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  #41  
Old March 26th 05, 01:30 PM
Steve Smith
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No, John, unless yer deaf, dumb, blind and amoral, there are differences of
both degree and kind between terrorists like the ones who blew up the school
children in Beslan and the "Freedom Fighters" who took back their country in
Ukraine and are attempting to do so in Lebanon, despite the
politically-correct non-stance the BBC is trying to indoctrinate its
audience to believe. In you, it seems, they've succeeded. Hmmmpf!

"John Wallace" > wrote in message
...
> Steve Smith wrote:
> > Yeah, well, they refuse to call suicide bombers by their rightful

monikers,
> > instead naming them "freedom enthusiasts" or "Valhalla aspirants" or

some
> > such rubbish. They had to jettison one of their directors recently for
> > making unfounded allegations that Blair had knowingly misled the Brits

abt.
> > Iraq (the suicide scientist).

>
> Well, I'd certainly have chosen a word other than "unfounded" - in
> politics more so than anywhere else there's no smoke without fire. Dyke
> actually quit, but primarily in order that the BBC could undergo its own
> reform.
>
> I'd hate to line in a country where the BBC was "reformed" by new
> labour. We get all the news that's approved to hear by either Tony or
> Rupert. Still, if that were the case I'm sure we'd have "found" WMD in
> Iraq, Dr. Kelly would have been murdered by Al Quaeda, and the French
> wouldn't have won the world cup.
>
> One man's freedom fighter and all that....



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  #42  
Old March 26th 05, 10:08 PM
Connected
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On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:30:27 GMT, "Steve Smith"
> wrote:

>No, John, unless yer deaf, dumb, blind and amoral, there are differences of
>both degree and kind between terrorists like the ones who blew up the school
>children in Beslan and the "Freedom Fighters" who took back their country in
>Ukraine and are attempting to do so in Lebanon, despite the
>politically-correct non-stance the BBC is trying to indoctrinate its
>audience to believe. In you, it seems, they've succeeded. Hmmmpf!


The BBC just reports the news as it happens. Get off the meds.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi.html
  #43  
Old March 27th 05, 09:52 PM
John Wallace
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Steve Smith wrote:
> No, John, unless yer deaf, dumb, blind and amoral, there are differences of
> both degree and kind between terrorists like the ones who blew up the school
> children in Beslan and the "Freedom Fighters" who took back their country in
> Ukraine and are attempting to do so in Lebanon, despite the
> politically-correct non-stance the BBC is trying to indoctrinate its
> audience to believe. In you, it seems, they've succeeded. Hmmmpf!


Interesting argument - agree with you or accept that I'm deaf, dumb and
blind?

Russia was/is attempting to do in Chechnya what the US is doing in Iraq
and now Iran (that's not over by a *long* way). The US promises tens of
millions of dollars to Tajikistan, Uzbekistan looking for oil out of the
Caspian sea. Russia's own route to the Caspian Sea oil lies through
Chechnya, hence Putin's own "war on terrorism".

In Chechnya the Russians have attacked villages, blown up white flag
convoys. used weapons banned under the Geneva convention. But they are
"our allies" - Putin is Bush's "new close friend" - therefore the
"freedom fighters" become "the terrorists".

I may not agree with their methods, but then I don't agree with
Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, Mosul, or countless other atrocities. Right is
not the sole preserve of one side, and one incident does not change any
entire country into terrorists. They are still the wronged.
  #44  
Old March 28th 05, 10:17 AM
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What rubbish!
Wronged in whose eyes?

"John Wallace" > wrote in message
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> .....one incident does not change any entire country into terrorists. They

are still the wronged.


  #45  
Old March 28th 05, 02:23 PM
Steve Smith
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Exactly, Bruce. Are we supposed to weep for Al Qaida, too?

"Bruce Kennewell" > wrote in message
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> What rubbish!
> Wronged in whose eyes?
>
> "John Wallace" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > .....one incident does not change any entire country into terrorists.

They
> are still the wronged.
>
>



  #46  
Old March 28th 05, 04:19 PM
John Wallace
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Bruce Kennewell wrote:

> What rubbish!
> Wronged in whose eyes?
>
> "John Wallace" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>
>>.....one incident does not change any entire country into terrorists. They

> are still the wronged.


Wronged in that millions of innocents have died from cancers and we
denied them any treatment. Wronged in that we used depleted uranium
which caused those cancers. Wronged in that we cleaned up Kuwait, but
denied any such help or advice to Iraq, who had no experience of such
material, and could do nothing.

This is only one example - there are thousands of others. Around Basra
it is estimated that 40-48% of the population will develop cancers in
the coming years - that's HALF of an entire region.

Saddam was a tyrant, but what we have done to his people makes me
ashamed to be human, never mind ashamed to be British. How anyone could
justify that is beyond me.

</rubbish>
  #47  
Old March 28th 05, 05:08 PM
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This is the kind of rubbish you could have talked about a YEAR ago and you
might have been able to keep a straight face. Today what you say is nothing
but conspiratorial nonsense without ANY basis in fact or reality.

You can somehow try to justify your point of view by comparing the
POSSIBILITY of cancer vs the reality of a brutal murdering dictator is
actually about the saddest version of a brainwashed nut Ive ever heard or
seen.

Time to open your eyes to the reality of freedom in Iraq despite your
OBVIOUS liberal spin of how bad things are.

We wont even talk about how quickly freedom is breaking out ALL OVER the
Middle East including Palestine.

Yea, GW was wrong..... NOT!

SAD!


Mitch


"John Wallace" > wrote in message
> Wronged in that millions of innocents have died from cancers and we denied
> them any treatment. Wronged in that we used depleted uranium which caused
> those cancers. Wronged in that we cleaned up Kuwait, but denied any such
> help or advice to Iraq, who had no experience of such material, and could
> do nothing.
>
> This is only one example - there are thousands of others. Around Basra it
> is estimated that 40-48% of the population will develop cancers in the
> coming years - that's HALF of an entire region.
>
> Saddam was a tyrant, but what we have done to his people makes me ashamed
> to be human, never mind ashamed to be British. How anyone could justify
> that is beyond me.
>
> </rubbish>



  #48  
Old March 28th 05, 09:42 PM
alex martini
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Well enough now.

To begin with there are NO WMD in Iraq, so your justification for war was a
lie.

Secondly, since when does America get to decide what democracy is or is not?

Thirdly, if you're so convinced of free Iraq, I suggest a trip to Baghdad
for details.

Fourth, the fact that depleted uranium KILLS is just that - a fact - and the
fact that you would somehow decide that that FACT is a liberal agenda is
about as bizarre as saying that evolution is a theory (Kansas, maybe?).

More than that, the idea that the US - who armed, encouraged and paid for
Saddam's war with Iran in which countless millions were gassed and killed,
are suddenly the bringers of democracy to Iraq is laughable. Moreover, the
idea that the US - who imposed the Shah on Iran - who was known for his
little foibles like democracy and burning woman to death in his private
quarters - is now "concerned" with democracy in the middle east is even more
bizarre. And let's not forget who armed, trained and paid for Bin Laden and
his mujahadeen. And let's not forget who has paid Israel 4 billion dollars a
year to continue its racist policies against the Palestinians. And let's not
forget, while we're at it, the countless other democracy bringing adventures
of the US in Vietnam, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Iran, Iraq, etc etc - and
let's not forget, while we're at it, exactly the type of TYRANTS the US
supports to this day in Uzbekistan, Pakistan and all points East. And while
we're wondering - spare a thought for the people of Grozny - and the people
of Chechnya - who have been viciously cleansed from the face of the earth
before you pass judegment on why and how they exact their revenge on your
buddies, the Russians. There are consequences in this world for all actions;
and while you're considering all of this, do spare a thought for Nelson
Mandela, who Cheney called a terrorist. And do, while you're at it, spare a
thought for the liberal media's secret agenda of showing Rummie-Dum-Dum
shaking hands with the democratic Saddam in the early 80s - at the time when
he was at his most brutal, and conducting well-known gas-warfare against the
Iranians.

No-one asks you to be right or wrong mate; but really, do you have to brag
about your shocking devestation of the dispossessed all in the name of
extreme right wing bloodlust?
"Mitch_A" > wrote in message
om...
> This is the kind of rubbish you could have talked about a YEAR ago and you
> might have been able to keep a straight face. Today what you say is
> nothing but conspiratorial nonsense without ANY basis in fact or reality.
>
> You can somehow try to justify your point of view by comparing the
> POSSIBILITY of cancer vs the reality of a brutal murdering dictator is
> actually about the saddest version of a brainwashed nut Ive ever heard or
> seen.
>
> Time to open your eyes to the reality of freedom in Iraq despite your
> OBVIOUS liberal spin of how bad things are.
>
> We wont even talk about how quickly freedom is breaking out ALL OVER the
> Middle East including Palestine.
>
> Yea, GW was wrong..... NOT!
>
> SAD!
>
>
> Mitch
>
>
> "John Wallace" > wrote in message
>> Wronged in that millions of innocents have died from cancers and we
>> denied them any treatment. Wronged in that we used depleted uranium which
>> caused those cancers. Wronged in that we cleaned up Kuwait, but denied
>> any such help or advice to Iraq, who had no experience of such material,
>> and could do nothing.
>>
>> This is only one example - there are thousands of others. Around Basra it
>> is estimated that 40-48% of the population will develop cancers in the
>> coming years - that's HALF of an entire region.
>>
>> Saddam was a tyrant, but what we have done to his people makes me ashamed
>> to be human, never mind ashamed to be British. How anyone could justify
>> that is beyond me.
>>
>> </rubbish>

>
>



  #49  
Old March 28th 05, 09:46 PM
alex martini
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No Steve, but an understanding of how and why Al Qaeda came about is
probably a good start to understanding how to rid the world of this scourge.
And, btw, bombing Baghdad doesn't quite cut the mustard. And neither does
bombing Iran for that matter. Or Syria. Is it really possible, Steve, that
the Americans are the only people that can be right? Not sure about you, but
last time I checked the US foreign policy is littered with mistakes that
have cost millions of innocent lives.
"Steve Smith" > wrote in message
.. .
> Exactly, Bruce. Are we supposed to weep for Al Qaida, too?
>
> "Bruce Kennewell" > wrote in message
> ...
>> What rubbish!
>> Wronged in whose eyes?
>>
>> "John Wallace" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> > .....one incident does not change any entire country into terrorists.

> They
>> are still the wronged.
>>
>>

>
>



  #50  
Old March 28th 05, 10:02 PM
Mitch_A
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Last I checked American foreign Policy is littered with FREE people the
World over. More people with a higher degree of FREEDOM than at any time
EVER in the history of mankind, and at the American taxpayers and blood and
expense I might add.

What is your countries contribution to World Peace and Freedom?

Is American foreign Policy always right? I sure wouldnt say that but the
good FAR outweighs the bad which your liberal biased hatred blocks entirely
from your skewed perspective.

Mitch

"alex martini" > wrote in message
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> last time I checked the US foreign policy is littered with mistakes that
> have cost millions of innocent lives.



 




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