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Your maintenance-free battery ISN'T maintenance free !
While I was making mischief out in the garage today, I popped off the top of my maintenance-free battery, and discovered that the electrolyte level was DOWN TO THE TOP OF THE PLATES. I topped up with a goodly amount of distilled water, a lot of distilled water, until I got a meniscus at the bottom of the level indicator slots. Just a Heads Up ! Lg |
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Lawrence Glickman wrote: > While I was making mischief out in the garage today, I popped off the > top of my maintenance-free battery, and discovered that the > electrolyte level was DOWN TO THE TOP OF THE PLATES. > > I topped up with a goodly amount of distilled water, a lot of > distilled water, until I got a meniscus at the bottom of the level > indicator slots. > > Just a Heads Up ! > > Lg Always worth checking, but low water that much often means an overcharging condition and the battery life about over. If that battery were four years old I'd replace it without a blink. Run your lights for 30" with the engine off. Turn them off. Check voltage and it should be 12.6V or better. Start the engine and the charging voltage should be under 15V. |
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You just caught on to one of the best scams going there!
I know a gent that goes to all the used car lots and buys all the dead maintenance free batteries, tops them up, puts a deep charge in them and sells them back for $25.00 with a 1 year warranty. He said he almost never has a warranty claim. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Lawrence Glickman wrote: > > While I was making mischief out in the garage today, I popped off the > top of my maintenance-free battery, and discovered that the > electrolyte level was DOWN TO THE TOP OF THE PLATES. > > I topped up with a goodly amount of distilled water, a lot of > distilled water, until I got a meniscus at the bottom of the level > indicator slots. > > Just a Heads Up ! > > Lg |
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LG,
I learned this many years ago, probably because I'm such a cheap SOB. Sometimes those covers over the cells are extremely difficult to remove, but I refuse to let a manufacturer convince me that a wet lead-acid battery is "maintenance free." I know that I once spent considerable time with a Dremmel tool cutting loose the battery cell covers which had been bonded to the battery case. I got many more good years of service out of that "maintenance free battery" by treating it the old-fashioned way. "Maintenance Free" is often little more than a euphemism for a battery which is designed to fail prematurely because the manufacturer made it difficult to add water. Valve-regulated lead-acid technology is a great theory, but I still trust visual inspection and the addition of distilled water a few time per year. How much effort is that, really? As you know, the big rules to get maximum life out of a wet lead-acid battery a 1) Top off the charge - avoid even modest undercharge states. 2) Avoid deep cycle. 3) Examine and top off the water. 4) Avoid high temperatures (>104 ?), especially during recharging. Many bad things happen to lead-acid wet cells at high temperatures. Charging at high temps is particularly bad because it results in improper battery chemistry which shortens battery life. I can't remember the particular wrong chemical reactions anymore. Let me know if you remember. Isn't it fun defeating planned obsolescence? Gideon |
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On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 16:26:29 GMT, "Gideon" > wrote:
>LG, > >I learned this many years ago, probably because I'm such a cheap SOB. The word is "Frugal" Gideon. I like to think of myself as, eh, "thrifty," yeah that's it >Sometimes those covers over the cells are extremely difficult to remove, >but I refuse to let a manufacturer convince me that a wet lead-acid battery >is "maintenance free." As Mr Romain says, this -has- to be a SCAM. Why? Maybe because the mfgr. can sell -more- batteries this way, by saying leave em alone, they're "sealed for Life." ??? > I know that I once spent considerable time with a >Dremmel tool cutting loose the battery cell covers which had been bonded >to the battery case. I got many more good years of service out of that >"maintenance free battery" by treating it the old-fashioned way. See there, although in fairness, Al Bundy might be correct that I need to keep an eye on this thing. But it is OEM 2003 and I think I should expect 5 years out of a battery. IOW, I =should= be able to use this thing for at least another 2 or 3 years. In fact, I had one that went 7 years in a Merc Tracer. >"Maintenance Free" is often little more than a euphemism for a battery >which is designed to fail prematurely because the manufacturer made it >difficult to add water. Hear Hear. They could be doing this because it is protection against lawsuits from consumers fooling around with hydrogen gas and sulphuric acid. Or maybe they're just _greedy_. > Valve-regulated lead-acid technology is a great >theory, but I still trust visual inspection and the addition of distilled water >a few time per year. How much effort is that, really? Took me 2 seconds, but I wouldn't normally have looked since the hydrometer ball is still green. I am pretty sure it wouldn't have been green much longer if I didn't get to it when I did. >As you know, the big rules to get maximum life out of a wet lead-acid >battery a > 1) Top off the charge - avoid even modest undercharge states. > 2) Avoid deep cycle. > 3) Examine and top off the water. > 4) Avoid high temperatures (>104 ?), especially during recharging. > Many bad things happen to lead-acid wet cells at high temperatures. > Charging at high temps is particularly bad because it results in > improper battery chemistry which shortens battery life. I can't > remember the particular wrong chemical reactions anymore. Let > me know if you remember. > >Isn't it fun defeating planned obsolescence? It is fun beating the &astards at their own game 8-). >Gideon Lg ( MISTER Frugal, eh..."Thrifty ) |
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On 5 Mar 2005 07:06:29 -0800, "Al Bundy" >
wrote: > >Lawrence Glickman wrote: >> While I was making mischief out in the garage today, I popped off the >> top of my maintenance-free battery, and discovered that the >> electrolyte level was DOWN TO THE TOP OF THE PLATES. >> >> I topped up with a goodly amount of distilled water, a lot of >> distilled water, until I got a meniscus at the bottom of the level >> indicator slots. >> >> Just a Heads Up ! >> >> Lg > >Always worth checking, but low water that much often means an >overcharging condition and the battery life about over. I certainly hope not. >If that battery >were four years old I'd replace it without a blink. It is OEM on a 2003 >Run your lights for 30" with the engine off. Turn them off. Check >voltage and it should be 12.6V or better. Start the engine and the >charging voltage should be under 15V. Yep. I have a 300 Amp load I use, and I will check it out. Lg |
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On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 10:32:43 -0500, Mike Romain >
wrote: >You just caught on to one of the best scams going there! Quite by accident I assure you ;0 >I know a gent that goes to all the used car lots and buys all the dead >maintenance free batteries, tops them up, puts a deep charge in them and >sells them back for $25.00 with a 1 year warranty. He said he almost >never has a warranty claim. I'm sure there are tons of good stuff tossed away because of a planned obsolescence life-cycle, not because of *defective goods.* Sure, if you don't add water to a lead-acid battery, unless it's gel or AGM, it's going to go bad much sooner than it needs to. I might have just caught this thing in time. It's on a 2003 and I should really be able to run it another 3 years! Of course I live up North, and heat isn't as much as a problem here as it is down south, so I can expect longer battery life, but shorter auto body life, what with the salt on the roads in the winter. I wish it would warm up around here already. I want to get under the car and go after the obvious rust before it gets any worse. They sell these hand-held sand-blasting guns now, no larger than a paint sprayer. I'll use that and a can of rustoleum for a starter. No sense in keeping an engine alive if the body is gonna fall apart. Lg >Mike >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > >Lawrence Glickman wrote: >> >> While I was making mischief out in the garage today, I popped off the >> top of my maintenance-free battery, and discovered that the >> electrolyte level was DOWN TO THE TOP OF THE PLATES. >> >> I topped up with a goodly amount of distilled water, a lot of >> distilled water, until I got a meniscus at the bottom of the level >> indicator slots. >> >> Just a Heads Up ! >> >> Lg |
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The electrolyte should only be topped up when the battery is
pretty much fully charged and still on the charger. The level will rise while charging, and you can overfill a battery by bringing the acid to the bottom of the fill neck and then charging it. Results in spilled acid. Spilling acid and replacing it with distilled water reduces the SG and shortens battery life. Charging a battery at high amperage heats it up, too, and can wreck it. Many batteries now really ARE sealed, and have stuff in them to take the gases and convert them back to liquid, so they never need topping up. It's called recombinant-gas technology. Often found in emergency lighting, backup power systems, and we are encountering them in aviation. Wouldn't be surprised if a few autos have them now. Cut those open and you ruin them. Dan |
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Lawrence Glickman wrote:
> While I was making mischief out in the garage today, I popped off the > top of my maintenance-free battery, and discovered that the > electrolyte level was DOWN TO THE TOP OF THE PLATES. > Yep. Old news. There ARE certain types of battery that are truly maintenance-free, though. AGM (Absorbtive Glass Mat, aka "Gel Cells") like the Optima are truly sealed and don't have any liquid water. You can still ruin one by over-charging, which causes the electrolyte in the mat to out-gas too fast and pop safety seal, opening the battery to air so that it will dry out and die. |
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Steve wrote:
> > Lawrence Glickman wrote: > > > While I was making mischief out in the garage today, I popped off the > > top of my maintenance-free battery, and discovered that the > > electrolyte level was DOWN TO THE TOP OF THE PLATES. > > > > Yep. Old news. > > There ARE certain types of battery that are truly maintenance-free, > though. AGM (Absorbtive Glass Mat, aka "Gel Cells") like the Optima are > truly sealed and don't have any liquid water. You can still ruin one by > over-charging, which causes the electrolyte in the mat to out-gas too > fast and pop safety seal, opening the battery to air so that it will > dry out and die. Optima isn't in that class. They are a lead acid battery and do vent hydrogen gas so can explode like any other if a spark comes at the wrong time. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's |
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