Ride an SUB not an SUV

donquijote1954 wrote:
> On Mar 5, 5:29 pm, "Roger Zoul" > wrote:
>
>> :: I guess you can't argue with idiots, especially if they think they
>> :: have enough money to waste on those things.
>> :: Sigh.
>> :: Bill Baka
>>
>> Is drinking alcohol bad for you?
>
> Only if you drink and drive. Then it gets as dangerous as talking on
> the phone.
>
Moral,
Only drink if it is offered to you, it is the good stuff, and you have a
good driver who doesn't drink (at least not more than one.).
Bill Baka

"George Conklin" > wrote in message
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>> >> >> donquijote1954 wrote:
>> >> >> > On Mar 4, 9:49 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo" >
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Mar 3, 11:47 am, "donquijote1954"
> >
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>> Hey, be smart. You are part of the solution, not part of the
>> > problem.
>> >> >> >>> And you save the buck. Dinosaurs are a thing of the past and
>> >> >> >>> the
>> >> >> >>> little furry animals are here to stay.
>> >> >> >>> There are two versions of it...
>> >> >> >>> bike:
>> >> >> >>> http://www.zazzle.com/product/235847689274986069
>> >> >> >>> and bus:
>> >> >> >>> http://www.zazzle.com/product/235396990102826110
>> >> >> >> OK, how is the bus not polluting?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > You don't see it everyday, but it's possible. Just some new
>> >> >> > technologies and some political will to make it happen...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Heaven Help Bus
>> >> >> > A visit to Iceland spurs dreams of a hydrogen future
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The loneliness of the long-distance rider.I have seen the future,
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> > it works.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The 111 bus rolls quietly up to the Mjodd terminal in eastern
>> >> >> > Reykjavik at 11:19 a.m., and I climb aboard. For 45 minutes, we
>> > cruise
>> >> >> > through the suburbs and then to the central square downtown,
> picking
>> >> >> > up and discharging eight passengers along the way. Fuel cells
>> >> >> > that
>> >> >> > would have filled the space of several passenger seats five years
>> >> >> > ago
>> >> >> > are now small enough to fit in the roof panels. And out the
> exhaust
>> >> >> > pipe: a trickle of water.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> > http://www.grist.org/comments/soapbo...n-hydrogenbus/
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I have a dream...that someday buses will not pollute. Actually we
>> >> >> > could make it happen now much easier than having all the cars be
>> >> >> > replaced with hybrid. Just change the fleet of buses to hydrogen
> or
>> >> >> > some other technologies out there.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > We can make it happen with THE REVOLUTION. Coming soon...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> Too optimistic. Somebody, somewhere is probably burning coal or oil
> to
>> >> >> make the electricity to electrolyze the water to make the Hydrogen.
>> >> >> It only really works if the electricity comes from wind, solar,
> hydro,
>> >> >> or, dare I say it, NUculear (Bush pronunciation).
>> >> >> Bill Baka
>> >> >
>> >> > Anything which makes a bus more efficient would make a car even more
>> >> > efficient than the bus. Right now transit buses waste fuel big
>> >> > time.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Who killed the electric car" would be a good movie for this thread.
>> >> I will never buy anything from GM. Wusses!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > The public killed the electric car because lead-acid batteries are not
>> > really of much use in today's world. But a plug-in hybrid would meet
> the
>> > needs of about 90% of American commuters.
>> >
>> If GM kept it it would have evolved because people were in love with it.
>> They crushed brand new cars and took them away from people who wanted to
> pay
>> for them. They were under pressure from oil and car makers to scrap it
>> because it would have been the right thing at the right time. Gee where
>> have I heard that one before. There would be no war with the US either
> if
>> they went that way.
>>
>>
> Sorry. Lead-acid batteries will not hack it even with high gas prices.
>
Why are you still arguing about lead-acid batteries? I did not say that
did I?
The movie is about more than the technology at the time. Do you really
think a progressive company like that would try to put lead batteries on
the market today. FF to 2007 and look back at the wars since the movie. I
think it was before 911 also. Check it.

On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 21:44:40 GMT, "George Conklin"
> wrote:

>
>"Bill Baka" > wrote in message
t...
>> donquijote1954 wrote:
>> > On Mar 4, 8:33 pm, "George Conklin" >
>> > wrote:
>> >>>> I have a dream...that someday buses will not pollute. Actually we
>> >>>> could make it happen now much easier than having all the cars be
>> >>>> replaced with hybrid. Just change the fleet of buses to hydrogen or
>> >>>> some other technologies out there.
>> >>>> We can make it happen with THE REVOLUTION. Coming soon...
>> >>> Too optimistic. Somebody, somewhere is probably burning coal or oil to
>> >>> make the electricity to electrolyze the water to make the Hydrogen.
>> >>> It only really works if the electricity comes from wind, solar, hydro,
>> >>> or, dare I say it, NUculear (Bush pronunciation).
>> >>> Bill Baka
>> >> Anything which makes a bus more efficient would make a car even more
>> >> efficient than the bus. Right now transit buses waste fuel big time.-
>Hide quoted text -
>> >
>> > Only true if less than 7 passengers ride it. And still it means fewer
>> > vehicles out there to feed traffic jams...
>> >
>> > Using Mass Transit
>> > The key to mass transit is the word "mass". The more of us who use it,
>> > the more global warming pollution it saves. That's because a bus or
>> > train releases more CO2 into the air than a car, but a bus or train
>> > holds many, many more people and thus keeps all those cars off the
>> > road.
>> >
>> > A bus with just 7 passengers is more fuel efficient than the average
>> > car.
>>
>> How many carpoolers do you see crammed with 7 people?
>> Reality check?
>> Bill Baka
>>
>
>
> These fake comparison compare a full bus with car with only the driver. If
>both were full, in transit service they would again be equal. Long-distance
>buses, NEVER trains, yield the biggest savings. But no one wants to hear
>what works. I know there are many train foamers, no bus foamers.
>
Ironically, given other statistics, in the rush hour, the bus is
likely to be full over a good portion of the route while the car is
more likely to be single occupant only. In the off peak, the bus
normally is significantly less loaded while the car is more likely to
have more than one person in it.

Long distance buses may have greater fuel savings but that is at the
cost of narrow and cramped seating. As someone who took the Acadian
Lines bus on its journey that was almost twice as long as a car trip,
I can state that the comfort for someone over 6 feet tall is nowhere
near that of a standard Amfleet Corridor car. If Amfleet were to have
3 - 2 seating at a 32 inch seat spacing and no food service, a 5 car
train would probably have the same or slightly more seat miles per
gallon.

On Mar 5, 4:42 pm, "George Conklin" >
wrote:
> "donquijote1954" > wrote in message
>
> s.com...
>
>
>
> > On Mar 4, 8:33 pm, "George Conklin" >
> > wrote:
> > > > > I have a dream...that someday buses will not pollute. Actually we
> > > > > could make it happen now much easier than having all the cars be
> > > > > replaced with hybrid. Just change the fleet of buses to hydrogen or
> > > > > some other technologies out there.
>
> > > > > We can make it happen with THE REVOLUTION. Coming soon...
>
> > > > Too optimistic. Somebody, somewhere is probably burning coal or oil to
> > > > make the electricity to electrolyze the water to make the Hydrogen.
> > > > It only really works if the electricity comes from wind, solar, hydro,
> > > > or, dare I say it, NUculear (Bush pronunciation).
> > > > Bill Baka
>
> > > Anything which makes a bus more efficient would make a car even more
> > > efficient than the bus. Right now transit buses waste fuel big time.-
> Hide quoted text -
>
> > Only true if less than 7 passengers ride it. And still it means fewer
> > vehicles out there to feed traffic jams...
>
> > Using Mass Transit
> > The key to mass transit is the word "mass". The more of us who use it,
> > the more global warming pollution it saves.
>
> Full cars would also do the same thing, but the laws are set up to
> discourage that and to encourage money-losing transit systems.

Care to point out any of those laws against having more than one
person in a car during rush hour? Or do you mean the widely ignored
"Don't pull into the bike lane and perform a Chinese Fire Drill
during rush hour" law?

On Mar 4, 8:36 pm, "Daryl Hunt" > wrote:
> You will notice that there was no mention of the obvious. If you use the
> electricity without converting it to anything it's clean (Hydrogen is not as
> clean) then you do get what you want.

It's bloody hard to bring a gallon of electricity home, though. You
generally have to convert it to something, even if it's some oddball
chemical soup of lead and sulpheric acid. That, or bring a LONG cord
with you.

nash wrote:
> "George Conklin" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
>> Sorry. Lead-acid batteries will not hack it even with high gas prices.
>>
> Why are you still arguing about lead-acid batteries? I did not say that
> did I?
> The movie is about more than the technology at the time. Do you really
> think a progressive company like that would try to put lead batteries on
> the market today. FF to 2007 and look back at the wars since the movie. I
> think it was before 911 also. Check it.
>
>

We did have electric cars in the beginning when a charge of lead-acid
batteries would give you a good 20 miles. That was about what you could
get out of a horse every day. When gas cars started to get reliable and
over 30-40 miles between breakdowns the electrics died out. Strange that
the horses were the last to go.
Bill Baka

"Bill Baka" > wrote in message
.. .
> nash wrote:
>> "George Conklin" > wrote in message
>> ink.net...
>>> Sorry. Lead-acid batteries will not hack it even with high gas
>>> prices.
>>>
>> Why are you still arguing about lead-acid batteries? I did not say that
>> did I?
>> The movie is about more than the technology at the time. Do you really
>> think a progressive company like that would try to put lead batteries on
>> the market today. FF to 2007 and look back at the wars since the movie.
>> I think it was before 911 also. Check it.
>
> We did have electric cars in the beginning when a charge of lead-acid
> batteries would give you a good 20 miles. That was about what you could
> get out of a horse every day. When gas cars started to get reliable and
> over 30-40 miles between breakdowns the electrics died out. Strange that
> the horses were the last to go.
> Bill Baka

These went 2-3 times as far and they could have put charging stations in
instead of gas stations if you had to go further on a daily basis. I think
they carried 6 batteries. Goes like stink and quiet as a mouse. They gave
them to movie stars like Tom Hanks so they had to be something special and
longer between "breakdowns".

"Bill Baka" > wrote in message
.. .
> George Conklin wrote:
> > "Bill Baka" > wrote in message
> > t...
> >> Gas is going to have to hit $3 a gallon and stay there for the soccer
> >> mom crowd to realize they need a little Geo-Metro 3 banger just to run
> >> to the store for a pack of smokes, or some **** paper or other silly
> >> little errand. People are slow learners.
> >> Bill Baka
> >
> > It would need to more like $6 for anything much to happen. And besides,
> > people will always use their cars for shopping even if they take transit
to
> > work, for no fuel savings, but then the bill goes to the public in terms
of
> > subsidized fares.
> >
> >
> Yeah,
> The wallet forces people to make changes with less griping than any law
> ever has. What's wrong with carpooling and soccer-momming an SUV and
> using a toy car like the Geo for actual commuting?

Car pooling works only for workers who have a factory whistle to attend
to. White collar workers don't work those kind of fixed hours. Further, you
need to have a car to leave at home if you car pool. The law is set up to
make sure it fails.



Some of these people
> are so brain dead they say they can't afford 2 cars. HUH! They can
> afford the gas and the average $30G's for an SUV, so why not $14,000 for
> a new micro-car or even less for a used one?

Not suitable for car pooling anyway.


> Of course about 20% of Americans still smoke and about half drink
> alcohol, not to mention the drug users, and they know it's bad for them
> but they do it anyway.
> I guess you can't argue with idiots, especially if they think they have
> enough money to waste on those things.
> Sigh.
> Bill Baka
>
Actually drinking is good for you.

"Amy Blankenship" > wrote in message
...
>
> "George Conklin" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
> > These fake comparison compare a full bus with car with only the driver.
> > If
> > both were full, in transit service they would again be equal.
> > Long-distance
> > buses, NEVER trains, yield the biggest savings. But no one wants to
hear
> > what works. I know there are many train foamers, no bus foamers.
>
> I have never noticed busses being dirtier than trains.
>
>
According to the EPA, current trains are vastly polluting, much more so than
buses.

"Clark F Morris" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 21:44:40 GMT, "George Conklin"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >"Bill Baka" > wrote in message
> t...
> >> donquijote1954 wrote:
> >> > On Mar 4, 8:33 pm, "George Conklin" >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>>> I have a dream...that someday buses will not pollute. Actually we
> >> >>>> could make it happen now much easier than having all the cars be
> >> >>>> replaced with hybrid. Just change the fleet of buses to hydrogen
or
> >> >>>> some other technologies out there.
> >> >>>> We can make it happen with THE REVOLUTION. Coming soon...
> >> >>> Too optimistic. Somebody, somewhere is probably burning coal or oil
to
> >> >>> make the electricity to electrolyze the water to make the Hydrogen.
> >> >>> It only really works if the electricity comes from wind, solar,
hydro,
> >> >>> or, dare I say it, NUculear (Bush pronunciation).
> >> >>> Bill Baka
> >> >> Anything which makes a bus more efficient would make a car even more
> >> >> efficient than the bus. Right now transit buses waste fuel big
time.-
> >Hide quoted text -
> >> >
> >> > Only true if less than 7 passengers ride it. And still it means fewer
> >> > vehicles out there to feed traffic jams...
> >> >
> >> > Using Mass Transit
> >> > The key to mass transit is the word "mass". The more of us who use
it,
> >> > the more global warming pollution it saves. That's because a bus or
> >> > train releases more CO2 into the air than a car, but a bus or train
> >> > holds many, many more people and thus keeps all those cars off the
> >> > road.
> >> >
> >> > A bus with just 7 passengers is more fuel efficient than the average
> >> > car.
> >>
> >> How many carpoolers do you see crammed with 7 people?
> >> Reality check?
> >> Bill Baka
> >>
> >
> >
> > These fake comparison compare a full bus with car with only the driver.
If
> >both were full, in transit service they would again be equal.
Long-distance
> >buses, NEVER trains, yield the biggest savings. But no one wants to hear
> >what works. I know there are many train foamers, no bus foamers.
> >
> Ironically, given other statistics, in the rush hour, the bus is
> likely to be full over a good portion of the route while the car is
> more likely to be single occupant only. In the off peak, the bus
> normally is significantly less loaded while the car is more likely to
> have more than one person in it.
>
But the bus then has to go back empty for the next load. The car stays
put. This is the source of much fuel savings. And of course off-hour
service, needed for transit, is the source of a lot of wasted fuel too.


> Long distance buses may have greater fuel savings but that is at the
> cost of narrow and cramped seating. As someone who took the Acadian
> Lines bus on its journey that was almost twice as long as a car trip,
> I can state that the comfort for someone over 6 feet tall is nowhere
> near that of a standard Amfleet Corridor car. If Amfleet were to have
> 3 - 2 seating at a 32 inch seat spacing and no food service, a 5 car
> train would probably have the same or slightly more seat miles per
> gallon.