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Saving my (expensive) clutch.
> > Don't you guys know how to do the two foot tango with 3 pedals?
> > > > Left foot goes on clutch AND brake, right foot on accelerator. As the > > left foot releases, you're engaging the clutch and releasing the brake, > > all in one motion. Give it a little gas as you normally would when > > starting and you don't roll back. > > NO. > > Learn how to REALLY drive a manual transmission; then get back to us. That is the way. Just because you don't understand it or are unable to do it doesn't make it wrong. |
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Saving my (expensive) clutch.
Larry Bud wrote: > > > Don't you guys know how to do the two foot tango with 3 pedals? > > > > > > Left foot goes on clutch AND brake, right foot on accelerator. As the > > > left foot releases, you're engaging the clutch and releasing the brake, > > > all in one motion. Give it a little gas as you normally would when > > > starting and you don't roll back. > > > > NO. > > > > Learn how to REALLY drive a manual transmission; then get back to us. > > That is the way. Just because you don't understand it or are unable to > do it doesn't make it wrong. It's a shocking way to use a manual tranny. One slip of the foot and the car is totally out of control. Use that during a driving test and it's a guaranteed fail.. Graham |
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Larry Bud wrote: > Harry K wrote: > > Larry Bud wrote: > > > Alex Rodriguez wrote: > > > > In article >, > > > > says... > > > > > > > > >NEVER use the clutch to hold position on hills. > > > > >That is what the handbrake is for. > > > > > > > > Handbrake?? What if your car has a footbrake? I've done fine just using > > > > the regular brake and some quick foot action. > > > > > > Don't you guys know how to do the two foot tango with 3 pedals? > > > > > > Left foot goes on clutch AND brake, right foot on accelerator. As the > > > left foot releases, you're engaging the clutch and releasing the brake, > > > all in one motion. Give it a little gas as you normally would when > > > starting and you don't roll back. > > > > Now that is a technique I have never tried and can't really see how it > > would work. I always used the right foot on brake and accelerator. > > What's so hard to see? When you're stopped, the clutch AND brake pedal > are fully depressed, causing you to stop. As you release BOTH at the > same time, the clutch takes over and makes it so you don't roll > backward. And right thee is the problem. The clutch is fully depressed but the brake pedal won't even be 1/2 way to the boards. Then there is the problem of the clutch and brake being on opposide sides of the steering colume (if there is one down there). I have never driven a vette but nothing else I have driven would have allowed that procedure. Did drive an ex-works ?mercedes/ferrari? (how memory fades) for a short distance back in the early 60s. Never could sort out the tranny in that. I just came back in trying it in my F150. There was no possible contortion that would allow me to do it with the left foot. Harry K |
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Harry K wrote:
> Larry Bud wrote: >>What's so hard to see? When you're stopped, the clutch AND brake pedal >>are fully depressed, causing you to stop. As you release BOTH at the >>same time, the clutch takes over and makes it so you don't roll >>backward. > And right thee is the problem. The clutch is fully depressed but the > brake pedal won't even be 1/2 way to the boards. Perhaps he has a bit of extra air in his brake system. And, like you said, there's no way to get the left foot to press both at the same time while the clutch is down on the floor. I couldn't do it in my Audi either. Every reference to heel-toe refers to the right foot operating the brake while rev matching. I've never heard of the technique that Larry describes. |
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Arif Khokar wrote: > Harry K wrote: > > > Larry Bud wrote: > > >>What's so hard to see? When you're stopped, the clutch AND brake pedal > >>are fully depressed, causing you to stop. As you release BOTH at the > >>same time, the clutch takes over and makes it so you don't roll > >>backward. > > > And right thee is the problem. The clutch is fully depressed but the > > brake pedal won't even be 1/2 way to the boards. > > Perhaps he has a bit of extra air in his brake system. And, like you > said, there's no way to get the left foot to press both at the same time > while the clutch is down on the floor. I couldn't do it in my Audi either. > > Every reference to heel-toe refers to the right foot operating the brake > while rev matching. I've never heard of the technique that Larry describes. I was under the impression that it was technique used in rallying. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heel-and-toe But that's accelerator and brake. Graham |
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Saving my (expensive) clutch.
Harry K wrote:
> > I just came back in trying it in my F150. There was no possible > contortion that would allow me to do it with the left foot. > ----- I'm not qualified to write the definitive treatise concerning "heel & toeing" but the technique often involves different strategies for particular vehicles and differing situations... depending on the driver. The long throw of a clutch in a pickup is not an appropiate example of L foot heel & toeing. Heel & toeing doesn't come in very handy outside of racing and it takes a ****load of practice to use it effectively. Using the R foot to operate the throttle/brake was (is?) probably the most common method of double-clutching a downshift for a corner... but some guys heel the throttle, some guys heel the brake. Some guys alternate depending on whether braking into the corner or accelerating out of it seems most advantageous... and that can vary, depending on traffic for example. Some guys heel & toe the clutch/brake with the L foot using the heel for either. It's pretty much driver preference, equipment allowing. But the original posters receipt of advice that "one should never rev the engine while letting the clutch out" is clearly wrong but probably well intended. Clutches are wear items, you don't want to abuse them, but wear they must and will. Practice will allow the observant driver starting from a stop on the steepest of grades to learn to quickly release the brake, disengage (release the pedal) the clutch and apply throttle in a manner that will minimize (not eliminate... [not you, nate]) excessive clutch wear and cause the vehicle to proceed forward smoothly with minimal, if any backward motion. If you drive primarily in an urban area with a lot of steep hills you shouldn't even own a manual transmission. IMNSHO, there's no sense in having a manual transmission in any vehicle primarily intended for use on public roads... but that's just me. ----- - gpsman |
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Saving my (expensive) clutch.
I have driven manual transimissions all my life. Never had an auto in
a car until I was in my 40s. Those cars included both foreign and domestic. In none of them was left foot on brake and clutch a reasonable way to do it. While use of handbrake on hills is an easy, simple method, using footbrake+accelerator accomplishes the same thing and results in no more wear on the clutch than the handbrake does. While hold the brake you release the clutch until it begins to grab, add a bit of gas while releasing the brake and you are off. That description applies to both hand and foot brake. The OP's reference to "reving the engine" has been taken way out of context IMO. All he meant was to increase the gas a bit. Heel and toeing while driving is a totally different thing than starting from a stop doing it. I myself have never been able to do it well, even in a couple Volvos (59 PV544 and 62 122s - both new). I can shift clutchless much better but that is slower than using the clutch. You do have a point about manual transmissions in modern cars. They are just as fuel efficient (in some cases more so) than the manual. The old perjorative "slush box" went out the window 30 years (or more) ago when the torque converter lock-up became standard. IMO there is no benefit to a manual in standard passenger cars. For sporty type cars, give me a manual just for the sheer fun of driving. Now for a PU, I have never bought a new one, always well maintained, medium mileage used. Always I insist on a manual. That is just me and I have been in a spot or two when I would have better off with an auto. Harry K |
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A friend of mine (in England) went to a breakers yard and got the
needed bits & pieces off a Subaru to install their "Hill-holder" (Studebaker named it this when they invented it) on his (nonj-Subaru) car. A good mechanic who has worked on Subarus should be able to do it - chjeck with insurance company first. <g> Midlant Pooh Bear wrote: > Harry K wrote: > > > Alex Rodriguez wrote: > > > In article >, > > > says... > > > > > > >NEVER use the clutch to hold position on hills. > > > >That is what the handbrake is for. > > > > > > Handbrake?? What if your car has a footbrake? I've done fine just using > > > the regular brake and some quick foot action. > > > -------------- > > > Alex > > > > Same here. I can't recall when I last saw a car other than the sport > > types with a real handbrake. I always wonder about that when this > > subject comes up and also when people talk about using the handbrake to > > slow down so a cop doesn't see the brake light or using it to make the > > rear slide out in cornering. > > The handbrake is the 'European' name. I gather you call it the parking brake. > > Never engage the parking brake whilst in motion. It can have unexpected effects > ( like the stunts in movies ). > > Graham |
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In article >,
Pooh Bear > wrote: > > >Larry Bud wrote: > >> > > Don't you guys know how to do the two foot tango with 3 pedals? >> > > >> > > Left foot goes on clutch AND brake, right foot on accelerator. As the >> > > left foot releases, you're engaging the clutch and releasing the brake, >> > > all in one motion. Give it a little gas as you normally would when >> > > starting and you don't roll back. >> > >> > NO. >> > >> > Learn how to REALLY drive a manual transmission; then get back to us. >> >> That is the way. Just because you don't understand it or are unable to >> do it doesn't make it wrong. > >It's a shocking way to use a manual tranny. Only to those with an extremely low shock threshold. >One slip of the foot and the car is totally out of control. One slip of the foot and the car stalls. >Use that during a driving test and it's a guaranteed fail.. Depends on where you are. -- There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. |
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