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> wrote in message oups.com... > > wrote: >> I've always hated Pontiacs, but I must say that the Solstice looks a >> whole >> lot better than the 2nd and latest generation Miatas. > Looks don't matter in sports cars; weight does. Autoweek says Pontiac weighs 400 lbs. more than the NC, so that's like, what, 600 lbs. more than my NB? And those clunky, heavy, ugly 19-inch wheels? Gee, I can't WAIT to take wrestle an extra 120 lbs. of bling-bling through the twisties in Latigo Canyon on an early Sunday morning! REAL sport-ee! Can you say, Fee-Air-Oh? Add in that GM 'quality' and I'll give this Pontiac as long a model-run as the . . AZTEK!!! ARRRGGGHHH! It is sad. Amerikan car makers are pathetic. Steve McMahon Green JRSC '00LS |
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McMahon wrote:
>> > > Looks don't matter in sports cars; weight does. Autoweek says Pontiac > weighs 400 lbs. more than the NC, so that's like, what, 600 lbs. more than > my NB? And those clunky, heavy, ugly 19-inch wheels? Gee, I can't WAIT to > take wrestle an extra 120 lbs. of bling-bling through the twisties in Latigo > Canyon on an early Sunday morning! REAL sport-ee! Can you say, Fee-Air-Oh? > > Add in that GM 'quality' and I'll give this Pontiac as long a model-run as > the . . AZTEK!!! ARRRGGGHHH! > > It is sad. Amerikan car makers are pathetic. > > Steve McMahon > Green JRSC '00LS > > Actually, those heavy and ugly wheels are 18 inches, which is also ridiculous. Aside from that one small error, I don't think I could possibly agree with your post any more. People really blow off the weight issue, "it's only 400 pounds". That is like adding 2 heavy people, it is not exactly a non-issue. As far as plunking down $20K on a Pontiac, any Pontiac, that just isn't going to happen from this American buyer. Pat |
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McMahon wrote:
> > wrote in message > oups.com... > wrote: >> >>>I've always hated Pontiacs, but I must say that the Solstice looks a >>>whole >>>lot better than the 2nd and latest generation Miatas. >> > > Looks don't matter in sports cars; weight does. Autoweek says Pontiac > weighs 400 lbs. more than the NC, so that's like, what, 600 lbs. more than > my NB? And those clunky, heavy, ugly 19-inch wheels? Gee, I can't WAIT to > take wrestle an extra 120 lbs. of bling-bling through the twisties in Latigo > Canyon on an early Sunday morning! REAL sport-ee! Can you say, Fee-Air-Oh? > > Add in that GM 'quality' and I'll give this Pontiac as long a model-run as > the . . AZTEK!!! ARRRGGGHHH! > > It is sad. Amerikan car makers are pathetic. So I take it you didn't enjoy the test drive in the Solstice? Dana |
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"Dana H. Myers" > wrote in:
> McMahon wrote: >> > wrote in message >> oups.com... >> wrote: >>> >>>>I've always hated Pontiacs, but I must say that the Solstice looks a >>>>whole lot better than the 2nd and latest generation Miatas. >>> >> >> Looks don't matter in sports cars; weight does. Autoweek says Pontiac >> weighs 400 lbs. more than the NC, so that's like, what, 600 lbs. more >> than my NB? And those clunky, heavy, ugly 19-inch wheels? Gee, I >> can't WAIT to take wrestle an extra 120 lbs. of bling-bling through the >> twisties in Latigo Canyon on an early Sunday morning! REAL sport-ee! >> Can you say, Fee-Air-Oh? >> >> Add in that GM 'quality' and I'll give this Pontiac as long a model-run >> as the . . AZTEK!!! ARRRGGGHHH! >> >> It is sad. Amerikan car makers are pathetic. > > So I take it you didn't enjoy the test drive in the Solstice? You're cruel, you know that? <BSEG> |
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Dana H. Myers wrote:
> So I take it you didn't enjoy the test drive in the Solstice? > > Dana I am going to test-drive the new MX-5 eventually, but if Mazda had added another 400 pounds, increased the length of the car and put 18 inch wheels on it, I probably would not bother. I do not think that the Solstice can possibly match the MX-5 in the pure fun factor for sports car enthusiasts, especially those to whom weight, (especially unsprung weight), and wheelbase length is a primary concern. Unless those 18" wheels are forged, which I highly doubt, they probably weigh about 20 pounds each. The 17 inch wheels that they are putting on the new MX-5 are also too large, imo, and I wonder what they weigh as well, but I would replace those immediately with 15" or 16" SSR's if I were to buy a 2006 MX-5. My other primary concern with a test drive, other than being seen on a Pontiac sales lot, is that the car will break down during the test drive. Then I might have to walk back to my miata and drive home. ;-) Pat |
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pws > wrote: > I do not think that the Solstice can possibly match the MX-5 in the pure > fun factor for sports car enthusiasts... You might enjoy this London Times article by Jeremy Clarkson: http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/art...794313,00.html It's fashionable to write off JC's sarcasm as America bashing and attention-getting hype, but I think he makes some valid points. Remember he's writing about the U.S. market in general, not the likes of us, and he seems to understand it better than most Europeans. I've no doubt everything his detractors say about him is true...but that doesn' t make him wrong. Actually, I think he pretty much nailed the Mustang GT. Almost no owner will use half of such a car's capabilities on the street, so its limits simply don't matter in the real world. OTOH, if you buy one for how it makes you feel, you can't lose. JC got that part. --- Lanny Chambers '94C, St. Louis http://www.hummingbirds.net/alignment.html |
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"McMahon" > wrote in message
... > Looks don't matter in sports cars; weight does. Autoweek says Pontiac > weighs 400 lbs. more than the NC, so that's like, what, 600 lbs. more than > my NB? And those clunky, heavy, ugly 19-inch wheels? Gee, I can't WAIT > to take wrestle an extra 120 lbs. of bling-bling through the twisties in > Latigo Canyon on an early Sunday morning! REAL sport-ee! Can you say, > Fee-Air-Oh? > > Add in that GM 'quality' and I'll give this Pontiac as long a model-run as > the . . AZTEK!!! ARRRGGGHHH! > > It is sad. Amerikan car makers are pathetic. I was only comparing the looks of the Solstice and the latest Miata, not weight/performance. If we're talking about weight, well, the NA weighs less than both the NB and NC. And looks better to boot. My point is, the Solstice looks a lot better than the NC. We can complain all we want about the Solstice being a heavier GM product, but it doesn't make the NC any nicer looking. I mean, did they have to make the NC so ugly??? And looks do matter in a sports car. Would you put your money down on an ugly sports car? I'm passionate about Miatas. I have 2 NAs myself: a red on black, and a triple black. And I don't like the way things are going at Mazda. The newer Miatas are getting heavier and uglier. I was excited when I heard news of the NB. Took it for a test-drive, and I was disappointed. Didn't like the looks, and it didn't feel as connected to the road as my NA. When I saw the NC, I know that I will not buy another Miata. No, I'm not entertaining thoughts of getting a Solstice. However, I'm seriously considering moving on to a Lotus Elise. |
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>From 1973 until 1995 I owned two 1960 TR3s. I sold one of them for 10
times what I paid for it. I currently own 2 BMW motorcycles, a 1970 I purchased in 1971, and a 1973 I purchased in 1980. I had a Dodge van from 1972 until 2002 when I bought a new Pontiac. In 3 and 1/2 years the Pontiac never had a problem. When my grand daughter turned 16 last week I sold it to her. It's easy to overlook the shortcomings in the vehicles you love. My current Mazdaspeed has 17 inch wheels and those crappy low profile tires. But I enjoy the way it reminds me of my TR3s. I just hope I don't have to work on it as often. <G> |
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Lanny Chambers > wrote:
>In article >, > pws > wrote: > >> I do not think that the Solstice can possibly match the MX-5 in the pure >> fun factor for sports car enthusiasts... > >You might enjoy this London Times article by Jeremy Clarkson: >http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/art...794313,00.html > >It's fashionable to write off JC's sarcasm as America bashing and >attention-getting hype, but I think he makes some valid points. Remember >he's writing about the U.S. market in general, not the likes of us, and >he seems to understand it better than most Europeans. I've no doubt >everything his detractors say about him is true...but that doesn' t make >him wrong. > >Actually, I think he pretty much nailed the Mustang GT. Almost no owner >will use half of such a car's capabilities on the street, Would that be its capability of quickly cooking its brakes? Or its capability to take its own line through the corners with its live rear axle? > so its limits >simply don't matter in the real world. OTOH, if you buy one for how it >makes you feel, you can't lose. JC got that part. Almost. He did have an inkling that at home he would quickly discover he was confusing US 101 with this ugly oversized block of pig iron. Leon -- Leon van Dommelen Bozo, the White 96 Sebring Miata .) http://www.dommelen.net/miata EXIT THE INTERSTATES (Jamie Jensen) |
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> ugly??? And looks do matter in a sports car. Would you put your money down > on an ugly sports car? > If it weighed LESS than 2000 lbs., I wouldn't care if it looked like a lowered and sectioned . . . gulp . . . AZTEK! I'd buy it. Steve McMahon Green JRSC '00LS |
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