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French And CERN Build Massive Particle Accelerator (Black Hole Generator) Unknown Planetary Risk To Create BIG BANG
Yeah, if there has never been a micro black hole generated by some of
those NASCAR collisions then nothing could ever generate one! "Rod's work news" > wrote in message ... > It's actually been misreported. They've simply built a European NASCAR > oval and placed it underground so that weather won't be an issue (because > NASCAR scheduling only includes one European stop .... so weather poses a > real issue wrt costing the event). Grandstand seats will be plentiful .... > but a bitch to get to. I've also heard rumours that ventilation could be > an issue. > > > "Doomsday Machine" > wrote in message > news:qM4Sj.232108$pM4.116624@pd7urf1no... >> French And CERN Build Massive Particle Accelerator (Black Hole Generator) >> Unknown Planetary Risk To Create BIG BANG >> >> French Build Massive Particle Accelerator (Black Hole Generator) >> Old Dying Physicists want to go out with a BIG BANG >> >> What are we talking about? >> >> Many helpful Links and Video links at end of post. >> >> http://lhcconcerns.com/ >> >> In May of 2008 the largest, most expensive scientific experiment, The >> Large >> Hadron Collider will be completed. This mechanical behemoth located along >> the French and Swiss border with a total estimated circumference of 17 >> miles >> will be the most powerful particle accelerator in existence. The >> principal >> behind a particle accelerator is that by speeding up the smallest >> elements >> of matter and then colliding them together that they can be broken down >> further into even smaller fundamental particles, just as Atoms were once >> thought to be the smallest units, so then were Quarks(Up and Down), >> Electrons, and Protons discovered. >> >> The Large Hadron Collide is hoped to discover what is referred to as the >> "Higgs Boson". Although a theoretical scalar particle theorized by Peter >> Higgs in 1974, it is actually a member of the standard model, and it is >> believed that the Higgs Boson is what gives matter "mass". To achieve the >> observation of the Higgs Boson, the LHC will be smashing these Hadrons >> (specifically Protons) together at speeds almost unimaginable to the >> average >> person, at near c( .99999999 % the speed of light). >> >> To quantify the types of collisions, it must be pointed out that two >> beams >> will be set to collide with each other, each beam of protons contains >> roughly 2,800 Protons with an energy of 7 TeV (1 Teraelectron Volt = >> 1.60217646 x 10-7 joules) so the combined energies will be 14 TeV. >> Although >> such energies in collisions are certainly occurring every day in space, >> this >> will be the first time that energies such as these will be observed on >> Earth, however what is alarming to us are the myriad of other >> possibilities >> that could arise. >> >> Why haven't I heard about this before? >> >> Honestly, this is a good question, I seem to come accross this response a >> lot, it seems that in general most people have never heard of the LHC, or >> even particle acclerators in general, I am aware that there has been a >> lot >> more coverage of this in the UK then the America's (probably due to it's >> geographical location), but also I suppose the main reason why it is not >> covered that often in the states is because of a general lack of >> interest, >> or the belief that the general public is probably incapable of >> understanding >> something so complex. Still however there are several Documentaries and >> other programs/magazines that have covered the LHC, so I'm not fully sure >> why some people have not heard about this as from a financial perspective >> it's the most expsenive (8.2 Billion Dollars) and most powerful >> scientific >> Expirement of al time. >> >> Why We're Concerned >> >> To explain the concern thoroughly and accurately it has to be stated that >> the Large Hadron Collider in Geneva is not the first particle accelerator >> in >> history. In 1929 the Cyclotron, invented and developed by Ernest O. >> Lawrence, was the first particle accelerator, and from that initial >> invention over several decades we have come into a new breed of Larger >> and >> More Powerful Particle Accelerators. Although we have had particle >> accelerators in the past, The luminosity at which these operate has >> increased dramatically, in fact it is true that prior to the construction >> of >> the RHIC (Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider) such theories as MBH >> Production, >> Strangelets, and several other theories were placed on the table as >> relevant >> possibilities. >> >> So, what's different this time? >> >> This is the point that has to be emphasized, this time things are quite >> different, a study was conducted after initial concerns for the RHIC were >> explored, and to their conclusion the amount of energy necessary for >> these >> scenarios was not sufficient. The Large Hadron Collider operates at a >> total >> combined energy of 14TeV, which is a lot higher than the energies >> generated >> by the RHIC, as such the possibility of Black Hole creation is a reality, >> in >> fact on CERN's own web site they admit it could create Black Holes, here >> is >> an excerpt from Safety at the LHC >> >> "If the LHC can produce microscopic black holes, cosmic rays of much >> higher energies would already have produced many more. Since the Earth is >> still here, there is no reason to believe that collisions inside the LHC >> are >> harmful. Black holes lose matter through the emission of energy via a >> process discovered by Stephen Hawking. Any black hole that cannot attract >> matter, such as those that might be produced at the LHC, will shrink, >> evaporate and disappear. The smaller the black hole, the faster it >> vanishes. >> If microscopic black holes were to be found at the LHC, they would exist >> only for a fleeting moment. They would be so short-lived that the only >> way >> they could be detected would be by detecting the products of their >> decay." >> We'll cover the theoretical problem of this statement in the next >> section. >> >> So, what's the problem? >> >> In theory (according to Hawking Radiation) any Black Hole created would >> evaporate in Femtoseconds, not having the chance to accrete any mass, and >> being essentially harmless, although this is comforting in theory, It has >> never been proven, and in fact has been questioned before. The problem is >> that although most people in the physics community believe in Hawkings >> Radiation, it has no basis in observation. In 2003 Adam D. Helfer >> Published >> a paper concerning Hawking's Radiation coming to the conclusion that >> Hawking's Radiation may in fact be incorrect, and that a Black Hole would >> not lose mass in such a way. (For the full text of this document go here >> Paper By Adam D. Helfer on Hawking Radiation.) >> >> In fact since the LHC has been on the drawing board several studies and >> theories which have gained a lot of support in the scientific community >> such >> as "String Theory" and "Extra-Large Hidden Dimensions" have surfaced, >> which >> do indeed place the threshold for Black Hole Creation much lower than >> previously thought. >> >> The main problem lies in believing in theory as fact, every argument for >> safety made concerning Black Holes and thier creation immediately >> references >> Hawking Radiation, however, if Hawking Radiation turns out to be >> incorrect >> then the Black Hole would continue to accrete mass at an exponential >> rate. >> >> Now Hold on, No one would willingly create a machine that would create >> Black >> Holes on Purpose? >> >> Of course not, I highly doubt the thousands of scientists involved wish >> to >> usher in Oblivion any quicker than politicians, however the danger lies >> in >> Theory being accepted as Fact, Adam D. Helfer Published a paper recently >> which outlines a very strong possibility that Hawkings Radiation may in >> fact >> not exist, which would actually fit in better with the Laws of >> Thermodynamics, at which Our current explanation and understanding of the >> nature of Black Holes has always been somewhat at Odds. >> >> Alright, so if a Black Hole created doesn't evaporate, what next? >> >> Here is another place that CERN's safety assessment is incapable of >> addressing, although these extremely high energy collisions each Proton >> beam >> is in fact coming from opposite directions, Over 2 thousand Protons in >> each >> beam will pretty much collide roughly in the middle, although no >> collision >> would create a particle exactly dead center, or "still", in a relative >> sense >> any MBH or fundamental particle created in such a manner (even with both >> beams at a speed of .99999999 c) would be in a relative sense, at Rest, >> or >> to elaborate the term at rest we mean lower than the necessary escape >> velocity to escape the Earth's own gravitational pull. >> >> At that point two hypothetical scenarios exist. It would either maintain >> a >> rather low orbit within our planet itself, slowly accreting mass at an >> exponential rate, or it's possible it may "gravitate" to the direct >> center >> of the planet in which case would accrete mass very quickly >> >> Wait a second, I've also heard of other dangers like "Strange Matter", >> "Bubble Nucleation", and "Magnetic Monopoles", why the focus on Black >> Holes? >> >> It is true that these scenarios are also possible, however the problem >> with >> representing them accurately is the true danger can never be quantified >> as >> None of these have been observed, however that does not mean the risk is >> zero. The very fact that this experiment is called an experiment is the >> prove a hypothesis, if the results were truly known then this would not >> be >> occurring in the first place. >> >> The Large Hadron Collider is going to be forcing Protons together in a >> very >> unnatural way, not only forcing them into groups of roughly 3,000 protons >> for the collisions, but exposing them to temperatures colder than space >> as >> well (1.9 K or -271 C). These types of collisions in a sense are >> unnatural >> because collisions at those speeds and temperature would never happen, >> meaning at the point of activation, no one will truly know these results >> until they occur, in a matter of Femtoseconds we would be placing the >> entire >> world in potential Danger. I've seen many websites calculate >> possiblity/problem or a percentage of risk, however without many of these >> theories as proof, there is no accurate way to calcuate them, So although >> the risk potential is unknown, the risk can never be calculated at zero. >> >> Although the credence given Strange Matter production, and it's >> subsequent >> catalytic behavior by the scientific community is not always mutual. >> Certain >> types of Strange Matter could be formed that would catalytically convert >> all >> matter that it touches into strange matter as well, although this is not >> as >> likely as creating a Black Hole, it's worth mentioning because it is a >> possibility. >> >> I want to learn more, where can I go? >> >> The internet is a good place, it brought you here, didn't it? Of course >> you >> could always visit the links on the site, and take part in our discussion >> on >> the forum, I would recommend familiarizing yourself with all the issues, >> and >> a basic understanding of Black Holes won't hurt either, of course I can >> always recommend reading A Brief History of Time or the Universe in a >> Nutshell there is always Google, for as many people as there are >> concerned, >> there are people who believe the danger is zero, it's important for you, >> to >> properly evaluate the facts and come to your own conclusion, of course we >> would like your support, however, the goal of this web site is >> information, >> discussion, action, and rationale, we are real people after all, and so >> are >> you. >> >> Thinking outside the box can't hurt either, I encourage you to Talk to a >> Professor at a local college, write a Letter to CERN, do whatever you >> need >> to do to inform yourself and make an informed decision, any contribution >> you >> make, even discussing with one other single person in the world, has the >> possibility to make all the difference. >> >> Links.. >> >> Large Hadron Collider >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider >> >> CERN >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CERN >> >> LHC Concerns >> >> http://lhcconcerns.com/ >> >> National Geograhic - The God Particle >> >> http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/20...achenbach-text >> >> BBC News - Lab Fireball May Have Been Black Hole >> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4357613.stm >> >> An Open Letter To Stephen Hawking >> >> http://lhcconcerns.com/LHCConcerns/F...c.php?f=2&t=72 >> >> Black Holes On Demand (George Street Journal) >> >> http://www.brown.edu/Administration/.../26GSJ10a.html >> >> CBC News - LHC >> >> http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/science/lhc.html >> >> New York Times - LHC Dangerous? >> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/15/sc...rssnyt&emc=rss >> >> LHC Legal Defense Fund >> >> http://www.lhcdefense.org/ >> >> MySpace STOP CERN Website >> >> http://www.myspace.com/stopcern >> >> LHC Risk Evaluation Forum >> >> http://www.risk-evaluation-forum.org/ >> >> YouTube music Video Of The Atom Smasher (LHC) Black Hole Generator >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOFSrS03wjE#GU5U2spHI_4 >> >> French Build Doomsday Machine >> >> http://www.misunderstooduniverse.com...ay_Machine.htm >> >> U-Tube Videos >> >> Documentery >> >> Large Hadron Collider - The Search For The Higgs [1 of 3] >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fJ6P...eature=related >> >> Large Hadron Collider - The Search For The Higgs [2 of 3] >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQNPp...eature=related >> >> Large Hadron Collider - The Search For The Higgs [3 of 3] >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XbKZ...eature=related >> >> The Large Hadron Collider: The End Of The Universe? >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPxYd...eature=related >> >> >> > > |
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French And CERN Build Massive Particle Accelerator (Black HoleGenerator) Unknown Planetary Risk To Create BIG BANG
Byron Forbes wrote:
> Yeah, if there has never been a micro black hole generated by some of > those NASCAR collisions then nothing could ever generate one! > There have been numerous black holes created by the collision of 2 or more Nascar vehicles, fortunately the only thing ever lost to one was the cans of beer the drivers were holding at the time. |
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