Speed Cameras + Red Light Cameras = Safer Roads

On Apr 29, 9:18*am, N8N > wrote:
> On Apr 29, 12:10*am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach
>
>
>
> Cruiser Philosopher" > wrote:
> > On Apr 28, 10:00*pm, Jessica Powell > wrote:
>
> > > On 4/28/2011 10:19 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > > Philosopher wrote:
> > > > On Apr 28, 8:19 am, Jessica > *wrote:
> > > >> On 4/27/2011 11:50 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > > >> Philosopher wrote:
> > > >>> On Apr 27, 9:47 pm, Jessica > * *wrote:
> > > >>>> On 4/26/2011 11:47 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > > >>>> Philosopher wrote:
> > > >>>>> On Apr 26, 10:04 pm, Jessica > * * *wrote:
> > > >>>>>> On 4/26/2011 1:23 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > > >>>>>> Philosopher wrote:
> > > >>>>>>> On Apr 26, 7:51 am, > * * * *wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 04:40:32 -0700 (PDT), "His Highness the
> > > >>>>>>>> TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> > > >>>>>>>> > * * * *wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>> On Apr 25, 10:49 pm, Jessica > * * * *wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>> On 4/25/2011 9:26 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> But I rather have you fight Red Light Cameras than Speed Cameras. They
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> are more susceptible to tricks and doesn't tame traffic that much.
>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> If you have one you must have the other... or nothing at all!
>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> False dichotomy fallacy.
>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Better
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> yet, remove the signs that were meant to catch drivers not protect the
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> people, as you claim to be the case.
>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> I made no such claim about signs.
>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Let me give you my thoughts:
>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Red Light Cameras are meaningless but profitable. Speed Cameras are
> > > >>>>>>>>> meaningful and profitable...
>
> > > >>>>>>>> Red Light Cameras are meaningful. *Anything that inhibits red light
> > > >>>>>>>> running is meaningful.
>
> > > >>>>>>> We still have the traffic going wild instead of being tamed. They race
> > > >>>>>>> and zigzag between lights
>
> > > >>>>>> Even scameras don't take pictures between lights so not sure what you
> > > >>>>>> are even talking about.
>
> > > >>>>> I'm talking about the SPEED CAMERAS doing the job between lights and
> > > >>>>> doing a better job at TAMING TRAFFIC. That is the goal, right?
>
> > > >>>> They do a better job of sending scam and nearly unbeatable phony
> > > >>>> tickets, forcing innocent law abiding drivers to pay up. *If the goal is
> > > >>>> a racket style scheme, they do a fantastic job.
>
> > > >>> That sounds interesting. Another conspiracy theory!
>
> > > >>> So who's behind, Big Brother, contractors, who else? Is the Jewish
> > > >>> lawyer in it? Maybe he's promoting this campaign against cameras.
>
> > > >> More straw man fallacy.
>
> > > > Listen, listen, take your pick...
>
> > > False dichotomy fallacy.
>
> > Well, someone must be behind the corruption of the cameras, who is it?
> > Or are you blaming the technology now?
>
> The manufacturers of the cameras, primarily, and also those that buy
> their sales pitch either without applying critical thinking skills and/
> or knowing what's going on but giving in to the lure of revenue at the
> expense of safety.

Do we have the technology to limit speed to the posted speed? Perhaps
we can retire the cameras then.

On Apr 29, 9:31*am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
Philosopher" > wrote:
> On Apr 29, 9:18*am, N8N > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 29, 12:10*am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach
>
> > Cruiser Philosopher" > wrote:
> > > On Apr 28, 10:00*pm, Jessica Powell > wrote:
>
> > > > On 4/28/2011 10:19 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > > > Philosopher wrote:
> > > > > On Apr 28, 8:19 am, Jessica > *wrote:
> > > > >> On 4/27/2011 11:50 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > > > >> Philosopher wrote:
> > > > >>> On Apr 27, 9:47 pm, Jessica > * *wrote:
> > > > >>>> On 4/26/2011 11:47 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > > > >>>> Philosopher wrote:
> > > > >>>>> On Apr 26, 10:04 pm, Jessica > * * *wrote:
> > > > >>>>>> On 4/26/2011 1:23 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > > > >>>>>> Philosopher wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>> On Apr 26, 7:51 am, > * * * *wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 04:40:32 -0700 (PDT), "His Highness the
> > > > >>>>>>>> TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> > > > >>>>>>>> > * * * *wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>> On Apr 25, 10:49 pm, Jessica > * * * *wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> On 4/25/2011 9:26 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> But I rather have you fight Red Light Cameras than Speed Cameras. They
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> are more susceptible to tricks and doesn't tame traffic that much.
>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> If you have one you must have the other... or nothing at all!
>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> False dichotomy fallacy.
>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Better
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> yet, remove the signs that were meant to catch drivers not protect the
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> people, as you claim to be the case.
>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> I made no such claim about signs.
>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Let me give you my thoughts:
>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Red Light Cameras are meaningless but profitable. Speed Cameras are
> > > > >>>>>>>>> meaningful and profitable...
>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Red Light Cameras are meaningful. *Anything that inhibits red light
> > > > >>>>>>>> running is meaningful.
>
> > > > >>>>>>> We still have the traffic going wild instead of being tamed.. They race
> > > > >>>>>>> and zigzag between lights
>
> > > > >>>>>> Even scameras don't take pictures between lights so not sure what you
> > > > >>>>>> are even talking about.
>
> > > > >>>>> I'm talking about the SPEED CAMERAS doing the job between lights and
> > > > >>>>> doing a better job at TAMING TRAFFIC. That is the goal, right?
>
> > > > >>>> They do a better job of sending scam and nearly unbeatable phony
> > > > >>>> tickets, forcing innocent law abiding drivers to pay up. *If the goal is
> > > > >>>> a racket style scheme, they do a fantastic job.
>
> > > > >>> That sounds interesting. Another conspiracy theory!
>
> > > > >>> So who's behind, Big Brother, contractors, who else? Is the Jewish
> > > > >>> lawyer in it? Maybe he's promoting this campaign against cameras.
>
> > > > >> More straw man fallacy.
>
> > > > > Listen, listen, take your pick...
>
> > > > False dichotomy fallacy.
>
> > > Well, someone must be behind the corruption of the cameras, who is it?
> > > Or are you blaming the technology now?
>
> > The manufacturers of the cameras, primarily, and also those that buy
> > their sales pitch either without applying critical thinking skills and/
> > or knowing what's going on but giving in to the lure of revenue at the
> > expense of safety.
>
> Do we have the technology to limit speed to the posted speed? Perhaps
> we can retire the cameras then.

Completely undesirable, as you would understand if you've ever driven
on a two lane road that allows passing.

nate

On Apr 29, 9:37*am, N8N > wrote:
> On Apr 29, 9:31*am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
>
>
> Philosopher" > wrote:
> > On Apr 29, 9:18*am, N8N > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 29, 12:10*am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach
>
> > > Cruiser Philosopher" > wrote:
> > > > On Apr 28, 10:00*pm, Jessica Powell > wrote:
>
> > > > > On 4/28/2011 10:19 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > > > > Philosopher wrote:
> > > > > > On Apr 28, 8:19 am, Jessica > *wrote:
> > > > > >> On 4/27/2011 11:50 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > > > > >> Philosopher wrote:
> > > > > >>> On Apr 27, 9:47 pm, Jessica > * *wrote:
> > > > > >>>> On 4/26/2011 11:47 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > > > > >>>> Philosopher wrote:
> > > > > >>>>> On Apr 26, 10:04 pm, Jessica > * * *wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>> On 4/26/2011 1:23 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > > > > >>>>>> Philosopher wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>> On Apr 26, 7:51 am, > * * * *wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 04:40:32 -0700 (PDT), "His Highness the
> > > > > >>>>>>>> TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> > * * * *wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> On Apr 25, 10:49 pm, Jessica > * * * *wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On 4/25/2011 9:26 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> But I rather have you fight Red Light Cameras than Speed Cameras. They
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> are more susceptible to tricks and doesn't tame traffic that much.
>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> If you have one you must have the other... or nothing at all!
>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> False dichotomy fallacy.
>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Better
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> yet, remove the signs that were meant to catch drivers not protect the
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> people, as you claim to be the case.
>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I made no such claim about signs.
>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Let me give you my thoughts:
>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Red Light Cameras are meaningless but profitable. Speed Cameras are
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> meaningful and profitable...
>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Red Light Cameras are meaningful. *Anything that inhibits red light
> > > > > >>>>>>>> running is meaningful.
>
> > > > > >>>>>>> We still have the traffic going wild instead of being tamed. They race
> > > > > >>>>>>> and zigzag between lights
>
> > > > > >>>>>> Even scameras don't take pictures between lights so not sure what you
> > > > > >>>>>> are even talking about.
>
> > > > > >>>>> I'm talking about the SPEED CAMERAS doing the job between lights and
> > > > > >>>>> doing a better job at TAMING TRAFFIC. That is the goal, right?
>
> > > > > >>>> They do a better job of sending scam and nearly unbeatable phony
> > > > > >>>> tickets, forcing innocent law abiding drivers to pay up. *If the goal is
> > > > > >>>> a racket style scheme, they do a fantastic job.
>
> > > > > >>> That sounds interesting. Another conspiracy theory!
>
> > > > > >>> So who's behind, Big Brother, contractors, who else? Is the Jewish
> > > > > >>> lawyer in it? Maybe he's promoting this campaign against cameras.
>
> > > > > >> More straw man fallacy.
>
> > > > > > Listen, listen, take your pick...
>
> > > > > False dichotomy fallacy.
>
> > > > Well, someone must be behind the corruption of the cameras, who is it?
> > > > Or are you blaming the technology now?
>
> > > The manufacturers of the cameras, primarily, and also those that buy
> > > their sales pitch either without applying critical thinking skills and/
> > > or knowing what's going on but giving in to the lure of revenue at the
> > > expense of safety.
>
> > Do we have the technology to limit speed to the posted speed? Perhaps
> > we can retire the cameras then.
>
> Completely undesirable, as you would understand if you've ever driven
> on a two lane road that allows passing.

The priority is TAMING TRAFFIC... whatever it takes. We have to stop
the carnage and road rage.

On Apr 29, 9:42*am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
Philosopher" > wrote:
> On Apr 29, 9:37*am, N8N > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 29, 9:31*am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > Philosopher" > wrote:
> > > On Apr 29, 9:18*am, N8N > wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 29, 12:10*am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach
>
> > > > Cruiser Philosopher" > wrote:
> > > > > On Apr 28, 10:00*pm, Jessica Powell > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On 4/28/2011 10:19 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > > > > > Philosopher wrote:
> > > > > > > On Apr 28, 8:19 am, Jessica > *wrote:
> > > > > > >> On 4/27/2011 11:50 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > > > > > >> Philosopher wrote:
> > > > > > >>> On Apr 27, 9:47 pm, Jessica > * *wrote:
> > > > > > >>>> On 4/26/2011 11:47 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > > > > > >>>> Philosopher wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>> On Apr 26, 10:04 pm, Jessica > * * *wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>> On 4/26/2011 1:23 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > > > > > >>>>>> Philosopher wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>> On Apr 26, 7:51 am, > * * * *wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 04:40:32 -0700 (PDT), "His Highness the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> > * * * *wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> On Apr 25, 10:49 pm, Jessica > * * * *wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On 4/25/2011 9:26 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> But I rather have you fight Red Light Cameras than Speed Cameras. They
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> are more susceptible to tricks and doesn't tame traffic that much.
>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> If you have one you must have the other... or nothing at all!
>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> False dichotomy fallacy.
>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Better
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> yet, remove the signs that were meant to catch drivers not protect the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> people, as you claim to be the case.
>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I made no such claim about signs.
>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Let me give you my thoughts:
>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Red Light Cameras are meaningless but profitable. Speed Cameras are
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> meaningful and profitable...
>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Red Light Cameras are meaningful. *Anything that inhibits red light
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> running is meaningful.
>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> We still have the traffic going wild instead of being tamed. They race
> > > > > > >>>>>>> and zigzag between lights
>
> > > > > > >>>>>> Even scameras don't take pictures between lights so not sure what you
> > > > > > >>>>>> are even talking about.
>
> > > > > > >>>>> I'm talking about the SPEED CAMERAS doing the job between lights and
> > > > > > >>>>> doing a better job at TAMING TRAFFIC. That is the goal, right?
>
> > > > > > >>>> They do a better job of sending scam and nearly unbeatable phony
> > > > > > >>>> tickets, forcing innocent law abiding drivers to pay up. *If the goal is
> > > > > > >>>> a racket style scheme, they do a fantastic job.
>
> > > > > > >>> That sounds interesting. Another conspiracy theory!
>
> > > > > > >>> So who's behind, Big Brother, contractors, who else? Is the Jewish
> > > > > > >>> lawyer in it? Maybe he's promoting this campaign against cameras.
>
> > > > > > >> More straw man fallacy.
>
> > > > > > > Listen, listen, take your pick...
>
> > > > > > False dichotomy fallacy.
>
> > > > > Well, someone must be behind the corruption of the cameras, who is it?
> > > > > Or are you blaming the technology now?
>
> > > > The manufacturers of the cameras, primarily, and also those that buy
> > > > their sales pitch either without applying critical thinking skills and/
> > > > or knowing what's going on but giving in to the lure of revenue at the
> > > > expense of safety.
>
> > > Do we have the technology to limit speed to the posted speed? Perhaps
> > > we can retire the cameras then.
>
> > Completely undesirable, as you would understand if you've ever driven
> > on a two lane road that allows passing.
>
> The priority is TAMING TRAFFIC... whatever it takes. We have to stop
> the carnage and road rage.

You are implying that aggressive, angry, raging drivers are a
widespread problem. I believe that that is a media-generated
fallacy. However, stupid, incompetent drivers I see every day (and
may very easily contribute to normal people *becoming* angry drivers.)

nate

On Apr 29, 10:06*am, N8N > wrote:
> On Apr 29, 9:42*am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
>
>
> Philosopher" > wrote:
> > On Apr 29, 9:37*am, N8N > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 29, 9:31*am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > > Philosopher" > wrote:
> > > > On Apr 29, 9:18*am, N8N > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Apr 29, 12:10*am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach
>
> > > > > Cruiser Philosopher" > wrote:
> > > > > > On Apr 28, 10:00*pm, Jessica Powell > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On 4/28/2011 10:19 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > > > > > > Philosopher wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Apr 28, 8:19 am, Jessica > *wrote:
> > > > > > > >> On 4/27/2011 11:50 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > > > > > > >> Philosopher wrote:
> > > > > > > >>> On Apr 27, 9:47 pm, Jessica > * *wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>> On 4/26/2011 11:47 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > > > > > > >>>> Philosopher wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>> On Apr 26, 10:04 pm, Jessica > * * *wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>> On 4/26/2011 1:23 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > > > > > > >>>>>> Philosopher wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> On Apr 26, 7:51 am, > * * * *wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 04:40:32 -0700 (PDT), "His Highness the
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > * * * *wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> On Apr 25, 10:49 pm, Jessica > * * * *wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On 4/25/2011 9:26 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> But I rather have you fight Red Light Cameras than Speed Cameras. They
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> are more susceptible to tricks and doesn't tame traffic that much.
>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> If you have one you must have the other... or nothing at all!
>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> False dichotomy fallacy.
>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Better
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> yet, remove the signs that were meant to catch drivers not protect the
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> people, as you claim to be the case.
>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I made no such claim about signs.
>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Let me give you my thoughts:
>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Red Light Cameras are meaningless but profitable. Speed Cameras are
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> meaningful and profitable...
>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Red Light Cameras are meaningful. *Anything that inhibits red light
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> running is meaningful.
>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> We still have the traffic going wild instead of being tamed. They race
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> and zigzag between lights
>
> > > > > > > >>>>>> Even scameras don't take pictures between lights so not sure what you
> > > > > > > >>>>>> are even talking about.
>
> > > > > > > >>>>> I'm talking about the SPEED CAMERAS doing the job between lights and
> > > > > > > >>>>> doing a better job at TAMING TRAFFIC. That is the goal, right?
>
> > > > > > > >>>> They do a better job of sending scam and nearly unbeatable phony
> > > > > > > >>>> tickets, forcing innocent law abiding drivers to pay up. *If the goal is
> > > > > > > >>>> a racket style scheme, they do a fantastic job.
>
> > > > > > > >>> That sounds interesting. Another conspiracy theory!
>
> > > > > > > >>> So who's behind, Big Brother, contractors, who else? Is the Jewish
> > > > > > > >>> lawyer in it? Maybe he's promoting this campaign against cameras.
>
> > > > > > > >> More straw man fallacy.
>
> > > > > > > > Listen, listen, take your pick...
>
> > > > > > > False dichotomy fallacy.
>
> > > > > > Well, someone must be behind the corruption of the cameras, who is it?
> > > > > > Or are you blaming the technology now?
>
> > > > > The manufacturers of the cameras, primarily, and also those that buy
> > > > > their sales pitch either without applying critical thinking skills and/
> > > > > or knowing what's going on but giving in to the lure of revenue at the
> > > > > expense of safety.
>
> > > > Do we have the technology to limit speed to the posted speed? Perhaps
> > > > we can retire the cameras then.
>
> > > Completely undesirable, as you would understand if you've ever driven
> > > on a two lane road that allows passing.
>
> > The priority is TAMING TRAFFIC... whatever it takes. We have to stop
> > the carnage and road rage.
>
> You are implying that aggressive, angry, raging drivers are a
> widespread problem. *I believe that that is a media-generated
> fallacy. *However, stupid, incompetent drivers I see every day (and
> may very easily contribute to normal people *becoming* angry drivers.)
>
> nate

The fact that *everybody* has to drive in America doesn't help the
quality of drivers out there. Mass production shouldn't apply to
issuing a LICENSE TO KILL.

But that's only where the problem begins. Cell phones and lack of lane
discipline --passing on the outer lane-- compound the problem and make
driving very grinding and dangerous.

The British are really advanced in this cat and mouse game, where the
mouse is the driver and the cat is the authorities that must be one
step ahead in the game.

This is a neat solution --almost perfect-- for catching predatory
drivers:

http://www.speedcam.co.uk/gatso6.htm

Notice how they are undetectable by RADAR, can be set up to monitor
SPEED and can be complemented with FAKE cameras so the predator never
knows where the trap is. The latter is much better than placing those
empty police cars in parking lots to act as scarecrows.

On Apr 29, 11:04*am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach
Cruiser Philosopher" > wrote:
> The British are really advanced in this cat and mouse game, where the
> mouse is the driver and the cat is the authorities that must be one
> step ahead in the game.
>
> This is a neat solution --almost perfect-- for catching predatory
> drivers:
>
> http://www.speedcam.co.uk/gatso6.htm
>
> Notice how they are undetectable by RADAR, can be set up to monitor
> SPEED and can be complemented with FAKE cameras so the predator never
> knows where the trap is. The latter is much better than placing those
> empty police cars in parking lots to act as scarecrows.

you imply that exceeding the posted speed limit is a widespread
problem. I agree that it is widespread, I disagree that it is a
problem. Most incidents are not the result of someone exceeding the
posted speed limit, but they are the result of the driver doing
something stupid (that isn't caught by the camera.)

nate

On Apr 29, 3:00*pm, N8N > wrote:
>
> you imply that exceeding the posted speed limit is a widespread
> problem. *I agree that it is widespread, I disagree that it is a
> problem.

Your speeding tickets weren't problems...?

Have you never sat waiting to enter a roadway and waited for speeding
traffic?

Have you never waited to turn R upstream of a red signal as speeding
traffic approached, where you could have got out had they not been
speeding...and watched them get nothing for their speeding, except to
make you wait for the green, and then all the speeders to get out of
your way...?

Not a problem, a'cause... you think it's a rare occurrence...?

Oh, I forgot. If you're speeding you're staying out of motorist's
ways, you can't get in one.

> Most incidents are not the result of someone exceeding the
> posted speed limit, but they are the result of the driver doing
> something stupid (that isn't caught by the camera.)

False premise. Single cause fallacy.

(Watch this.)
-----

- gpsman

In article
>,
gpsman > wrote:

> On Apr 29, 3:00*pm, N8N > wrote:
> >
> > you imply that exceeding the posted speed limit is a widespread
> > problem. *I agree that it is widespread, I disagree that it is a
> > problem.
>
> Your speeding tickets weren't problems...?
>
> Have you never sat waiting to enter a roadway and waited for speeding
> traffic?

Nope. Not ever where the problem would have been ameliorated by them not
exceeding the speed limit.

>
> Have you never waited to turn R upstream of a red signal as speeding
> traffic approached, where you could have got out had they not been
> speeding...and watched them get nothing for their speeding, except to
> make you wait for the green, and then all the speeders to get out of
> your way...?

That one's really false. If they'd not been speeding, you could just
have easily encountered a blockage from a different part of the traffic
stream.

>
> Not a problem, a'cause... you think it's a rare occurrence...?
>
> Oh, I forgot. If you're speeding you're staying out of motorist's
> ways, you can't get in one.
>
> > Most incidents are not the result of someone exceeding the
> > posted speed limit, but they are the result of the driver doing
> > something stupid (that isn't caught by the camera.)
>
> False premise. Single cause fallacy.

LOL

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Vancouver, British Columbia
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I like to play a little game with the mouse, I mean the drivers. It's
sort of a guessing game...

We put as many fake yellow boxes as real ones and we keep 'em
guessing.

Look at the decoys he

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