Death of r.a.s.

(ymenard) wrote:

> Sales of Papy sims (they were in the top 10 yearly sellers at one
> time). Sales of Geoff Crammond sims (also in the top 10 yearly
> sellers at one time).

All part of the "democratisation" of PC-use... or perhaps technology
use. Until the late 90's PCs were still mainly for enthusiasts, and such
a serious hobby meant "serious" sims were very popular because they
appeal to the same kind of mindset.

Now PCs are like toasters, everyone has one. So the interests of PC
gamers are more mainstream and less serious. But now consoles are
increasingly claiming such people, so PC gaming will naturally shrink
back towards its serious core of (nerdy :-) users.

Andrew McP

> Sales of Papy sims (they were in the top 10 yearly sellers at one time).
> Sales of Geoff Crammond sims (also in the top 10 yearly sellers at one
> time).

That was back when PC gaming wasn't mainstream.

> Yes yes we saw the incredible numbers of PC racing sim developpers showing
> off their upcoming release at E3.

Actually the GTR 2 trailer was shown at E3. Both PC and Xbox 360 version.

Byron Forbes wrote:

> We need a governing body and centralisation that deliver "WORLD" series!

I think you are right although previous attempts (FILSCA) haven't
exactly met with universal approval.

Of course we will have iRacing who stated in their original aims:

"...FIRST-Racing.net will deliver the next step. And, that next step
will incorporate new technology to heighten the realism as well as a
sanctioning body to launch a truly global online sport."

Please ignore the fact they started a sentence with a conjunction as
this post could go so OT as to muck up ymenard's stats for the
predicting the end of the world

Cheers
Tony

In article <4466c4de$0$17541$61c65585@un-2park-reader-
01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au>, says...

<snip>

> As far as things being quiet around here goes, I'd agree with the fact
> that ISPs are tending to not supply access to usenet as standard - if at
> all! A failing of government if you ask me - all governments should make
> usenet access free to their citizens.
>

Let's hope that isn't a trend. If ISPs start to give up on the idea of
newsgroups then Google/Groups is won't be the 'Oracle' of information
that it is nowadays. The amount of times that has provided me with the
info I require and saved the day I couldn't estimate. With no default
NGs (which I presume would only leave subscription services), then the
amount of information available to search is going to be reduced
severely.


--
Pete Ives
Remove All_stRESS before sending me an email

Yeah, I think a world-wide racing sim block buster would fuel things in
here. But we all know that isn't going to happen.

The competition is fiercer than back in the heyday of Indycar II and
GP2, and GPL a bit later, so we simply won't see one single product to
create a "reborn" attitude in here.

Back then things went around without intervention, since the enthousiasm
and energy levels were so high due to the quantum leaps made in the sim
dept. at that time. These days, racing sims are a matter of personal
taste and feeling, you can't find another 2 secs per lap by tweaking
your setup in absurdum, so nobody to flame there, no obvious flaws to
exploit, no chances to cheat your way into a sim.

And we all got 10 years older since GPL, some of us have other stuff to
do, or more correctly, we prioritize differently.

The thing is: RAS will never be the same, but that is ok, since times
change, we change, racing sims change.

---A---

On 14.05.2006 07:02, ymenard wrote:
> wrote
>>Where do you get the idea PC racing simulations was ever a mainstream
>>market?
>
>
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> Sales of Papy sims (they were in the top 10 yearly sellers at one time).
> Sales of Geoff Crammond sims (also in the top 10 yearly sellers at one
> time).
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>
>

Peter wrote:
> In article <4466c4de$0$17541$61c65585@un-2park-reader-
> 01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au>, says...
>
> <snip>
>
>> As far as things being quiet around here goes, I'd agree with the fact
>> that ISPs are tending to not supply access to usenet as standard - if at
>> all! A failing of government if you ask me - all governments should make
>> usenet access free to their citizens.
>>
>
> Let's hope that isn't a trend. If ISPs start to give up on the idea of
> newsgroups then Google/Groups is won't be the 'Oracle' of information
> that it is nowadays. The amount of times that has provided me with the
> info I require and saved the day I couldn't estimate. With no default
> NGs (which I presume would only leave subscription services), then the
> amount of information available to search is going to be reduced
> severely.
>
>
Comcast has just about forced you to pay for NG access... They give you
2 GB usage per month. I didnt even bother signing up for limited access.
I actually pay a company to read/post in this newsgroup in addition to
giving me access to unrestriced USENET areas. So it is just a matter of
time before most ISP drop USENET access for free

"Asgeir Nesoen" > wrote in message
...
> Yeah, I think a world-wide racing sim block buster would fuel things in
> here. But we all know that isn't going to happen.
>
> The competition is fiercer than back in the heyday of Indycar II and GP2,
> and GPL a bit later, so we simply won't see one single product to create a
> "reborn" attitude in here.
>
> Back then things went around without intervention, since the enthousiasm
> and energy levels were so high due to the quantum leaps made in the sim
> dept. at that time. These days, racing sims are a matter of personal taste
> and feeling, you can't find another 2 secs per lap by tweaking your setup
> in absurdum, so nobody to flame there, no obvious flaws to exploit, no
> chances to cheat your way into a sim.
>
> And we all got 10 years older since GPL, some of us have other stuff to
> do, or more correctly, we prioritize differently.
>
> The thing is: RAS will never be the same, but that is ok, since times
> change, we change, racing sims change.
>

There are a lot of us that have been here since the first NASCAR Racing from
Papy. I was already in my 40s..........jeese.......you have to bring that
up..........:-)

Ed

"Steve Simpson" > wrote in
:

> Actually the GTR 2 trailer was shown at E3. Both PC and Xbox 360
> version.
>

GTR2 trailer... is that like the RL bus?

Did this NG exist in 94' when Nascar 1 hit the shelves? My first visit was
April 96' and I didnt think it had been around very long at that point.

Mitch

"Ed Medlin" > wrote in message news:P1%9g.72487
>
> There are a lot of us that have been here since the first NASCAR Racing
> from Papy. I was already in my 40s..........jeese.......you have to bring
> that up..........:-)
>
> Ed
>