"No refusal" DUI checkpoints could be coming to Tampa

Brent wrote:
> On 2011-02-07, > wrote:
>> Brent wrote:
>>> Daniel W. Rouse Jr. wrote:
>>>> "Brent" wrote in message
>>>> [snip...]
>>>>
>>>>> I expect courtsey, and that means someone making a move into my path not
>>>>> force me to brake. I don't force other people to brake. If completing
>>>>> the pass would require me going faster than I'd like to go I don't start
>>>>> the pass.
>>>>>
>>>> But when you refer to 1/4, 1/2 or more distance away from you, it's just
>>>> baseless whining and proof you are being MFFY, not just expecting courtesy.
>>>
>>> Not at all. I don't pull in front of people who are closing on me at
>>> such a rate that they will be forced to brake if they are that distance
>>> behind me.
>>
>> You probably find it impossible to get anywhere during rush hour.
>
> Your "rush hour" must be light. In rush hours around here 'stop' is the
> dominant speed on the interstates.

WTF?

How is it possible to take my statement about your rush hour
and somehow deduce anything about mine?

I suppose you've never experienced anyone speeding up when
you put your turn signal on?

If you never cause anyone to brake when getting over a lane
during rush hour, you must be sitting in the passenger seat.

On 2/7/2011 11:40 AM, Harry K wrote:
> On Feb 6, 8:52 pm, "Daniel W. Rouse >
> wrote:
>> > wrote in message

>>> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Practically every day I find myself behind
>>> someone who gets through an intersection slower than I do on a bicycle.

>> I don't believe you.

> Well I never! How dare you not believe one of Brent's stooorrries.

I can keep up with cars when starting from a traffic light up to 15 mph
when riding a bike. When driving, I find that they accelerate
unnecessarily slow. I would say that given Brent is lighter than me and
has a better bike, it's quite easy to believe he could out accelerate an
average sloth accelerator up to probably 20 mph.

On 2/7/2011 6:16 PM, Jordon wrote:

> I suppose you've never experienced anyone speeding up when
> you put your turn signal on?

I guess you're one of those marginally competent drivers who switches
his signal on and relies on other enablers to let you in instead of one
of those competent drivers who actually checks for traffic and finds a
gap first before signaling.

In article >,
Daniel W. Rouse Jr. > wrote:

>It's only "engine braking" when only letting up on the accelerator pedal
>(not also downshifting) if the vehicle is specifically equipped with an
>engine retarder that specifically begins engine braking as the accelerator
>is allowed to return towards the full up position. Everyone else calls it
>coasting, which it is.

These are cars, not trucks. Pretty much every gasoline-powered car
will do engine braking. It's the fact that diesels don't engine-brake
which requires the separate mechanism.
--
The problem with socialism is there's always
someone with less ability and more need.

On 2011-02-07, Jordon > wrote:
> Brent wrote:
>> On 2011-02-07, > wrote:
>>> Brent wrote:
>>>> Daniel W. Rouse Jr. wrote:
>>>>> "Brent" wrote in message
>>>>> [snip...]
>>>>>
>>>>>> I expect courtsey, and that means someone making a move into my path not
>>>>>> force me to brake. I don't force other people to brake. If completing
>>>>>> the pass would require me going faster than I'd like to go I don't start
>>>>>> the pass.
>>>>>>
>>>>> But when you refer to 1/4, 1/2 or more distance away from you, it's just
>>>>> baseless whining and proof you are being MFFY, not just expecting courtesy.
>>>>
>>>> Not at all. I don't pull in front of people who are closing on me at
>>>> such a rate that they will be forced to brake if they are that distance
>>>> behind me.
>>>
>>> You probably find it impossible to get anywhere during rush hour.
>>
>> Your "rush hour" must be light. In rush hours around here 'stop' is the
>> dominant speed on the interstates.
>
> WTF?
>
> How is it possible to take my statement about your rush hour
> and somehow deduce anything about mine?

I am going by your other posts and then adding this comment to them.

> I suppose you've never experienced anyone speeding up when
> you put your turn signal on?

> If you never cause anyone to brake when getting over a lane
> during rush hour, you must be sitting in the passenger seat.

Again, your rush hour must be amazingly light if you're making other
drivers brake with lane changes, well unless of course you're the kind
of driver that flips on a signal (or not) and demands other people let
him in. Me, I wait until there is a gap and move into it. If the driver
behind me has to brake it's because the driver in front of me has. Thus
my presence doesn't change anything for him.

On Feb 7, 6:25*am, Brent > wrote:
> On 2011-02-07, Daniel W. Rouse Jr. > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Brent" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> On 2011-02-07, Harry K > wrote:
> >>> On Feb 6, 10:05 am, Brent > wrote:
> >>>> On 2011-02-06, Daniel W. Rouse Jr. > wrote:
>
> >>>> > "gpsman" > wrote in message
> >>>> ...
> >>>> > On Feb 5, 10:54 pm, Brent > wrote:
>
> >>>> >> Harry, just lifting on the throttle is braking. You're just using the
> >>>> >> engine to do it instead of the brakes. I find it amusing you attempt
> >>>> >> to
> >>>> >> mask your lack of argument and end up only displaying greater
> >>>> >> ignorance.
>
> >>>> > Ba-da boom.
>
> >>>> > * Yep, he's wrong because lifting the foot of the throttle is
> >>>> > considered
> >>>> > coasting and the engine actually does minimal braking unless one is
> >>>> > using a
> >>>> > cruise control system that decelerates or they also shift down a gear
> >>>> > with
> >>>> > the transmission.
>
> >>>> Pushing in clutch or shifting to neutral is coasting. Trucker Troll
> >>>> should know the difference. Coasting takes considerably longer to roll
> >>>> to a stop than simply throttle lifting. Next thing I suppose is that
> >>>> you'll tell me a dyno isn't applying a braking force.
>
> >>> You can search the wold over and won't find anyone who defines lifting
> >>> the foot as braking. *But please do continue with redefining terms.
> >>> The rest of us will just laugh at you.
>
> >> Those of us who know how to drive call it engine braking. Those who
> >> don't know how to drive.... well they think like you and block the
> >> passing lane. *I do note yet another tanget of nonsense from you to
> >> avoid your definition of safety not being all around workable.
>
> > It's only "engine braking" when only letting up on the accelerator pedal
> > (not also downshifting) if the vehicle is specifically equipped with an
> > engine retarder that specifically begins engine braking as the accelerator
> > is allowed to return towards the full up position. Everyone else calls it
> > coasting, which it is.
>
> It is not coasting. Do without pushing in the clutch pedal and then do
> with pushing in the clutch pedal. Note the difference. I am not
> surprised you don't understand this.
>
> > Braking is the application of the brakes, or--in the case of a manual
> > transmission--the other action of slowly releasing the clutch as a lower
> > gear is selected *that* is considered to be engine braking.
>
> Um no.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_braking
> "Engine braking is the act of using the retarding forces within an
> engine to slow a vehicle down, as opposed to using an external braking
> mechanism, for example friction brakes or magnetic brakes."
>
> "Petrol (gasoline) engines
>
> The term engine braking usually refers to the braking effect caused by
> throttle position induced vacuum in petrol (gasoline) engines. While
> some of the braking force is due to friction in the drive train, this is
> negligible compared to the effect from vacuum.
>
> When the throttle is lifted less air is allowed to pass through the
> intake manifold, and the engine works against this vacuum. It is the
> deceleration of the engine against this vacuum which provides the
> braking effect."
>
> Gear choice is only the rate of engine braking. The idea that it
> doesn't occur without a downshift is absurd.
>
> > But you didn't
> > specify the manual transmission form of engine braking in your original
> > point, don't try to explain away how you actually did and I just didn't get
> > the point. You considered the action of letting up on the acelerator alone
> > as engine braking, and that does not apply to all vehicles.
>
> LOL.... So you and the lame boys are all upset I didn't dedicate a
> couple paragraphs spelling out the mechanics to you? LOL.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Here is a little experiment for you. Tell 50 drivers you meet at
random that you braked for something. How many do you think are going
to take that as "letting up on the accelerator?

I clearly remember you even stating it as "slaming on the brake" in
the past. Perhaps you can explain how one 'slams on the gas pedal"
when you want engine braking.

You can twist and turn and redefine the common meaning of words all
you want but everyone in these threads knows _exactly what you meant.

Harry K

On Feb 7, 9:25*am, Brent > wrote:
>
> LOL.... So you and the lame boys are all upset I didn't dedicate a
> couple paragraphs spelling out the mechanics to you? LOL.

All amused.

Here we are in a "driving" related group and you're attempting to
argue that "lifting off the throttle" constitutes "braking".

Apparently with no sense of embarrassment.

Could one of you nitwits at least provide us with the correct term for
"applying the brakes"...?
-----

- gpsman

Arif Khokar wrote:
> Jordon wrote:
>
>> I suppose you've never experienced anyone speeding up when
>> you put your turn signal on?
>
> I guess you're one of those marginally competent drivers who switches
> his signal on and relies on other enablers to let you in instead of one
> of those competent drivers who actually checks for traffic and finds a
> gap first before signaling.

Enablers?

You are obviously not a courteous driver that gives someone the
space when they ask for it. Otherwise you'd be accused of being
an enabler. I bet you get a little thrill when you step on the
gas after seeing a turn signal in front of you.

Brent wrote:
> On 2011-02-07, > wrote:
>> Brent wrote:
>>> On 2011-02-07, > wrote:
>>>> Brent wrote:
>>>>> Daniel W. Rouse Jr. wrote:
>>>>>> "Brent" wrote in message
>>>>>> [snip...]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I expect courtsey, and that means someone making a move into my path not
>>>>>>> force me to brake. I don't force other people to brake. If completing
>>>>>>> the pass would require me going faster than I'd like to go I don't start
>>>>>>> the pass.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> But when you refer to 1/4, 1/2 or more distance away from you, it's just
>>>>>> baseless whining and proof you are being MFFY, not just expecting courtesy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not at all. I don't pull in front of people who are closing on me at
>>>>> such a rate that they will be forced to brake if they are that distance
>>>>> behind me.
>>>>
>>>> You probably find it impossible to get anywhere during rush hour.
>>>
>>> Your "rush hour" must be light. In rush hours around here 'stop' is the
>>> dominant speed on the interstates.
>>
>> WTF?
>>
>> How is it possible to take my statement about your rush hour
>> and somehow deduce anything about mine?
>
> I am going by your other posts and then adding this comment to them.
>
>> I suppose you've never experienced anyone speeding up when
>> you put your turn signal on?
>
>> If you never cause anyone to brake when getting over a lane
>> during rush hour, you must be sitting in the passenger seat.
>
> Again, your rush hour must be amazingly light

much like your brain

On Feb 8, 6:10*am, gpsman > wrote:
> On Feb 7, 9:25*am, Brent > wrote:
>
>
>
> > LOL.... So you and the lame boys are all upset I didn't dedicate a
> > couple paragraphs spelling out the mechanics to you? LOL.
>
> All amused.
>
> Here we are in a "driving" related group and you're attempting to
> argue that "lifting off the throttle" constitutes "braking".
>
> Apparently with no sense of embarrassment.
>
> Could one of you nitwits at least provide us with the correct term for
> "applying the brakes"...?
> *-----
>
> - gpsman

In Brent's case it is "anything that will divert attention from
another of my stupidities"
As in "having to brake because I caught up to someone"

Harry K