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Has anyone used non Michelin PAX tires and wheels on a Touring model?
I want to use regular snow tires on my Odyssey Touring. My
understanding is that if I use the appropriate sized steel wheels with the Honda OE pressure monitoring system and the same size tires as the Odyssey EX-L (235x65x16) that there will not be any incompatibility issues. I realize that I will lose the run-flat capability of the PAX system but are there any other issues? Like mounting? As far as I can tell the suspension including the hub is exactly the same on the Touring and EX-L. The only differences are the shocks and springs have different part numbers. Honda NA says they don't "recommend it" and will refuse to tell me if I can mount the other wheel (their refusal says that I can - in my opinion. If they had a real reason they would state it.) Michelin claims that I will void my vehicle warranty by doing so. My local dealership thinks that it is possible but they have never done this yet and they said there is NO warranty issues because I am not "modifying" the car. Some might say the Touring model was "tuned" for the PAX tire system - maybe so. But for 3.5 months I think it's better to have the snow tires than perfect tuning. |
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Has anyone used non Michelin PAX tires and wheels on a Touring model?
There is a PAX snow tire. It's basically not worth it to switch the
tires on the same wheels though - would need four new wheels. The Touring does have a few slight differences, Springs and sway bars as compared to the EX-L but it is the same wheel hub. But I have found a dealer in MA that is setting me up with some non-pax snows with the TPMS etc. Amazing that Honda NA would not help me out in the least. Michelin told me that I would void my cars warranty by putting non-pax tires on my car. Now how does the tire affect say ..... the emission system? Total BS. The whole PAX / non-PAX thing seems to be a religous war. I don't care either way. I only use snow tires 3 months a year. I can't justify the PAX cost. I have my own tire mounter and balancer and no it does not do PAX tires. Having said all of that - I don't dislike them. I driven on them for 5k so far and I kind of like them - just the cost that seems insane. On Oct 4, 5:52 pm, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" > wrote: > In article . com>, > > wrote: > > Some might say the Touring model was "tuned" for the PAX tire system - > > maybe so. But for 3.5 months I think it's better to have the snow > > tires than perfect tuning. > > Which is EXACTLY why I would refuse to buy an Odyssey Touring model in > the US. > > It's interesting to note that the Touring model in Canada does NOT have > PAX. Hmmmmm. > > PAX uber-believers will come up with all kinds of reasons why > PAX--safety, convenience, etc. "Oh, but I don't want my wife and kids > waiting at the side of the road for a truck driver." Jesus. What > wimps. At least she has a cell phone and can safely call for help. > > What these same fanboys refuse to acknowledge is that there is no one > single tire that's appropriate for all conditions, and that any > all-season tire is by definition a compromise. Further, there are > better makes/models of all-season tires than Michelin (I use Nokian WR). > But if I want the SAFEST tire, I will select a tire appropriate for > conditions. I want a WINTER tire in the winter. > > And as you can see, even now 3-4 years later, Honda doesn't have any > mechanism to offer than on the Touring model. Their implementation of > PAX doesn't allow for it (and for all I know, Michelin doesn't allow for > it). > > And PAX tires don't last particularly long and are very expensive to > replace. Unnecessarily expensive. > > You know, a few years ago Honda put forth a new strategy whereby every > available safety feature would be installed into every car, from the > lowliest Fit/Civic on up to the biggest Acura RL. No more would the > newest or more advanced safety features be limited to the higher dollar > cars. If a safety feature was available at the time the car was > designed, it would be included in that car. > > Safety for Everyone is the name of that campaign. > > Honda then came out with the Odyssey Touring model in the US, and it has > PAX tires standard--while PAX isn't even *available* on any other model. > > So to the PAX fanboys who insist it's a safety feature, I think we can > use Honda's own marketing strategies to say that PAX is not a safety > feature. If it were, it would be under the Safety for Everyone > umbrella, and all their cars would have PAX as standard equipment. > > So not only does Honda say it's not a safety feature, the fact is that > it's not. If I'm driving in New Hampshire in February on PAX tires, the > Odyssey LX with real winter tires is much safer than I am. > > PAX is ridiculous, and I expect that the next gen Odyssey--due out next > year, I believe, since the Accord it's based on is new this year--will > not see it as a standard feature, or possibly even an optional feature. > > Yeah, I want an Odyssey with an electric tailgate. But if I have to get > PAX to get that, which is the case now, I simply won't. Oh, but I > really want an electric tailgate. Hmmmmm, Toyota makes a perfectly good > minivan..... > > As much as I'm a big fan of Honda cars and vans, PAX turns me off to the > point where I'd go elsewhere just because of that. |
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