New German car battery.

If you want to Google it, whatever. inhabitat.com Germans develop car battery that can last 27 years

On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 12:48:53 PM UTC-4, JR wrote:
> If you want to Google it, whatever. inhabitat.com Germans develop car battery that can last 27 years

I don't even want to look at the price for one.

On 7/16/2013 6:48 AM, JR wrote:
> If you want to Google it, whatever. inhabitat.com Germans develop car battery that can last 27 years
>

My understanding is that the batteries in the early days lasted longer.
When you got rid of a car, you'd take the battery out to use in another
car. What's the low down on this? Can it be true?

On Sunday, 21 July 2013 04:55:15 UTC+8, dsi1 wrote:
>
> My understanding is that the batteries in the early days lasted longer.
>
> When you got rid of a car, you'd take the battery out to use in another
>
> car. What's the low down on this? Can it be true?

The lead-acid battery hasn't changed that much. I can only speculate that
some new batteries have more thinner plates to get more CCA in a small
package. Or maybe old yank tanks (18-foot long cars with soft springs) did
not jolt the batteries so much.

> wrote:
>On Sunday, 21 July 2013 04:55:15 UTC+8, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> My understanding is that the batteries in the early days lasted longer.
>>
>> When you got rid of a car, you'd take the battery out to use in another
>>
>> car. What's the low down on this? Can it be true?
>
>The lead-acid battery hasn't changed that much. I can only speculate that
>some new batteries have more thinner plates to get more CCA in a small
>package. Or maybe old yank tanks (18-foot long cars with soft springs) did
>not jolt the batteries so much.

1. Batteries did last longer because the plates were big and thick, because
they HAD to be big and thick because the regulation was poor or even
nonexistent.

2. Sulfation wasn't an issue because the regulation was poor, and if it was
on some batteries you could pop them apart, scrape them down, and put them
back together.

3. Batteries were very, very expensive. That's the real issue. You buy a new
car, you move the tires and battery from the old car because tires and
batteries were a substantial cost. These days, they are far cheaper.
--scott

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On 07/21/2013 07:35 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> > wrote:
>> On Sunday, 21 July 2013 04:55:15 UTC+8, dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>> My understanding is that the batteries in the early days lasted longer.
>>>
>>> When you got rid of a car, you'd take the battery out to use in another
>>>
>>> car. What's the low down on this? Can it be true?
>>
>> The lead-acid battery hasn't changed that much. I can only speculate that
>> some new batteries have more thinner plates to get more CCA in a small
>> package. Or maybe old yank tanks (18-foot long cars with soft springs) did
>> not jolt the batteries so much.
>
> 1. Batteries did last longer because the plates were big and thick, because
> they HAD to be big and thick because the regulation was poor or even
> nonexistent.
>
> 2. Sulfation wasn't an issue because the regulation was poor, and if it was
> on some batteries you could pop them apart, scrape them down, and put them
> back together.
>
> 3. Batteries were very, very expensive. That's the real issue. You buy a new
> car, you move the tires and battery from the old car because tires and
> batteries were a substantial cost. These days, they are far cheaper.
> --scott
>

Big thick plates also meant that the battery had lower capacity, so you
win some, you lose some.

I'm surprised that manufacturers are still using wet batteries when SLA,
AGM, spiral-cell, etc. seem to be proven technologies. I still see
problems today with lead-acid batteries leaking and ruining cables,
bodywork, etc. Some designs also seem to be better than others as far
as mitigating these effects; my Jeep has a plastic battery tray with a
drain hole/funnel arrangement which is great... but even that one still
needed a new battery, new cables, and a new hold down when I bought it.

I know BMW is moving toward using AGM batteries... is anyone else?

nate

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On Sunday, July 21, 2013 7:38:49 AM UTC-5, Nate Nagel wrote:
> On 07/21/2013 07:35 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>
> > > wrote:
>
> >> On Sunday, 21 July 2013 04:55:15 UTC+8, dsi1 wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>> My understanding is that the batteries in the early days lasted longer.

JR wrote:
> {snip}
>
> An old ''trick'' I once read many years ago in Popular Science (maybe it was Popular Mechanics) magazine. Once each year, remove the battery and drain the acid into something, then have the battery upside down and use a garden hose to flush the crud from the battery. Pour the acid back into the battery and top up with new acid if needed. Suppose to make the battery last longer.

and if you pick the right spot on the lawn to do that, you can solve a
pesky weed problem too

GW
(typed while avoiding Sunday ward work)

Geoff Welsh wrote:
> JR wrote:
>> {snip}
>>
>> An old ''trick'' I once read many years ago in Popular Science (maybe
>> it was Popular Mechanics) magazine. Once each year, remove the battery
>> and drain the acid into something, then have the battery upside down
>> and use a garden hose to flush the crud from the battery. Pour the
>> acid back into the battery and top up with new acid if needed. Suppose
>> to make the battery last longer.
>
> and if you pick the right spot on the lawn to do that, you can solve a
> pesky weed problem too
>
> GW
> (typed while avoiding Sunday ward work)

Or unclog a drain.

Paul in Houston TX wrote:
> Geoff Welsh wrote:
>> JR wrote:
>>> {snip}
>>>
>>> An old ''trick'' I once read many years ago in Popular Science (maybe
>>> it was Popular Mechanics) magazine. Once each year, remove the
>>> battery and drain the acid into something, then have the battery
>>> upside down and use a garden hose to flush the crud from the battery.
>>> Pour the acid back into the battery and top up with new acid if
>>> needed. Suppose to make the battery last longer.
>>
>> and if you pick the right spot on the lawn to do that, you can solve a
>> pesky weed problem too
>>
>> GW
>> (typed while avoiding Sunday ward work)
>
> Or unclog a drain.

crap...that's something else I need to do today
GW