Ford Fusion reverse gear

On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:33:21 -0500, HLS wrote:

>
> "Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒ*ク" > wrote in message
> news >
>>
>> They're too sporadic. If you get a good one, you really have a good car.
>> But if you get a bad one...
>
>
> I have owned two Passats, and they were both darn good, but I have had
> friends who owned
> them (Passats and the new Beetle) and they were a PITA. It IS sporadic.
>
> I wrote to the CEO of VWUSA a couple of years ago and entreated him to
> become involved
> to improve the quality and to support the client. I, not unexpectedly, got
> a reply that he
> was deeply involved, dedicated to improving quality, etc etc.
>
> Action talks, bull**** walks


That's why VW had to extend warraties long before Hyundai did...

"Hachiroku ????" > wrote in message
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> On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:47:09 -0500, Dioclese wrote:
>
>> "Hachiroku ????" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 13:43:35 -0500, Toyota MDT in MO wrote:
>>>
>>>> Alan Mac Farlane wrote:
>>>>> Jim Warman wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> There are no noises from the transmission. The car has only 21,000
>>>>> miles on it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> take it back to the factory shop ... don't think it will cost you a
>>>>> thing ... warrenty thingy as it must be a new car even if it is a 2006
>>>>> would think.
>>>>>
>>>>> wow ... what a buy kinda sort of thing.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3 years old and only what ... 500 miles a month roadwork so far.
>>>>>
>>>>> on the face of it ... you got a good deal and it is worth keeping
>>>>> around perhaps.
>>>>>
>>>>> sumbuddie just making wild guess now
>>>>>
>>>>> :?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> ? indeed. Did your post have a point?
>>>
>>> I *THINK* he was telling him to take it do the dealer and try to press
>>> for
>>> warranty repair. I know Toyota now has 3 years, 36,000 miles, and if
>>> they
>>> have a warranty like that on good cars, Ford must cover them for life...
>>>
>>>
>>> *STOP THE FLAMES!!!* I like Fords. Except Focuses. Cool car with the
>>> reliablitiy of a Volkswagen...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Guess I really screwed up then. In '92, I bought a 1988 VW Fox GL wagon.
>> 1.8L/4 speed manual. I put alot of money into it, but nowhere near
>> matchng
>> new car payments of any vehicle for a few years. 35 city/highway
>> average.
>> Clutch assembly replaced twice, tranny once, same engine in its lifetime.
>> Was reliable till last year. Car pulled left from opposing lane in front
>> of
>> me. VW was beyond economical repair, beyond total insurance
>> reimbursement.
>> Mileage was over 350K.
>
> Hmmm....same motor as my Jetta.
> Fox wagon was a cool car. And I know of some Rabbit diesel 'trucks' that
> have gone >500,000 miles!!
>
> They're too sporadic. If you get a good one, you really have a good car.
> But if you get a bad one...
>

One can say that about any make/model car. They're called "lemons". My
personal experience with VWs is before the mid-90s, they were by and large
dependable at the very least.

> Too bad they can't get a better hold of their quality control. VW makes
> some very cool cars.
>

VW quality control went when they went fishing for the bigger market almost
a decade ago
..
>>
>> Took insurance monies and my some of my own savings to put monies down
>> on a 2008 Focus 5 spd manual, no frills whatsoever. 2 year extended
>> warranty as well. All last year. Took delivery on Aug. 1st. Had
>> dealer change oil/filter 3 times since. That's all the maintenance
>> done. Approx. 6700 miles to date. Should I look for 350K miles again?
>
>
> I wouldn't hold my breath...
>
>

Maybe I won't have to. The rate I'm going, it'll be 12 years until I hit
100K miles. By then, my detached garage roof will be covered with solar
cells and the garage will house a Ford electric plug-in.
--
Dave

Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒ*ク wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 07:49:09 -0700, Alan Mac Farlane wrote:
>
>> Toyota MDT in MO wrote:
>>
>>>> :?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> ? indeed. Did your post have a point?
>>>
>> It is on Brother Pat Robertson Speartip of God out getting all his 700
>> Clubbers first, and all US heathens, atheists, Constitutionalists,
>> slanti eyed alein devils, condom lovers, homosexual lovers, stem cell
>> lovers, and medical marijuana lovers later ... are all going to hell as
>> Jesus is going to kill them and cast them to the winds with all his
>> enemies like they were Dutch Jews. Well, after he gets all the 700
>> Clubbers first ... when Pat Robertson finally gets squewered by His
>> Spearchucking God ... get a helmet, duck like the donald, run for your
>> lives.
>>
>> The point will get you in the end ... just be patient.
>>
>> sumbuddie saw this on tee vee
>>
>> :?
>
> Dude! Loosen the tin-foil hat!!!
>
>
>

'
what ... to much tee vee reception going on here ...

Toyota MDT in MO wrote:
> Alan Mac Farlane wrote:
>> Toyota MDT in MO wrote:
>>
>>>> :?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> ? indeed. Did your post have a point?
>>>
>>
>> It is on Brother Pat Robertson Speartip of God out getting all his 700
>> Clubbers first, and all US heathens, atheists, Constitutionalists,
>> slanti eyed alein devils, condom lovers, homosexual lovers, stem cell
>> lovers, and medical marijuana lovers later ... are all going to hell
>> as Jesus is going to kill them and cast them to the winds with all his
>> enemies like they were Dutch Jews. Well, after he gets all the 700
>> Clubbers first ... when Pat Robertson finally gets squewered by His
>> Spearchucking God ... get a helmet, duck like the donald, run for your
>> lives.
>>
>> The point will get you in the end ... just be patient.
>>
>> sumbuddie saw this on tee vee
>>
>> :?
> So the answer was 'no', you didn't have a point. I won't bother reading
> your crap anymore. Thanks!
>


see ... you missing the point again ... be patient ...

HLS > wrote:
>
>I have owned two Passats, and they were both darn good, but I have had
>friends who owned
>them (Passats and the new Beetle) and they were a PITA. It IS sporadic.

The Passat has some very good points, but it is clearly not designed with
any thought to repair. To do even routine work in the engine compartment
requires extensive dissasembly.

>I wrote to the CEO of VWUSA a couple of years ago and entreated him to
>become involved
>to improve the quality and to support the client. I, not unexpectedly, got
>a reply that he
>was deeply involved, dedicated to improving quality, etc etc.

The problem is that his notion of quality is probably not the same as my
notion of quality. I can live with readily-repaired defects that he might
not consider acceptable, and I'm extremely frustrated by the sort of repair
procedures that he probably considers reasonable.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

"Scott Dorsey" > wrote in message
...

> The problem is that his notion of quality is probably not the same as my
> notion of quality. I can live with readily-repaired defects that he might
> not consider acceptable, and I'm extremely frustrated by the sort of
> repair
> procedures that he probably considers reasonable.
> --scott
> --
> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Some of the biggest complaints I heard about were electrical system
problems. If there
were one focusable electrical unit problem, that might be more easily fixed.
When the
problem is spread over a "system", you may never get everything fixed and
working
correctly.

It is, IMO, a matter of taking responsibility for citruslike product...maybe
not total lemons
approaching them. GM never did very well at this either, until their ox was
in the ditch.

HLS > wrote:
>Some of the biggest complaints I heard about were electrical system
>problems. If there
>were one focusable electrical unit problem, that might be more easily fixed.
>When the
>problem is spread over a "system", you may never get everything fixed and
>working
>correctly.

This is increasingly becoming a problem for ALL car manufacturers. The
complexity of the electrical systems is increasing exponentially, and the
knowledge of the dealer mechanics is not increasing at the same rate. On
top of that, most of this stuff is designed to be replaced in large expensive
modules, in order to make troubleshooting easier. This means even minor
repairs become expensive, and even worse it means that board-swapping
"changineers" can very rapidly turn a minor problem into an enormous expense.

>It is, IMO, a matter of taking responsibility for citruslike product...maybe
>not total lemons
>approaching them. GM never did very well at this either, until their ox was
>in the ditch.

Hell, look at Mercedes...... and don't even get me started on the newer
BMW electronics...
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:24:23 -0700, Joe Brophy wrote:

> On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:48:38 -0400, Hachiroku ????
> > wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 07:49:09 -0700, Alan Mac Farlane wrote:
>>
>>> Toyota MDT in MO wrote:
>>>
>>>>> :?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> ? indeed. Did your post have a point?
>>>>
>>>
>>> It is on Brother Pat Robertson Speartip of God out getting all his 700
>>> Clubbers first, and all US heathens, atheists, Constitutionalists,
>>> slanti eyed alein devils, condom lovers, homosexual lovers, stem cell
>>> lovers, and medical marijuana lovers later ... are all going to hell as
>>> Jesus is going to kill them and cast them to the winds with all his
>>> enemies like they were Dutch Jews. Well, after he gets all the 700
>>> Clubbers first ... when Pat Robertson finally gets squewered by His
>>> Spearchucking God ... get a helmet, duck like the donald, run for your
>>> lives.
>>>
>>> The point will get you in the end ... just be patient.
>>>
>>> sumbuddie saw this on tee vee
>>>
>>> :?
>>
>>Dude! Loosen the tin-foil hat!!!
>>
>>
> In 1980 while living in San Francisco I bought a used 1964
> bug for 300$. Brakes were so bad you had to reef on the
> parking brake handle to get extra stopping pressure....
>
> The car was stolen 5 times, being recovered each time with
> enough gas to make it home. It was discovered twice on a
> local golf course "stuck" in a sand trap with all the
> exterior lights broken out. I was able to get it unstuck
> after about 10 minutes of trying.
>
> Had the usual problems of bugs that vintage, gas tank
> rusting out at the point on the bottom where the gas line
> connected forming a pocket that would collect water, the 6v
> fuse block rivets corroded causing intermittent power
> losses. Otherwise it was dependable albeit ugly
> transportation.
>
> Sold it two years later after almost daily driving, for
> 300$, never even changed the oil and told the buyer as such,
> bought it anyway.
>
> Only complaint was I ran out of gas on my wedding day, gas
> gauge never worked however until that time the stick I used
> to check gas level served well except that day.
>
> In 20/20 hindsight it is clear now that I should have kept
> the car and sold the wife. True story. Best regards Joe.

Are you a friend of Alan's?

On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 05:30:59 -0500, Dioclese wrote:

>> Hmmm....same motor as my Jetta.
>> Fox wagon was a cool car. And I know of some Rabbit diesel 'trucks' that
>> have gone >500,000 miles!!
>>
>> They're too sporadic. If you get a good one, you really have a good car.
>> But if you get a bad one...
>>
>
> One can say that about any make/model car. They're called "lemons". My
> personal experience with VWs is before the mid-90s, they were by and large
> dependable at the very least.

I was talking to a guy I know today who bought a GMC p/u from me when I
used to sell used cars. 100,000 miles and one tranny later, the thing is
still going. He loads about 3 tons of scrap in it regularly to bring to
the recycler's.

I said to him, pointing to my Scion, "Toyota occasionally makes a lemon,
GM ocassionally makes a good one..."

Generalization, but GM would be in better shape if their paradigm more
closely matched Toyota's...


>
>> Too bad they can't get a better hold of their quality control. VW makes
>> some very cool cars.
>>
>
> VW quality control went when they went fishing for the bigger market almost
> a decade ago

Actually, the Rabbit was kind of hit or miss, too. For every 3 good ones
there was one really horrible copy.

> .
>>>
>>> Took insurance monies and my some of my own savings to put monies down
>>> on a 2008 Focus 5 spd manual, no frills whatsoever. 2 year extended
>>> warranty as well. All last year. Took delivery on Aug. 1st. Had
>>> dealer change oil/filter 3 times since. That's all the maintenance
>>> done. Approx. 6700 miles to date. Should I look for 350K miles again?
>>
>>
>> I wouldn't hold my breath...
>>
>>
>
> Maybe I won't have to. The rate I'm going, it'll be 12 years until I hit
> 100K miles. By then, my detached garage roof will be covered with solar
> cells and the garage will house a Ford electric plug-in.
> --


My tC is a 2005 with 26,000 miles. I'll get there sooner, but not by much...

>
> According to the WSM, the G5M-5 trans has a synchronized reverse..... Can
> the shift lever be moved into the reverse gear position? Are there any
> abnormal noises? If so, when do they occur? How many miles are on the car?
>

I've opened two G5M's, and see no evidence to support synchronized
reverse. Further proof is when you try to go into reverse immediately
after pressing the clutch without letting the input shaft spin down.
It grinds. Both of my G5M's did it. The FSM I have says it's got a
sync'd reverse. I don't believe it. If you look at how the linkage
works, there is a straight-cut gear that flips upward to link the
input and output shafts and reverse the direction of the output in the
process of doing so. There is no syncronizer on the reverse fork that
I can see.

As far as the symptom that the OP is mentioning, it sounds like
something went casters-up in the linkage inside the box. Might be
easier to find a good used junkyard transaxle and put that into the
car and fix the one you have as time permits. At only 30k the bearings
and syncronizers -should- be in perfect shape, so the repair might be
as simple as replacing one or two hard parts and resealing the case
halves. The fact that the forward gears are still working is a very
good sign. The G5M isn't terribly hard to take apart, I did mine with
a a few sockets and a hammer and punch to remove the roll pin from the
5th gear fork. Before you get too far into the repair just remember
that the differential side gears in the G5M's I've worked on are not
self-supporting. You -must- put a PVC pipe or wooden dowel in the hole
for the CV axle once you pull the first axle out, or you will get to
re-align the differential gears. Ask me how I know...I got a 2,000
mile mint used example shipped to me, sans supports for the
differential gears, and had to open the box to fix it.

Chris