Who wants a 2004 Miata Speed?

Its a Mazdaspeed - 04 red, red rear view mirror cover, Racing hart
17" wheels, front bumper fascia &, rear wing only offered in 04
Mazdaspeeds, 05 still had the 17" wheels, but of a different design.

On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 18:48:19 -0700, (BRUCE HASKIN)
wrote:

>Well wait now ! I will go along with the "no tilt", but is this a
>"Mazdaspeed" ie Turbo ? Or is it a Mazda Speed equiped Mazda ? There is
>a big differance in the two cars. ???????
>
> Bruce Bing '03 LS

On Apr 5, 6:07 am, M. Cantera >
wrote:
> I like the Tilt, steering wheel controls, and cruise control options
> described, as they were not offered in the Mazdaspeed.

I have a 2004 Miata Mazdaspeed and was wondering why they don't have
cruise control.

I bougth my car used with 7,500 miles on it in 2005. I now have 21k
on it.

Put 8k on it last summer when I tool a 5 week vacation.

On 6 Apr 2007 21:48:39 -0700, "Beemer" > wrote:

>On Apr 5, 6:07 am, M. Cantera >
>wrote:
>
>I have a 2004 Miata Mazdaspeed and was wondering why they don't have
>cruise control.

Apparently Mazda thought it too dangerous with a turbo. A sudden drop
in RPM (such as going up a hill) could trigger the turbo and might
cause the driver to be surprised and/or lose control.

Jon Weinberg

| email: jon at JonWeinberg daht com
| web: www.JonWeinberg.com

Scott Hughes wrote:

> Shortly before the Mazdaspeeds hit the market, I was at the local
> dealership looking at the Miatas they had there. I asked the salesman
> about the Mazdaspeed Miatas and he _corrected_ me, "they're called
> MiataSpeeds". I left him with his ignorance.
>
> -Scott

It's amazing what they "know". When I bought my first miata, after much
research, I found the '96M that I wanted. The salesperson was really
pushing a '97 STO on me for about the same price, he kept mentioning it
being a year newer. It also had 4 times as many miles on it.

Anyway, I told him no, that I wanted the "M" because it came with
features like the torsen rear end. He assured me that the '97 STO had
all of the same features, his proof was that they both had the same wheels.

He still got a sale out of me, I had found what I wanted and was
exhausted from about a full month of almost daily test-drives. Driving
the cars was ok, dealing with the salespeople was not.

Pat

Jon Weinberg wrote:

> Apparently Mazda thought it too dangerous with a turbo. A sudden drop
> in RPM (such as going up a hill) could trigger the turbo and might
> cause the driver to be surprised and/or lose control.
>
> Jon Weinberg
>
> | email: jon at JonWeinberg daht com
> | web: www.JonWeinberg.com

A friend's Audi with the 1.8 liter turbo has cruise control and has no
problems.

Also, as far as I know, adding aftermarket forced induction to a miata
does not require removal of the cruise control system if it has one, and
many of these systems are adding much more power then the increase from
the Mazdaspeed.

My own turbo does not have cruise control, but I don't think it ever
did. If cruise control does have to be disabled for FI, please let me
know, I had assumed that adding it to my car was an option.

Pat

pws wrote:
> Jon Weinberg wrote:
>
>> Apparently Mazda thought it too dangerous with a turbo. A sudden
>> drop in RPM (such as going up a hill) could trigger the turbo and
>> might cause the driver to be surprised and/or lose control.
>>
>> Jon Weinberg
>>
>>> email: jon at JonWeinberg daht com
>>> web: www.JonWeinberg.com
>
> A friend's Audi with the 1.8 liter turbo has cruise control and has no
> problems.
>
> Also, as far as I know, adding aftermarket forced induction to a miata
> does not require removal of the cruise control system if it has one,
> and many of these systems are adding much more power then the
> increase from the Mazdaspeed.
>
> My own turbo does not have cruise control, but I don't think it ever
> did. If cruise control does have to be disabled for FI, please let me
> know, I had assumed that adding it to my car was an option.

Pat, the only reason cruise control would "have" to be disabled because of
FI is just like Jon said: the lawyers.

I've owned several turbocharged cars with cruise control, including an Eagle
Talon Tsi AWD with quite a bit more power than the Mazdaspeed.

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tooloud wrote:

> Pat, the only reason cruise control would "have" to be disabled because of
> FI is just like Jon said: the lawyers.
>
> I've owned several turbocharged cars with cruise control, including an Eagle
> Talon Tsi AWD with quite a bit more power than the Mazdaspeed.


I am almost certain that the 300ZX twin turbo that I drove had cruise as
well, and it definitely had a much higher power to weight ratio than the
Mazdaspeed Miata.

If lawyers are the reason, then are any vehicles available with a turbo
and cruise control?
Our court system in the US is a joke, but it is still hard to believe
that it has come to a point of needing to choose between a turbo or
cruise control based on possible litigation.

Pat

pws > wrote:

>tooloud wrote:
>
>> Pat, the only reason cruise control would "have" to be disabled because of
>> FI is just like Jon said: the lawyers.
>>
>> I've owned several turbocharged cars with cruise control, including an Eagle
>> Talon Tsi AWD with quite a bit more power than the Mazdaspeed.
>
>
>I am almost certain that the 300ZX twin turbo that I drove had cruise as
>well, and it definitely had a much higher power to weight ratio than the
>Mazdaspeed Miata.
>
>If lawyers are the reason, then are any vehicles available with a turbo
>and cruise control?

Actually, if someone has an accident in a cruise control Mazdaspeed,
even if the driver is obviously to blame, a point can be made that
Mazda has tested this combination insufficiently. Obviously the
Mazdaspeed production numbers are not enough to warrant such testing.
And cruise controls do make "decisions" not directly dictated by the
driver, so *if* a jury of nonexperts believe that the cruise control
should be partially blamed, Mazda is on the hook.

>Our court system in the US is a joke, but it is still hard to believe
>that it has come to a point of needing to choose between a turbo or
>cruise control based on possible litigation.

Welcome to the good ol' USA, Pat! I hope you will enjoy your stay
in sunny Texas!

Leon
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