Strange happening very suddenly on 98 T&C

Message here is primarily for Glenn Beasley but if anyone has an idea chime
in!
So my dad who lives over an hour away has a 98 T&C with 3.8. He calls me and
says it doesn't run right "won't idle" and he's getting MIL light at times.
So I look at it yesterday and my Mac scanner shows no codes. Even though the
mil is on most times. The ASD, ETAX and fuel pump relays are all clicking
away madly, and when the mil comes on so does the cruise control light.
Now my mother indicated she has seen the CC light turning itslef on and off
for quite some time now but thought it was her fault and didn't tell m eor
my dad. So now I have this. The odd thing is last Firday evening they went a
short distance to my sister's home had supper and when they were on the way
home (about 4 miles or so) this began. He got it into the driveway but that
was all.
So this thing will sputter and spit with relays going nuts and lights
blinking, no codes stored and than at times it will settle down and be
smooth as glass. Than out of the blue it al starts again.
So ideas?
Thanks
Joe

jdoe Wrote:
> Message here is primarily for Glenn Beasley but if anyone has an idea
> chime
> in!
> So my dad who lives over an hour away has a 98 T&C with 3.8. He calls
> me and
> says it doesn't run right "won't idle" and he's getting MIL light at
> times.
> So I look at it yesterday and my Mac scanner shows no codes. Even
> though the
> mil is on most times. The ASD, ETAX and fuel pump relays are all
> clicking
> away madly, and when the mil comes on so does the cruise control light.
> Now my mother indicated she has seen the CC light turning itslef on and
> off
> for quite some time now but thought it was her fault and didn't tell m
> eor
> my dad. So now I have this. The odd thing is last Firday evening they
> went a
> short distance to my sister's home had supper and when they were on the
> way
> home (about 4 miles or so) this began. He got it into the driveway but
> that
> was all.
> So this thing will sputter and spit with relays going nuts and lights
> blinking, no codes stored and than at times it will settle down and be
> smooth as glass. Than out of the blue it al starts again.
> So ideas?
> Thanks
> Joe have u tried a wiggle test? where with the ignition switched on ,you
wiggle various wires.it does sound like a very poor electrical
connection somewhere


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Yeah my thought too but I did not have alot of time yeasterday. I am going
back today with a meter and more tools and my other car that I can perhaps
swap a part or two from as they are the same vehicles. Was just curious if
anyonen had ever seen this situation.
"jonnyald" > wrote in message
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>
> jdoe Wrote:
>> Message here is primarily for Glenn Beasley but if anyone has an idea
>> chime
>> in!
>> So my dad who lives over an hour away has a 98 T&C with 3.8. He calls
>> me and
>> says it doesn't run right "won't idle" and he's getting MIL light at
>> times.
>> So I look at it yesterday and my Mac scanner shows no codes. Even
>> though the
>> mil is on most times. The ASD, ETAX and fuel pump relays are all
>> clicking
>> away madly, and when the mil comes on so does the cruise control light.
>> Now my mother indicated she has seen the CC light turning itslef on and
>> off
>> for quite some time now but thought it was her fault and didn't tell m
>> eor
>> my dad. So now I have this. The odd thing is last Firday evening they
>> went a
>> short distance to my sister's home had supper and when they were on the
>> way
>> home (about 4 miles or so) this began. He got it into the driveway but
>> that
>> was all.
>> So this thing will sputter and spit with relays going nuts and lights
>> blinking, no codes stored and than at times it will settle down and be
>> smooth as glass. Than out of the blue it al starts again.
>> So ideas?
>> Thanks
>> Joe have u tried a wiggle test? where with the ignition switched on ,you
> wiggle various wires.it does sound like a very poor electrical
> connection somewhere
>
>
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jdoe wrote:
> Yeah my thought too but I did not have alot of time yeasterday. I am going
> back today with a meter and more tools and my other car that I can perhaps
> swap a part or two from as they are the same vehicles. Was just curious if
> anyonen had ever seen this situation.


I saw a 99 voyager do that after the battery had been connected
backwards and then connected the right way.

"jdoe" > wrote in message
m...
> Message here is primarily for Glenn Beasley but if anyone has an idea
chime
> in!
> So my dad who lives over an hour away has a 98 T&C with 3.8. He calls me
and
> says it doesn't run right "won't idle" and he's getting MIL light at
times.
> So I look at it yesterday and my Mac scanner shows no codes. Even though
the
> mil is on most times. The ASD, ETAX and fuel pump relays are all clicking
> away madly, and when the mil comes on so does the cruise control light.
> Now my mother indicated she has seen the CC light turning itslef on and
off
> for quite some time now but thought it was her fault and didn't tell m eor
> my dad. So now I have this. The odd thing is last Firday evening they went
a
> short distance to my sister's home had supper and when they were on the
way
> home (about 4 miles or so) this began. He got it into the driveway but
that
> was all.
> So this thing will sputter and spit with relays going nuts and lights
> blinking, no codes stored and than at times it will settle down and be
> smooth as glass. Than out of the blue it al starts again.
> So ideas?
> Thanks
> Joe
>
>
Start with making sure the battery is in good shape with a good charge.
Anything that could pull down the 5 volt sensor could also be causing this
problem such as a shorted cam or crank sensor or any one of the modules
including PCM and TCM. You are almost going to have to have your scan tool
connected when this happens to see what these sensors are doing. If not a
co-pilot may be needed.

Glenn Beasley
Chrysler Tech

clean battery terminals for starters

jdoe wrote:

> Message here is primarily for Glenn Beasley but if anyone has an idea chime
> in!
> So my dad who lives over an hour away has a 98 T&C with 3.8. He calls me and
> says it doesn't run right "won't idle" and he's getting MIL light at times.
> So I look at it yesterday and my Mac scanner shows no codes. Even though the
> mil is on most times. The ASD, ETAX and fuel pump relays are all clicking
> away madly, and when the mil comes on so does the cruise control light.
> Now my mother indicated she has seen the CC light turning itslef on and off
> for quite some time now but thought it was her fault and didn't tell m eor
> my dad. So now I have this. The odd thing is last Firday evening they went a
> short distance to my sister's home had supper and when they were on the way
> home (about 4 miles or so) this began. He got it into the driveway but that
> was all.
> So this thing will sputter and spit with relays going nuts and lights
> blinking, no codes stored and than at times it will settle down and be
> smooth as glass. Than out of the blue it al starts again.
> So ideas?
> Thanks
> Joe

"jdoe" > wrote in message
m...
> Message here is primarily for Glenn Beasley but if anyone has an idea
chime
> in!
> So my dad who lives over an hour away has a 98 T&C with 3.8. He calls me
and
> says it doesn't run right "won't idle" and he's getting MIL light at
times.
> So I look at it yesterday and my Mac scanner shows no codes. Even though
the
> mil is on most times. The ASD, ETAX and fuel pump relays are all clicking
> away madly, and when the mil comes on so does the cruise control light.
> Now my mother indicated she has seen the CC light turning itslef on and
off
> for quite some time now but thought it was her fault and didn't tell m eor
> my dad. So now I have this. The odd thing is last Firday evening they went
a
> short distance to my sister's home had supper and when they were on the
way
> home (about 4 miles or so) this began. He got it into the driveway but
that
> was all.
> So this thing will sputter and spit with relays going nuts and lights
> blinking, no codes stored and than at times it will settle down and be
> smooth as glass. Than out of the blue it al starts again.
> So ideas?
> Thanks
> Joe
>
>
Second try

Start with making sure the battery is in good shape with a good charge.
Anything that could pull down the 5 volt sensor could also be causing this
problem such as a shorted cam or crank sensor or any one of the modules
including PCM and TCM. You are almost going to have to have your scan tool
connected when this happens to see what these sensors are doing. If not a
co-pilot may be needed.

Glenn Beasley
Chrysler Tech

THanks Glenn & everyone else,
I did all that and even had my scan tool on co-pilot. For some reason it
won't see the crank or cam sensors, and won't give me a cause for the mil.
So I am having dad tow it to a trusted tech with much better equip. than I
have. I have my suspicions that it may the engine control computer.
J
"maxpower" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "jdoe" > wrote in message
> m...
>> Message here is primarily for Glenn Beasley but if anyone has an idea
> chime
>> in!
>> So my dad who lives over an hour away has a 98 T&C with 3.8. He calls me
> and
>> says it doesn't run right "won't idle" and he's getting MIL light at
> times.
>> So I look at it yesterday and my Mac scanner shows no codes. Even though
> the
>> mil is on most times. The ASD, ETAX and fuel pump relays are all clicking
>> away madly, and when the mil comes on so does the cruise control light.
>> Now my mother indicated she has seen the CC light turning itslef on and
> off
>> for quite some time now but thought it was her fault and didn't tell m
>> eor
>> my dad. So now I have this. The odd thing is last Firday evening they
>> went
> a
>> short distance to my sister's home had supper and when they were on the
> way
>> home (about 4 miles or so) this began. He got it into the driveway but
> that
>> was all.
>> So this thing will sputter and spit with relays going nuts and lights
>> blinking, no codes stored and than at times it will settle down and be
>> smooth as glass. Than out of the blue it al starts again.
>> So ideas?
>> Thanks
>> Joe
>>
>>
> Second try
>
> Start with making sure the battery is in good shape with a good charge.
> Anything that could pull down the 5 volt sensor could also be causing this
> problem such as a shorted cam or crank sensor or any one of the modules
> including PCM and TCM. You are almost going to have to have your scan tool
> connected when this happens to see what these sensors are doing. If not a
> co-pilot may be needed.
>
> Glenn Beasley
> Chrysler Tech
>
>

Just a heads up Glenn. It was the computer :-(
"maxpower" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "jdoe" > wrote in message
> m...
>> Message here is primarily for Glenn Beasley but if anyone has an idea
> chime
>> in!
>> So my dad who lives over an hour away has a 98 T&C with 3.8. He calls me
> and
>> says it doesn't run right "won't idle" and he's getting MIL light at
> times.
>> So I look at it yesterday and my Mac scanner shows no codes. Even though
> the
>> mil is on most times. The ASD, ETAX and fuel pump relays are all clicking
>> away madly, and when the mil comes on so does the cruise control light.
>> Now my mother indicated she has seen the CC light turning itslef on and
> off
>> for quite some time now but thought it was her fault and didn't tell m
>> eor
>> my dad. So now I have this. The odd thing is last Firday evening they
>> went
> a
>> short distance to my sister's home had supper and when they were on the
> way
>> home (about 4 miles or so) this began. He got it into the driveway but
> that
>> was all.
>> So this thing will sputter and spit with relays going nuts and lights
>> blinking, no codes stored and than at times it will settle down and be
>> smooth as glass. Than out of the blue it al starts again.
>> So ideas?
>> Thanks
>> Joe
>>
>>
> Start with making sure the battery is in good shape with a good charge.
> Anything that could pull down the 5 volt sensor could also be causing this
> problem such as a shorted cam or crank sensor or any one of the modules
> including PCM and TCM. You are almost going to have to have your scan tool
> connected when this happens to see what these sensors are doing. If not a
> co-pilot may be needed.
>
> Glenn Beasley
> Chrysler Tech
>
>

let me know what they find

Glenn