using late style turn sig switch with early tail lights

Hi,

Has anybody tackeled this combo of using early tail lights with single
2 fillement light bulb and later style turn signal switch (3 wire).
Watson-streetworks (http://www.watsons-streetworks.com/vw.html) sells a
set up of 4 relays. but I cannot quite figure out how this set up would
work. Does anybody have an electrical diagram? I would imagine that I
would have to use 2 flashers as well.


-anton

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wrote:

> Has anybody tackeled this combo of using early tail lights with single
> 2 fillement light bulb and later style turn signal switch (3 wire).
> Watson-streetworks (http://www.watsons-streetworks.com/vw.html) sells a
> set up of 4 relays. but I cannot quite figure out how this set up would
> work. Does anybody have an electrical diagram? I would imagine that I
> would have to use 2 flashers as well.

Forget all that... get a 3 wire to 2 wire tail light converter meant for
running a plain jane trailer (same tail light setup as an old bug tail
light) from a vehicle that has a dedicated separate turn signal bulb
(which you have with your later style turn signal switch)... this is
basically what you are trying to do, I believe! REESE or HOPPY...

PICTURE OF UNIVERSAL KIT BY HOPPY:
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Amazon.com link to orderable item:

<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...id=1102582662/
br=1-8/ref=br_lf_hi_8//103-7312681-3279817?v=glance&s=hi&n=12993161>

Any holiday camper / trailer dealership should stock something like
this... Also most auto parts stores, etc. It's a really common item, but
is perfect for this application.

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|___| '61 - VW
(o\_|_/o) Bug! ALEA -- 35.9 BHP and not a bit more!
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wrote:

> Has anybody tackeled this combo of using early tail lights with
single
> 2 fillement light bulb and later style turn signal switch (3 wire).

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Sure. But before spending any time on it you need to decide what you
want to have when you get done. The reasoning there stems from the
fact the single lamp tail-light fixture isn't even legal in most
countries. VOA squeaked it in under an archaic NJ rule for trucks;
even Volkswagen was a bit surprised that American regulations were so
lax. Other than exports to Third World countries... or the United
States... most Transporters had dual-lamp tail lights.

The point here is that you can simply add the second lamp, giving you a
brake circuit that is independent from the emergency/turn/tail-light
circuit.

If for some reason you are trying to emulate a failed 'brick' (ie, the
stock relay module), there were a couple of outfits here in southern
Cal who manufactured replacements when the originals starting going bad
in significant numbers (ie, late '60's). One of the mailing lists
specific to Type II's may be able to help you track one down although
nowadays the odds of it being any better than the original are
somewhere between slim & none.

The circuit itself is no mystery, at least not for anyone versed in
European automotive electrical-system logic, RPN and the joys of
marching in lock-step :-) It actual consists of THREE circuits, rather
than two. (Most folks overlook the Emergency Flasher.) Since those
little cube-type relays are so inexpensive (see All Electronics if
you're not familiar with current prices) you can whip up a clone of the
original for just a few bucks. You will also need a couple of husky
diodes... (no, not that husky... about 1A).

Basic idea is pretty simple: You have FOUR inputs: Brakes, Left Turn,
Right Turn and Emergency Flasher.

Brake picks the relay for the rear lamps and is isolated by a diode.
Turn picks the flasher and either the left or right PAIR of lamps, also
isolated by a diode. Emergency picks ALL... everything. And flashes,
too.

As electrical systems go the VW is kinda hokey but back then they
thought semiphores and a hot horn were good ideas, too. As a point of
interest, all modern-day vehicles tend to follow VW's early use of
relays. Relays are less expensive than a properly made switch and by
putting them adjacent to the load, they serve to reduce the amount of
heavy-gauge wiring needed in the chassis. (If that doesn't come
across, just look at the electrical starter.)

Wanna make it better? Replace the rear lamp fixture with a panel of 96
ultra-bright LED's... and the front turn sigs with a panel of
ultra-bright yellows. Uses less power and won't wear out before your
great-grandchildren give the thing to a museum.

Dig around. When the magazines rejected the article ('Big Red') I
posted it... somewhere. No interest, of course. Good lights does not
involve big tits, doesn't make your bus go any faster nor make any more
noise, absolute requirements for any article about old Volkswagens :-)
-Bob Hoover

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wrote:

> Basic idea is pretty simple: You have FOUR inputs: Brakes, Left Turn,
> Right Turn and Emergency Flasher.

The trailer adapter kits do all this since it's installed back at your
existing taillights, and the emergency flasher vs. turn signal mode is
handled up front. There's no additional wire coming to the back of the
car for the emergency flasher circuit... only the one wire for left and
one wire for right by the time you are at the back by the taillights.
That's two wires... one more for the brake filament (common to both left
and right sides)... that's the third wire... Hence the reason why it is
referred to as a 3 wire to 2 wire adapter. There's no change for the
running light cct. of course -- it can be left as is...

Hence, the trailer kits are perfectly suitable for this job... It's just
that instead of a trailer plug, he'd use the adapter kit to run classic
tail lights with their dual filament bulbs like on my '61... I can't see
any reason why this wouldn't work like a charm and they're cheap and
reliable... all solid state -- no relays. Two of the more common brands
are HOPPI and REESE. It assumes a 12V setup (no problem there) and you
also need to tap into a supply of 12V power somewhere (either run it all
the way to the battery or access 12V from the engine wiring).

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|___| '61 - VW
(o\_|_/o) Bug! ALEA -- 35.9 BHP and not a bit more!
_U_____U_

Hi,

Here is the full story why in the word I am want to get mismateched
components working together. about 6 months ago I bought a 64 bug
which was nicely customised but who ever did the work didn't follow
through and left things unfinished. One of the was electrical system,
my turn signals are my arms at the moment. My 64 is sporting nice
set of early tailights with one dual fillament bulb however those were
not original and they require use of early style 6 wire turn signal
switch. I wasn't about to spend $120 + on a new turn signal switch
since mine works OK but just isn't hoocked up. So instead I wanted to
do this with a set of relays. I mostly had it figured out except for
break canceling out turn and etc. After posting my original message I
indirectly found the schematics at
http://www.nls.net/mp/volks/htm/flashrly.htm (check out this site it
has a lot of very good tech info). The schematics mostly worked for me
except for the part that the relays depicted in the picture are dual
not single switching. This schematics work perfectly I just need to
hook up my turn signal wires instead of break.

Thank you all for replying

Anton

P.S. If anybody interested in schematics for 4 relay set up let me know
and I will post it somewhere.