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Need your advice on a good inside automotive tire patch
I'm gonna patch my first automotive tire this week.
I need your advice on a good inside automotive tire patch as I got a flat today, switched with the spare, and went about a half mile to the nearest auto parts store. https://i.imgur.com/kb3a6rs.jpg All they had are bike-tire-type patches at the one auto parts store I stopped at today; they only had crappy passenger tire patches (little round things, very thin). I prefer rectangular-cut larger patches (dunno why - I just feel they might hold better). Those that are something like three or four inches long or so. I can easily remove the tire and replace it on the rim and balance it afterward so this question is only about the patch. I do not want to patch it from the outside because I feel that isn't as good as from inside. Where do you get your inside-tire automotive tire patches? What type of patch/glue/prep do you recommend? https://i.imgur.com/InL9A8y.jpg |
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Need your advice on a good inside automotive tire patch
WWS TEXAS wrote, on Mon, 07 Dec 2015 08:57:48 -0800:
> The "patch-plug" is the ideal tire repair as it combines the best > elements of the patch and plug worlds; the patch keeps the plug from > shifting out of place, and the plug helps the patch to stay secure to > the tire. I didn't know those existed, so thank you very much for the idea! Googling for "automotive tire patch plug" I see that the Rubber Manufacturers Association recommends them (www.betiresmart.org). http://www.rma.org/tire-safety/tire-repair/ I found the repair procedure he http://artsautomotive.com/publicatio...patch-or-plug/ I found a "steelman" brand 1/8th inch tire repair patch/plug unit. Is that a good brand? STEELMAN JSG381 1/8-Inch Tire Repair Patch/Plug Do you suggest any specific glues or tools that might not come with the patchplug set? |
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Need your advice on a good inside automotive tire patch
On 12/7/2015 12:15 PM, Danny D. wrote:
> WWS TEXAS wrote, on Mon, 07 Dec 2015 08:57:48 -0800: > >> The "patch-plug" is the ideal tire repair as it combines the best >> elements of the patch and plug worlds; the patch keeps the plug from >> shifting out of place, and the plug helps the patch to stay secure to >> the tire. > > I didn't know those existed, so thank you very much for the idea! > > Googling for "automotive tire patch plug" I see that the Rubber > Manufacturers Association recommends them (www.betiresmart.org). > http://www.rma.org/tire-safety/tire-repair/ > > I found the repair procedure he > http://artsautomotive.com/publicatio...patch-or-plug/ > > I found a "steelman" brand 1/8th inch tire repair patch/plug unit. > Is that a good brand? > STEELMAN JSG381 1/8-Inch Tire Repair Patch/Plug > > Do you suggest any specific glues or tools that might not come > with the patchplug set? > Interesting to learn this: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete....jsp?techid=77 Wondered why it cost me $30 to get a tire repaired a few years ago. The tire has held up well. |
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Need your advice on a good inside automotive tire patch
Frank wrote, on Mon, 07 Dec 2015 12:23:09 -0500:
> Interesting to learn this: > > http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete....jsp?techid=77 > > Wondered why it cost me $30 to get a tire repaired a few years ago. > The tire has held up well. Out here, at $100/hour shop rates, it could easily cost more just for the labor, plus you have to rebalance and they often destroy the valve and they are brutal on your expensive soft rims! I'm sick and tired of the brutish monkeys prying off my BBS hubcaps with screwdrivers, damaging the soft rims, torquing the lug bolts to 100 foot pounds instead of 84, not removing the old weights when balancing, putting the same psi into all four wheels, etc. They're just horrid. So, I'm just gonna do it myself. But that takes knowledge, so, I'm glad you pointed me to that web page. It shows that you don't want *air* to get in between the plies, so that's important to put the plug in there to prevent air from sneaking in between the plies. They call them "mushroom" patches in that article and they say that the patch keeps air in and the plug keeps air and moisture out of the plies. I just want to do the job right, instead of letting the monkeys do the job wrong. This will take all the advice you know of! |
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Need your advice on a good inside automotive tire patch
"Danny D." > wrote in message ... > WWS TEXAS wrote, on Mon, 07 Dec 2015 08:57:48 -0800: > >> The "patch-plug" is the ideal tire repair as it combines the best >> elements of the patch and plug worlds; the patch keeps the plug from >> shifting out of place, and the plug helps the patch to stay secure to >> the tire. > > I didn't know those existed, so thank you very much for the idea! > I worked at Sears changing and repairing tires and a few other minor repairs. They had plug/patches similar to them back in 1970. Used a lot of them. |
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Need your advice on a good inside automotive tire patch
Ralph Mowery wrote, on Mon, 07 Dec 2015 12:44:04 -0500:
> I worked at Sears changing and repairing tires and a few other minor > repairs. They had plug/patches similar to them back in 1970. Used a lot of > them. Yikes! I hate Sears! I promised myself in 1981 that I'd *never* go to Sears ever again! I tell everyone *not* to go to Sears! < begin rant > When I was young and stupid, I brought my 1970 clunker to Sears for a $100 alignment. The car had 90K miles on it and I had failed inspection (in those days, they lifted the front end and checked for suspension wear). I brought it to K-Mart, who, for something like $20 told me I needed to replace the idler arm, the pitman arm, and the tie rod ends. I replaced all of them, and started to do the alignment but quickly realized that I just didn't have the tools to MEASURE the angles correctly (and to convert inches to degrees, etc.). I got as far as doing the toe but gave up when it came to camber and caster. I had MARKED EVERYTHING though, with yellow nail polish, because I wanted a before-and-after look at things (I was pretty detailed, even then). So I take it to Sears, pay my $100, and watch they guy. He never once touched the car, but at one point, I was distracted by the shop asking me to pay so maybe he did the work while I wasn't looking? Anyway, I pay and drive home and put the car on a lift to snap pictures. Guess what. Not a single eccentric was touched! Not one. I could tell because I was sloppy with the nail polish and not a single bolt was even MOVED! The *******s. They stole my money. And my time. And, I'm sure, I wasn't the only one. I go back. I complain. They put it on the lift. Not a single thing was right except for the toe (which "I" had done myself!). Turns out, they mechanic *ADMITTED* he didn't do a thing! He said his charts only went back 10 years and my car was 11 years old! Can you believe that. I should have complained to high heaven and gotten a refund. I just let them re-align it. I wasn't as crotchety when I was young, but I would have complained to the district attorney or something had I been the age I am now. It's criminal what Sears does to rip off people. Absolutely criminal. I watch all my alignments like a hawk watching a mouse now. Sears sucks. I will *never* ever go to Sears for the rest of my life, and I make sure everyone knows how bad they are. The're criminals. I'm sorry you worked there, and I do apologize for the diatribe. It's not your fault they are criminals. It's their fault. < end rant > |
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Need your advice on a good inside automotive tire patch
On Mon, 7 Dec 2015 16:45:40 -0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
> wrote: >I'm gonna patch my first automotive tire this week. I just use "strings", with rubber cement, and it works well. I follow the instructions. I used to use "plugs'. My probe/rasp tool finally broke, so I bought a better quality one. Maybe I bought a better quality of both. >I need your advice on a good inside automotive tire patch >as I got a flat today, switched with the spare, and went >about a half mile to the nearest auto parts store. > https://i.imgur.com/kb3a6rs.jpg > >All they had are bike-tire-type patches at the one auto parts >store I stopped at today; they only had crappy passenger tire >patches (little round things, very thin). > >I prefer rectangular-cut larger patches (dunno why - I just >feel they might hold better). Those that are something like >three or four inches long or so. > >I can easily remove the tire and replace it on the rim >and balance it afterward so this question is only about >the patch. I do not want to patch it from the outside >because I feel that isn't as good as from inside. > >Where do you get your inside-tire automotive tire patches? >What type of patch/glue/prep do you recommend? > https://i.imgur.com/InL9A8y.jpg |
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Need your advice on a good inside automotive tire patch
"Danny D." > wrote in message ... > Ralph Mowery wrote, on Mon, 07 Dec 2015 12:44:04 -0500: > > > Yikes! I hate Sears! I promised myself in 1981 that I'd *never* go > to Sears ever again! I tell everyone *not* to go to Sears! > >> > Turns out, they mechanic *ADMITTED* he didn't do a thing! > He said his charts only went back 10 years and my car was 11 years > old! Can you believe that. > > I should have complained to high heaven and gotten a refund. > I just let them re-align it. > > I wasn't as crotchety when I was young, but I would have complained > to the district attorney or something had I been the age I am now. > > It's criminal what Sears does to rip off people. > Absolutely criminal. > > I watch all my alignments like a hawk watching a mouse now. > Sears sucks. I will *never* ever go to Sears for the rest of my > life, and I make sure everyone knows how bad they are. > > The're criminals. > I'm sorry you worked there, and I do apologize for the diatribe. > It's not your fault they are criminals. It's their fault. > I was about 19 at the time. Just a part time job while in school. I don't know about the quality of work, but at that store I know they did make an attempt at doing whatever was suspose to be done, maybe others don't. I do know lots of places will rip you off. Local Ford dealer did to a friend. He took a car with a V8 to get the plugs changed. It came back with the same miss in the engine it had. They only changed 7 plugs as the 8th was very hard to get to. He went back and complained and was asked how he knew the plug was not changed. He said because 7 were of one brand and the hard to get to was another. I hate that a local 'shade tree mechanic' got too old and quit. He was an honest man and good at what he did. I had him to do several jobs for me like changing a timing belt. He recommended a few othe things such as the water pump as it was driven by the belt and all it was 4 bolts to do it. Said it would not be any more labor and just his cost of the part. Bet not many if any dealers would do that. |
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Need your advice on a good inside automotive tire patch
On 12/7/2015 12:39 PM, Danny D. wrote:
> Frank wrote, on Mon, 07 Dec 2015 12:23:09 -0500: > >> Interesting to learn this: >> >> http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete....jsp?techid=77 >> >> Wondered why it cost me $30 to get a tire repaired a few years ago. >> The tire has held up well. > > Out here, at $100/hour shop rates, it could easily cost more just > for the labor, plus you have to rebalance and they often destroy > the valve and they are brutal on your expensive soft rims! > > I'm sick and tired of the brutish monkeys prying off my BBS > hubcaps with screwdrivers, damaging the soft rims, torquing > the lug bolts to 100 foot pounds instead of 84, not removing > the old weights when balancing, putting the same psi into > all four wheels, etc. They're just horrid. > > So, I'm just gonna do it myself. > > But that takes knowledge, so, I'm glad you pointed me to that > web page. It shows that you don't want *air* to get in between > the plies, so that's important to put the plug in there to > prevent air from sneaking in between the plies. > > They call them "mushroom" patches in that article and they > say that the patch keeps air in and the plug keeps air and > moisture out of the plies. > > I just want to do the job right, instead of letting the monkeys > do the job wrong. This will take all the advice you know of! > > > > Until I looked into your problem, I thought they were just plugging from the exterior and NTW (believe Sears owned) said they had to patch from inside. My flat was on a Sunday and I took it to NTW as dealer where I bought tires and repairs my car was closed. I had extended warranty as AWD on Subaru requires all 4 tires are equal. Company would not honor warranty since I did not return to where I bought them but the shop where I bought them reimbursed me. |
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Need your advice on a good inside automotive tire patch
Frank wrote, on Mon, 07 Dec 2015 13:13:37 -0500:
> Company would not honor warranty since I did not return to where I > bought them but the shop where I bought them reimbursed me. I make every mistake you can make, and I've made that buying tires by warranty mistake also. In addition, I bought the useless extended warranty. Once I tried to return a tire I thought wore too early and the tire under warranty would cost MORE than a tire NOT under warranty because I had to have THEM do it, and I had to pay for the mounting and balancing and I originally bought it on sale where it was no longer on sale (although I could get it from Tire Rack cheaper!). End result, even *with* the pro-rated warranty, the replacement tire under warranty cost more than that same tire (same exact brand and model!) not on warranty! Likewise, I have paid for the extended warranty, which, when you bring a tire back, they told me that alignment wasn't covered (which may be true - but then why did I bother). So I never buy extended or by warranty ever again. Also, I used to get tires at Costco for the "free" mounting and balancing and repair, but, unfortunately, the *wait* at Costco is forever (hours and hours) so it's not worth it unless you drop it off and come back (which isn't convenient for me). So, I forgo all warranties and just buy tires from Tire Rack by performance and price and fit. And I mount them myself now that Harbor Freight sells that nice red mounting kit. And I balance them statically, very carefully - and since they have expensive rims, they're almost perfect and don't vibrate at all. Who knew that dynamic balancing was a waste? I didn't. Until I tried the static balancing. Which so far works perfectly for me. |
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