F1 sims? What is it with you guys?

There has been 1 **sim** of F1 since 1998 - GPL - and it's based on the
1967 season! The rest have no multi or only token mukti so therefore do not
qualify as a complete **sim**. For that matter, the same can be said for
anything but Nascar since 1998 - the mods for NR2003 being of sub standard
quality.

Question is, will there ever be a GTR or F1C with NR2003
multi???????????????????????????????????????????? Oh, and a replay format
done by someone with half a clue, like NR2003, would be nice too.


"Dave Henrie" > wrote in message
. 97.136...
> I was following a thread from a couple of different links and ended up
> on the Blackhole Motorsports forum. There one of the threads in the forum
> was asking about F1 cars in GTR. We need a good F1 sim...we need more F1.
> We need we need we need....
>
> Crimeny! We have had multiple F1 sims since 1996. Grand prix 1,2,3,4.
> F1rc, F12kx thru F1c. And yet they keep crying for more F1 sims. Granted
> the sport is changing and it's good to see updates...but MAN!
> We are finally seeing some decent rally sims like Richard Burns. We are
> finally seeing some improving Sportscar sims like GTR. We've got World
> racing on the horizon, rFactor and more, it seems the sim world has
> finally weened itself off of ONLY F1 or Nascar. So the MOMENT there is a
> slight pause in F1sims...we get the above....
>
> I watch F1, I'm a fan. It's not my favorite, but I rarely miss a race on
> the tube. I don't usually drive the F1 sims, but do use them for mods.
> I'm not ANTI F1, I'm just suprised that the one group that HAS been well
> represented for the last 6 or 7 years is the one group whining for more
> more more
>
> dave henrie
>
>

Dave Henrie Himself wrote:

>> was asking about F1 cars in GTR. We need a good F1 sim...we need more
>> F1.
>> We need we need we need....




Totally agree. It's about time we got a good F2 sim for a change.



Regards, Rudy
(GPLRank -24)

"Dave Henrie" > wrote in message
. 97.136...
> "David G Fisher" > wrote in news:V-ydnXuSDPJyEPLfRVn-
> :
>
>>
>> The thought of a new rFactor based F1 sim is likely going to be *the* sim
>> that I've been waiting eight years for.
>> --
>> David G Fisher
>>
>
> Fair enough, but here is another question that has been itching at me.
> rFactor is the latest ISI version. And everyone pretty much has been
> raving about this demo. What is it that separates rFactor from the
> previous ISI f12kx line of sims that gets everyone so hot? What is it
> that
> has caught everyone's attention. After all, you could say rFactor is just
> F1c++ or even Nascar Racing Sim+.
> Again, I've been using ISI sims for the last 5 years. I'm not knocking
> them now. I'm just curious why others who have been so adamnatly(sp?)
> against prior ISI releases, even F1c, are now all hot to trot over
> rFactor.
> I'm not singling you out David, just the whole group has latched on to
> rFactor when in the past this has been a very devided user's group.
>
> dave henrie

I've never got on with ISI sims - F1C always felt wrong to me, GTR was a
step in the right direction but the rear-end of ISI sims was always too
nervous - rFactor has cleared this up, and sliding is now not only possible
but it feels 'right' - and an improvement, as well, in the feel of the cars
at low speed - F1C was not right in that department, and GTR isn't either -
add to that the less edgy feel over the kerbs (F1C at Imola was a pig, and
just not 'realistic'), and rFactor looks to finally have caught up to
Papy-based sims in terms of feel.

But for me the key to the rfactor demo is the rear of the cars - they just
feel right now. GTR feels right, in the fast bits, but in the slow bits I am
not convinced at all - but maybe I'm just odd (!).

>"David G Fisher" > wrote
> I've always wanted to start a thread which asked why some of you are so
> obsessed with driving old, slow, sloppy handling cars, or slow, sports
> cars.


Well they are still racing cars. Give me anything in my hands and I'll want
to push it to the limit. It's a... different challenge. It's not the same
technical driving as Formula Ones, it's more of the gutsy feeling. Of
course, there's also the fact that F1 aren't forgiving. There's a reason
why there's so few drivers up there, it's the simple pyramid of skills and
talent. We're pretty much all (except a few) down there hoping for a car
that can match our skills.

Oh and for old cars, it's the nostalgia/historical effect. Like WW2 plane
sims versus Falcon 4.


But hey if I had the choice, of course I'll take the F1.







--
-- François Ménard <ymenard>
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Corporation - helping America into the New World...

On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 09:04:46 -0400, "David G Fisher" >
wrote:

>I've always wanted to start a thread which asked why some of you are so
>obsessed with driving old, slow, sloppy handling cars, or slow, sports cars.
>NASCAR cars? When you could drive an F1 car? Didn't bother though because I
>know it would just **** some of you off, and I know the answers anyway.

By the same token, why do people still listen to and appreciate the
music of the Beatles which was produced using antiquated, analog,
4-track reel-to-reel technology when their time could be better spent
listening to the music of mega-stars like Britney Spears or Jessica
Simpson which is produced using modern day, multi-million dollar
state-of-the-art digital technology?

"Zimmer" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 09:04:46 -0400, "David G Fisher" >
> wrote:
>
>>I've always wanted to start a thread which asked why some of you are so
>>obsessed with driving old, slow, sloppy handling cars, or slow, sports
>>cars.
>>NASCAR cars? When you could drive an F1 car? Didn't bother though because
>>I
>>know it would just **** some of you off, and I know the answers anyway.
>
> By the same token, why do people still listen to and appreciate the
> music of the Beatles which was produced using antiquated, analog,
> 4-track reel-to-reel technology when their time could be better spent
> listening to the music of mega-stars like Britney Spears or Jessica
> Simpson which is produced using modern day, multi-million dollar
> state-of-the-art digital technology?

LOL.

"Zimmer" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 09:04:46 -0400, "David G Fisher" >
> wrote:
>
> >I've always wanted to start a thread which asked why some of you are so
> >obsessed with driving old, slow, sloppy handling cars, or slow, sports
cars.
> >NASCAR cars? When you could drive an F1 car? Didn't bother though because
I
> >know it would just **** some of you off, and I know the answers anyway.
>
> By the same token, why do people still listen to and appreciate the
> music of the Beatles which was produced using antiquated, analog,
> 4-track reel-to-reel technology when their time could be better spent
> listening to the music of mega-stars like Britney Spears or Jessica
> Simpson which is produced using modern day, multi-million dollar
> state-of-the-art digital technology?

That doesn't make sense and you know it.

We are talking about mechanical performance of an automobile. Today's F1 car
destroys the other cars I mentioned.
--
David G Fisher

David G Fisher > wrote:
>
> I've always wanted to start a thread which asked why some of you
> are so obsessed with driving old, slow, sloppy handling cars, or
> slow, sports cars. NASCAR cars? When you could drive an F1 car?

'Cause I use simulators to refine my real world driving skills.
A hell of a lot cheaper to screw up virtually or wear tires in
a simulation. And there's less traffic, and fewer cops.

If I had the track-building ability, I'd make tracks for my
favorite Arizona runs, like highway 89 through the Prescott
National Forest.

jason

--
"Listen, my boy, I can't abide children. I know it's the style nowadays to
make a terrible fuss over you - but I don't go for it. As far as I'm concerned,
they're no good for anything but screaming, torturing people, breaking things,
smearing books with jam and tearing the pages." - The Neverending Story

Especially coming out of Clarkdale and letting it all hang out after you get
through Jerome going SW to Prescott Valley...

"Jason Steiner" > wrote in message
...
> David G Fisher > wrote:
>>
>> I've always wanted to start a thread which asked why some of you
>> are so obsessed with driving old, slow, sloppy handling cars, or
>> slow, sports cars. NASCAR cars? When you could drive an F1 car?
>
> 'Cause I use simulators to refine my real world driving skills.
> A hell of a lot cheaper to screw up virtually or wear tires in
> a simulation. And there's less traffic, and fewer cops.
>
> If I had the track-building ability, I'd make tracks for my
> favorite Arizona runs, like highway 89 through the Prescott
> National Forest.
>
> jason
>
> --
> "Listen, my boy, I can't abide children. I know it's the style nowadays to
> make a terrible fuss over you - but I don't go for it. As far as I'm
> concerned,
> they're no good for anything but screaming, torturing people, breaking
> things,
> smearing books with jam and tearing the pages." - The Neverending Story

2005-04-28, David G Fisher wrote:
>
> "Zimmer" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> By the same token, why do people still listen to and appreciate the
>> music of the Beatles which was produced using antiquated, analog,
>> 4-track reel-to-reel technology when their time could be better spent
>> listening to the music of mega-stars like Britney Spears or Jessica
>> Simpson which is produced using modern day, multi-million dollar
>> state-of-the-art digital technology?
>
> That doesn't make sense and you know it.
>
> We are talking about mechanical performance of an automobile. Today's F1 car
> destroys the other cars I mentioned.

So it makes perfect sense - Britney may be technically better than the
Beatles, but the Beatles "experience" is better than Britney (ok, unless
you're Justin ;-) ). F1 may destroy other cars, but it is not the same as
trying to get an old car to do what you want

all IMHO :-)

-peter