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Is Ford Running on Empty?
Picasso wrote: > Its a good place to base a start. It is by no means perfect, but the It's like pulling a robber baron out of the pre-Depression era and giving him the helm of a modern company. Business is evolving, and it does NOT make sense to base your future on old formulas. Management styles are like any other technology. Take as a very good analogy black and white TV - it went through a period of being state-of-the-art and expensive but sought-after, then affordable and owned by everyone, and now it is virtually free ($9.95 will buy you a B&W television set, brand new) but nobody wants it because it has been superseded by superior products. Free-to-air TV signals still work on an old TV but you're missing a lot. When digital comes in, B&W TV sets will be completely worthless. Welch's pontificatory writings are in the same spot as B&W TV. His ideas are still backwards compatible with modern businesses - JUST. So they have some use, but it's small and dwindling. It would be stupid to set up a facility manufacturing CRTs with blue-white TV-grade phosphors right now, and it would be equally stupid to "turn around" a business into a known dead end like GE's methodologies. Even GE is changing. |
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Is Ford Running on Empty?
"Picasso" > wrote in message ... > long as the drives stay in the rear, and they keep the v8 ;P > > I really wish they wouldnt even PUT the v6 in them. it kindda ruins > them... like the fox stangs 4 banger, what a gutless piece of junk that > was... 2.3L Wasn't it? the ford tempo's could walk all over them! hahaha > Careful now, lol. In 1985 one of the performance mags did a head to head to find the "fastest" production car. Of course the Corvette won hands down over all even after Chevrolet made them put a roll cage in the car and locked out 6th gear on the tranny, the Camaro IROC nudged out the Pontiac Firebird for 2 nd place, and forth place went to the Buick Grand National, which beat the Firebird for top end, but got beat bad in the 1/4 mile, but the big surprise was the Dodge Omni GLH whooped the 5.0 Ford Mustang, not just on top end, but in the 1/4 mile as well.. A couple years later the Omni was gone, as was the Grand National, but the big upset winners were both GM trucks, the Cyclone, and the Typhoon, which almost beat the damn Corvette in the 1/4 mile. Whitelightning |
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Is Ford Running on Empty?
"David M" > wrote in message ... > On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 23:56:42 +0000, Picasso rearranged some electrons to > form: > > > long as the drives stay in the rear, and they keep the v8 ;P > > > > I really wish they wouldnt even PUT the v6 in them. it kindda ruins > > them... like the fox stangs 4 banger, what a gutless piece of junk that > > was... 2.3L Wasn't it? the ford tempo's could walk all over them! hahaha > > If you actually drove a new Mustang with the V6, you might think again. > It really runs pretty good, for a 6-cyl. > > Imagine it with a super charger like the Cobalt SS. Whitelightning |
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Is Ford Running on Empty?
"Picasso" > wrote in message ... > Mark Jones wrote: >> Mike Hunter wrote: >>> GM and Ford are finally advertising the fact they have more vehicles, >>> than any of the imports, that get 30 MPG or more. Many mistakenly >>> believe they need to buy an import to get decent fuel mileage. GM, >>> Ford and Chrysler even offers car with V8 that can get 25 MPG or more. >> >> My 1994 Corvette with the optional performance rear gears >> gets 25 mpg, so getting 25 mpg from a car is really not that >> much of a challenge for Ford and GM. >> >> When my 2004 F-150 4x4 is paid off next fall, I intend to >> trade it in on a new Ford truck. Probably an F-250. My F-150 >> has been flawless. It is the best vehicle I have ever owned. >> >> > > > F150's are damn solid trucks. I wish they still made the light duty f250. > But anyway, the F150's are still good vehicles. > > If i had the money, I would try a 250 or 350 diesel. Light duty F-250's??? What year was that? Every year I'm familiar with share axels, brakes and springs with the F-350. I do know Chevy made half-ton based light duty 3/4 ton trucks, I'm not aware of a Ford light duty F-250. |
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Is Ford Running on Empty?
Mike Hunter wrote: >Better quality? In whose opinion? J.D. Powers, Consumer Reports, Popular Mechanics, Gelco Leasing, dealers that sell both Japanese, American, and Chrysler brands, and even the internal reports of Ford and GM. >Lest we forget both GM and Ford outsell ANY of the imports, as well. Irrelevant (quality != quantity) and misleading ( GM + Ford is bigger than Toyota, but Toyota + Ford is bigger than GM, but so what?). GM is also #1 in China, but again, so what? For a business with such large economies of scale as the car industry, worldwide sales matter more, and here GM will soon be overtaken, unless it merges with Renault/Nissan. GM and Ford have got to bring out new best-in-class vehicles, and they haven't been doing that much, GM perhaps not at all.. Rick Wagoner and Bill Ford need to understand, "It's the vehicles, stupid." |
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Is Ford Running on Empty?
FanJet wrote: >Bill Ford needs a product like Bill Gates: >Costs virtually nothing to make, distribute & sell with absolutely no >warranty whatever. But Bill Ford runs an actual business and can't tax almost every car made the way Bill Gates can essentially tax computers with Windows. Bill Gates didn't create but just brought order to the PC business the way the public highway system brought order to auto travel. >During the worst period in Ford history (I'm sure that could be argued to >death), a single days output from one Ford plant would be worth more than 5 >years of anything Microsoft has foisted on an its consumer base. >Funny world! Funny economics. People who worship capitalism as a religion should realize that their god isn't just far from perfect but often outright absurd. |
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Is Ford Running on Empty?
In article >, Picasso wrote:
> They need to take some time and study the GE management style, and begin > to manage these people. Have you ever personally experienced the GE management style? Here's how it works. Each year every employee is ranked. This is a political process. It's not how well you do your job, how smart you are, how much money you made or saved the corporation, but how well liked you are and how high your salary is. The bottom 10% is subject to downsizing, and usually is. After a few years, those who fought for change and became disliked by bosses for not supporting the status quo, those who were creative and fought to try new politically risky solutions, those who had experience and knowledge are all gone. Sure, wall street and the executives love it when the engineering staff has been reduced to fresh-outs and ass kissers. However, innovation, creativity and institutional knowledge suffers. Nobody still working there knows that doing such and such leads to fires once the cars are out in the real world... 'little' things like that. If Ford and GM want to survive they need to take the shackles off their engineers, not find new ways to pound down the highest nails. (as per the japanese saying) And that's what the GE method does, pounds down the highest nails. |
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"Picasso" > wrote in message ... > long as the drives stay in the rear, and they keep the v8 ;P > > I really wish they wouldnt even PUT the v6 in them. it kindda ruins > them... like the fox stangs 4 banger, what a gutless piece of junk that > was... 2.3L Wasn't it? the ford tempo's could walk all over them! hahaha If they did not sell the V-6 Mustang, the "secretary car" would have long ago suffered the same fate as the camaro and charger... It's a good thing some people like the low performance models... > > lymee wrote: >> On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 22:27:29 +0000, Picasso wrote: >> >>> What chages are they planning for the mustang? >>> >>> The mustang GT is a well done piece. Best bang for your buck for sure, >>> if you are looking for good styling, good power, and a good daily drive. >>> I don't know why you would look any further, even if the camaro was >>> still around, it's styling looked like a riced out firebird from 1993, >>> and didn't even perform overly impressively. It would probally still be >>> overpriced even if it was there to compete... >> >> >> I don't know. >> I read somewhere that every body panel is being reworked along with a new >> V6 motor. >> Might just be rumour. >> Might be too many beers while surfing the net >> >> Anyone?? >> |
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David M wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 23:56:42 +0000, Picasso rearranged some electrons to > form: > >> long as the drives stay in the rear, and they keep the v8 ;P >> >> I really wish they wouldnt even PUT the v6 in them. it kindda ruins >> them... like the fox stangs 4 banger, what a gutless piece of junk that >> was... 2.3L Wasn't it? the ford tempo's could walk all over them! hahaha > > If you actually drove a new Mustang with the V6, you might think again. > It really runs pretty good, for a 6-cyl. > When someone adds, "for a six-cyl" at the end, I don't want to drive it... I can already feel the power, and hear the motor grinding away........................... |
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