Most Big Suv/Truck owners deserve what they're they're paying at thegas pump

"SMS" > wrote in message
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> SMS wrote:
>> Bob Drake wrote:
>>> I agree - buy American - there are fuel efficient cars out there.
>>> Even flex fuel
>>
>> Buy U.S.A. built cars, not American nameplate cars built outside
>> the U.S..
>>
>> The Corolla is built in a UAW plant in California. Good choice for
>> those that want a quality small car that's actually built in the
>> U.S., not Mexico or Canada.
>
> For GM, you can see which vehicles are built in which factory at
> "http://www.gminsidenews.com/index.php?page=factory_guide"
>
> For Ford, see "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ford_factories".
> They recently announced that their new sub-compact, the Fiesta, will
> be built in Mexico.

I think the correct term is "assembled." The actual parts may or may
not come from Mexico. Probably for the Fiesta, most of the parts will
come from other locations, at least initially.

And although Toyota "assembles" Corollas in California, do you know
what percentage of the parts are actually made in the US? And where do
the profits go? Ford assembles Fusions, Milans, and MKZs in Mexico,
but I think a substantial portion of the content is made in the US. I
believe the opposite is true for Corollas assembled in California. On
the other hand for US assembled Camrys and Tundras, I think the
majority of components are made in the US. Still the profits flow back
to Japan.

Ed

Clinton lost. Get over it.


"Sal" > wrote in message
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> They always shine their lights into cars rear view mirrors, they
> always block other people's view and cause accidents in parking lots
> even when they're parked with nobody in them.
> SUVs and Trucks aren't any safer than cars as death rates and crash
> tests prove, SUVs and Trucks are only good at hurting the people more
> and killing more of the people who get hit by the SUV or Truck, and
> not any better at protecting the people inside the SUV or Truck. The
> only people who should use SUVs or Large trucks are people who have a
> legit reason like towing a boat, horse trailer, job requirement, going
> on a African Safari, etc. All the people who bought SUVs and Trucks
> just to "look cool" when they should have really bought a station
> wagon to fit all their needs deserve ALL THE PAIN THEY GET AT THE
> PUMP.
> If all those people who bought SUVs to look cool who only needed a
> fuel efficient station wagon or their needs had bought the station
> wagon instead, then the 4000+ soldiers who died in Iraq so you can
> fill up your SUV may still be alive.

"Moe" ...
> wrote:
>> so drive your foreign little car and wish the economy was better. BUY
>> AMERICAN or you are part of the problem
>> old john
>> 1999 chevrolet Tahoe
>>
>> Hello, Sal!
>> You wrote on Wed, 4 Jun 2008 22:16:30 -0700 (PDT):
>>
>> S> They always shine their lights into cars rear view mirrors, they
>> S> always block other people's view and cause accidents in parking lots
>> S> even when they're parked with nobody in them.
>> S> SUVs and Trucks aren't any safer than cars as death rates and crash
>> S> tests prove, SUVs and Trucks are only good at hurting the people more
>> S> and killing more of the people who get hit by the SUV or Truck, and
>> S> not any better at protecting the people inside the SUV or Truck. The
>> S> only people who should use SUVs or Large trucks are people who have a
>> S> legit reason like towing a boat, horse trailer, job requirement,
>> going
>> S> on a African Safari, etc. All the people who bought SUVs and Trucks
>> S> just to "look cool" when they should have really bought a station
>> S> wagon to fit all their needs deserve ALL THE PAIN THEY GET AT THE
>> S> PUMP.
>> S> If all those people who bought SUVs to look cool who only needed a
>> S> fuel efficient station wagon or their needs had bought the station
>> S> wagon instead, then the 4000+ soldiers who died in Iraq so you can
>> S> fill up your SUV may still be alive.
>>
>> With best regards, . E-mail:
>>
> I used to always drive GM and Ford cars and pickups, including a couple
> of corvettes. Then years ago one time due to a wreck and limited funds I
> wound up driving a used Datsun. I saved enough on gas to make the
> payments on it and that caught my attention but I sold it for what I paid
> after a few months and went back to a big Chevy. Gas went up (this was in
> the late 70's) and I bought a used Toyota because it had a working air
> conditioner. I noticed the monthly gasoline bill was half what it was,
> which was 150 bucks from 300 at the time and that Toyota just ran and ran.
> I'd planned on keeping it till it quit, but it never did quit and I
> finally sold it when I got a newer one. I've been pretty much sold on
> Hondas and Toyotas every since. I'm retired now, and a lot of the early
> retirement was due to the low cost per mile of the cars I drove which were
> mostly good used Toyotas and Hondas. I drove a lot and was paid mileage
> and over 25 years of lots of driving it added up.
> Tuesday I took my mom to the doctor and I drove about 400 miles in my 98
> Toyota Tuesday using the AC the whole time, I filled it up yesterday for
> 40 bucks with gas at 3.77/gal.
> So do what you want, drive what you want, but sometime figure the actual
> cost per mile of your status symbol and if it's worth it to you, go for
> it. I choose to save the money, and use it for other things.

Here we go with the "unpatriotic" whine.

First of all, many Toyotas sold here are also *made* here.

Secondly, if I have to choose between keeping U.S. autoworkers employed, vs.
keeping my own job, since my car will always be working, and not cost me a
fortune to drive, as well as maintain (not in and out of the shop all the
time), then I tend to choose keeping *my* job.

Having said that, I certainly do feel sorry for the working-class
autoworkers, but it wasn't *me* who screwed them, anyway. It was their
employers. They kept churning out gigantic (though well-made) vehicles, and
ignored the small-car market, by churning out crappy "economy" cars. There
was nothing economical about those things, except the occasional good gas
mileage in the really tiny ones. That aside, the upkeep on the
economy-class domestic cars is what totally sucked. My friends were
car-less so many times, due to breakdowns of one kind or another. Toyota
(and other mainly small-car manufacturers) were in the right place at the
right time. Simple, yet tragic at the same time.

Though, if I were in the market for a large vehicle, I'd most probably go
domestic. They clearly seem to be superior in that category.

Natalie, Air Force veteran, active duty Air Force wife, so yeah, patriotic.
:-P

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"Bob Drake" > wrote in message
news:bRQ1k.15066$b_.6166@trnddc02...
>I agree - buy American - there are fuel efficient cars out there. Even
>flex fuel
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> so drive your foreign little car and wish the economy was better. BUY
>> AMERICAN or you are part of the problem
>> old john
>> 1999 chevrolet Tahoe
>>
>> Hello, Sal!
>> You wrote on Wed, 4 Jun 2008 22:16:30 -0700 (PDT):
>>
>> S> They always shine their lights into cars rear view mirrors, they
>> S> always block other people's view and cause accidents in parking lots
>> S> even when they're parked with nobody in them.
>> S> SUVs and Trucks aren't any safer than cars as death rates and crash
>> S> tests prove, SUVs and Trucks are only good at hurting the people more
>> S> and killing more of the people who get hit by the SUV or Truck, and
>> S> not any better at protecting the people inside the SUV or Truck. The
>> S> only people who should use SUVs or Large trucks are people who have a
>> S> legit reason like towing a boat, horse trailer, job requirement, going
>> S> on a African Safari, etc. All the people who bought SUVs and Trucks
>> S> just to "look cool" when they should have really bought a station
>> S> wagon to fit all their needs deserve ALL THE PAIN THEY GET AT THE
>> S> PUMP.
>> S> If all those people who bought SUVs to look cool who only needed a
>> S> fuel efficient station wagon or their needs had bought the station
>> S> wagon instead, then the 4000+ soldiers who died in Iraq so you can
>> S> fill up your SUV may still be alive.
>>
>> With best regards, . E-mail:
>>
>>

"Bob Drake" ...
>I agree - buy American - there are fuel efficient cars out there. Even
>flex fuel
*snip*

Sure, NOW. They should have been doing what they're doing now, at least 20
years ago.

Natalie

Sal turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and wrote:

> They always shine their lights into cars rear view mirrors, they
> always block other people's view and cause accidents in parking lots
> even when they're parked with nobody in them.
> SUVs and Trucks aren't any safer than cars as death rates and crash
> tests prove, SUVs and Trucks are only good at hurting the people more
> and killing more of the people who get hit by the SUV or Truck, and
> not any better at protecting the people inside the SUV or Truck. The
> only people who should use SUVs or Large trucks are people who have a
> legit reason like towing a boat, horse trailer, job requirement, going
> on a African Safari, etc. All the people who bought SUVs and Trucks
> just to "look cool" when they should have really bought a station
> wagon to fit all their needs deserve ALL THE PAIN THEY GET AT THE
> PUMP.
> If all those people who bought SUVs to look cool who only needed a
> fuel efficient station wagon or their needs had bought the station
> wagon instead, then the 4000+ soldiers who died in Iraq so you can
> fill up your SUV may still be alive.

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C. E. White wrote:

> And although Toyota "assembles" Corollas in California, do you know what
> percentage of the parts are actually made in the US?

Apparently it's 50% for the 2009. Of course with the convoluted domestic
content laws, you have no idea of the actual amount of domestic content
of any vehicle. Plus, the domestic content doesn't include labor.

I know that NUMMI has a stamping plant on-site, as well as a plastics
fabricating plant, and that they try to use these for the cars built
there to reduce transportation costs.

Best case is a vehicle from a U.S. corporation, assembled in the U.S.,
with high domestic content, without sacrificing reliability, longevity,
quality, mpg, etc.

Barring that, the first concern should be that the vehicle was at least
assembled in the U.S.. We need to keep those high paying blue collar
manufacturing jobs in the U.S..

"Wickeddoll®" > wrote in message
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> First of all, many Toyotas sold here are also *made* here.


And the $$ goes back to Japan regardless of where it's made......

"Topp@Work" ...
>
> "Wickeddoll®" ...
>
>
>> First of all, many Toyotas sold here are also *made* here.
>
>
> And the $$ goes back to Japan regardless of where it's made......
>
>
But the paycheck goes to the US workers, so I'm not "putting people out of
work" :-P

I made several other points, which I see you conveniently snipped out.

That speaks volumes.

Natalie

On Jun 5, 12:16*am, Sal > wrote:
> They always shine their lights into cars rear view mirrors, they
> always block other people's view and cause accidents in parking lots
> even when they're parked with nobody in them.
> SUVs and Trucks aren't any safer than cars as death rates and crash
> tests prove, SUVs and Trucks are only good at hurting the people more
> and killing more of the people who get hit by the SUV or Truck, and
> not any better at protecting the people inside the SUV or Truck. The
> only people who should use SUVs or Large trucks are people who have a
> legit reason like towing a boat, horse trailer, job requirement, going
> on a African Safari, etc. All the people who bought SUVs and Trucks
> just to "look cool" when they should have really bought a station
> wagon to fit all their needs deserve ALL THE PAIN THEY GET AT THE
> PUMP.
> If all those people who bought SUVs to look cool who only needed a
> fuel efficient station wagon or their needs had bought the station
> wagon instead, then the 4000+ soldiers who died in Iraq so you can
> fill up your SUV may still be alive.

REPLY: Part of the freedom of this country is to drive whatever you
like so long as you put it on the road legally, keep your insurance on
it up to date, and drive it responsibly in a safe manner. If someone
desires a big SUV or TRUCK then its thier perogative ; I , as others
in here, enjoy Corvettes and frankly I dont care if gasoline goes to
$10 per gallon as ill still drive my 1970 big block on weekends and
continue to rack up approx. 1,000 miles on it per year. Im always
chuckle when someone asks me what sort of gas mileage i get with it ;
I tell them i didnt buy it for the gas mileage . I think the very
last paragraph in your post was very uncalled for and a non sequitar.