Should this trooper be fired?

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 06:46:51 -0800, Scott en Aztlán
> wrote:

>On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:34:43 GMT, "Iggy" > wrote:
>
>>> Regardless of who the victim is, the punishment must fit the crime.
>>>
>>> This trooper's crime was rudeness and unprofessional behavior,
>>> resulting in some consternation on the part of the vicims. If we fired
>>> everyone every time they were rude or unprofessional, the unemployment
>>> rate would approach 100%.
>>
>>You're an idiot.
>
>Leading off with an Ad Hominem attack == admission of defeat.
>
>I win, you lose.

You're incapable of addressing the point - you've lost, despite his
calling you an idiot.


Further, it was not an ad hominem attack because it was justified in
this instance.

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 00:46:12 GMT, "Iggy" > wrote:

>>
>> I win, you lose.
>>
>
>No...you don't.

Unfortunately, on usenet, "winning" and "losing" is usually a matter
of perception on the part of the person posting.

L Sternn wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 00:46:12 GMT, "Iggy" > wrote:
>
> >>
> >> I win, you lose.
> >>
> >
> >No...you don't.
>
> Unfortunately, on usenet, "winning" and "losing" is usually a matter
> of perception on the part of the person posting.

If you win every time you're called an idiot, then I'd say this
week's bigtime winner would probably be our new friend Hp.

"L Sternn" > wrote in message
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> On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 07:02:28 GMT, "jaybird" > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Tim Kreitz" > wrote in message
groups.com...
>>> Dave Swanson wrote:
>>>
>>>> There are thousands of unemployed
>>>> citizens who could perform much better than this
>>>> pitiful asshole.
>>>
>>> Sign the petition to have him fired:
>>>
>>> <http://www.petitiononline.com/Peasley/petition.html>
>>>
>>> There are thousands of signatures thus far. Add yours and pass the URL
>>> along.
>>>
>>> My article:
>>> <http://superbikeblog.blogspot.com/2005/03/attention-motorcyclists-cops-only-care.html>
>>
>>Is there another one somewhere supporting the disciplinary action he's
>>already received as being adequate? I'm not trying to undermine your
>>cause,
>>there are just some of us who think an 18 year veteran with a spotless
>>record should be disciplined rather than asked to resign for making an
>>inappropriate comment and action by hanging up on the caller.
>
> We should expect MOST cops to have "spotless records".

I agree. Most do, and this is one of them.

>
> Are you saying we should reward him just because this is the first
> time he ever did something serious enough to be reprimanded?

I never said to reward him at all.

>
> In most professions, a "spotless record" isn't something to brag about
> - it's just something that's expected.

Agreed.

--
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jaybird
---
I am not the cause of your problems.
My actions are the result of your actions.
Your life is not my fault.

"jaybird" > wrote in message
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>
> "L Sternn" > wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 07:02:28 GMT, "jaybird" > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Tim Kreitz" > wrote in message
egroups.com...
>>>> Dave Swanson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> There are thousands of unemployed
>>>>> citizens who could perform much better than this
>>>>> pitiful asshole.
>>>>
>>>> Sign the petition to have him fired:
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.petitiononline.com/Peasley/petition.html>
>>>>
>>>> There are thousands of signatures thus far. Add yours and pass the URL
>>>> along.
>>>>
>>>> My article:
>>>> <http://superbikeblog.blogspot.com/2005/03/attention-motorcyclists-cops-only-care.html>
>>>
>>>Is there another one somewhere supporting the disciplinary action he's
>>>already received as being adequate? I'm not trying to undermine your
>>>cause,
>>>there are just some of us who think an 18 year veteran with a spotless
>>>record should be disciplined rather than asked to resign for making an
>>>inappropriate comment and action by hanging up on the caller.
>>
>> We should expect MOST cops to have "spotless records".
>
> I agree. Most do, and this is one of them.
>
>>
>> Are you saying we should reward him just because this is the first
>> time he ever did something serious enough to be reprimanded?
>
> I never said to reward him at all.
>
>>
>> In most professions, a "spotless record" isn't something to brag about
>> - it's just something that's expected.
>
> Agreed.

I believe in rewarding someone for a job well done.

What does "spotless" mean: no citizen complaints, no IAB investigations, no
shootings of unarmed suspects, regardless of the outcomes?

On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 22:03:00 GMT, "jaybird" > wrote:

>
>"L Sternn" > wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 07:02:28 GMT, "jaybird" > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Tim Kreitz" > wrote in message
egroups.com...
>>>> Dave Swanson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> There are thousands of unemployed
>>>>> citizens who could perform much better than this
>>>>> pitiful asshole.
>>>>
>>>> Sign the petition to have him fired:
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.petitiononline.com/Peasley/petition.html>
>>>>
>>>> There are thousands of signatures thus far. Add yours and pass the URL
>>>> along.
>>>>
>>>> My article:
>>>> <http://superbikeblog.blogspot.com/2005/03/attention-motorcyclists-cops-only-care.html>
>>>
>>>Is there another one somewhere supporting the disciplinary action he's
>>>already received as being adequate? I'm not trying to undermine your
>>>cause,
>>>there are just some of us who think an 18 year veteran with a spotless
>>>record should be disciplined rather than asked to resign for making an
>>>inappropriate comment and action by hanging up on the caller.
>>
>> We should expect MOST cops to have "spotless records".
>
>I agree. Most do, and this is one of them.

Then why are you harping on his spotless record?

>
>>
>> Are you saying we should reward him just because this is the first
>> time he ever did something serious enough to be reprimanded?
>
>I never said to reward him at all.

You didn't use the word "reward" but you did say we should go easy on
him because of his "spotless record".

>
>>
>> In most professions, a "spotless record" isn't something to brag about
>> - it's just something that's expected.
>
>Agreed.

On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 22:10:34 GMT, "Skip Elliott Bowman"
> wrote:

>>> In most professions, a "spotless record" isn't something to brag about
>>> - it's just something that's expected.
>>
>> Agreed.
>
>I believe in rewarding someone for a job well done.
>
>What does "spotless" mean: no citizen complaints, no IAB investigations, no
>shootings of unarmed suspects, regardless of the outcomes?
>

That's a good question. I suspect the union would never allow any of
those things to mar a cop's record unless the complaint had led to a
reprimand, the IAB investigations led to at least a reprimand and the
he was convicted of a crime in a shooting (which almost NEVER
happens).

OTOH, when it comes to citizens, they like to talk about arrest
records and incidents which don't even result in any arrest.

"L Sternn" > wrote in message
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> On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 22:03:00 GMT, "jaybird" > wrote:
>
>>
>>"L Sternn" > wrote in message
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>>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 07:02:28 GMT, "jaybird" > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Tim Kreitz" > wrote in message
legroups.com...
>>>>> Dave Swanson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> There are thousands of unemployed
>>>>>> citizens who could perform much better than this
>>>>>> pitiful asshole.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sign the petition to have him fired:
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.petitiononline.com/Peasley/petition.html>
>>>>>
>>>>> There are thousands of signatures thus far. Add yours and pass the URL
>>>>> along.
>>>>>
>>>>> My article:
>>>>> <http://superbikeblog.blogspot.com/2005/03/attention-motorcyclists-cops-only-care.html>
>>>>
>>>>Is there another one somewhere supporting the disciplinary action he's
>>>>already received as being adequate? I'm not trying to undermine your
>>>>cause,
>>>>there are just some of us who think an 18 year veteran with a spotless
>>>>record should be disciplined rather than asked to resign for making an
>>>>inappropriate comment and action by hanging up on the caller.
>>>
>>> We should expect MOST cops to have "spotless records".
>>
>>I agree. Most do, and this is one of them.
>
> Then why are you harping on his spotless record?

Not harping, just pointing it out. It is what we would call a "clue" if you
were trying to form an opinion of his pattern of behavior.

>
>>
>>>
>>> Are you saying we should reward him just because this is the first
>>> time he ever did something serious enough to be reprimanded?
>>
>>I never said to reward him at all.
>
> You didn't use the word "reward" but you did say we should go easy on
> him because of his "spotless record".

You sure do like to put words in my mouth. I said that I thought his
punishment was fine, firing him would be excessive, and his record shows no
previous disciplinary action so we know this is not a pattern.

--
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jaybird
---
I am not the cause of your problems.
My actions are the result of your actions.
Your life is not my fault.

"Skip Elliott Bowman" > wrote in message
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> "jaybird" > wrote in message
> news
>>
>> "L Sternn" > wrote in message
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>>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 07:02:28 GMT, "jaybird" > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Tim Kreitz" > wrote in message
legroups.com...
>>>>> Dave Swanson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> There are thousands of unemployed
>>>>>> citizens who could perform much better than this
>>>>>> pitiful asshole.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sign the petition to have him fired:
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.petitiononline.com/Peasley/petition.html>
>>>>>
>>>>> There are thousands of signatures thus far. Add yours and pass the URL
>>>>> along.
>>>>>
>>>>> My article:
>>>>> <http://superbikeblog.blogspot.com/2005/03/attention-motorcyclists-cops-only-care.html>
>>>>
>>>>Is there another one somewhere supporting the disciplinary action he's
>>>>already received as being adequate? I'm not trying to undermine your
>>>>cause,
>>>>there are just some of us who think an 18 year veteran with a spotless
>>>>record should be disciplined rather than asked to resign for making an
>>>>inappropriate comment and action by hanging up on the caller.
>>>
>>> We should expect MOST cops to have "spotless records".
>>
>> I agree. Most do, and this is one of them.
>>
>>>
>>> Are you saying we should reward him just because this is the first
>>> time he ever did something serious enough to be reprimanded?
>>
>> I never said to reward him at all.
>>
>>>
>>> In most professions, a "spotless record" isn't something to brag about
>>> - it's just something that's expected.
>>
>> Agreed.
>
> I believe in rewarding someone for a job well done.
>
> What does "spotless" mean: no citizen complaints, no IAB investigations,
> no shootings of unarmed suspects, regardless of the outcomes?

Citizen complaints, IA investigations, shootings and such all are documented
but if the incidents are unfounded or false then they don't effect the
personnel record.

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jaybird
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I am not the cause of your problems.
My actions are the result of your actions.
Your life is not my fault.

this is a prime example of why we need to kill every ****ing pig on this
planet.
I wonder what would happen if I said "too bad" when a cop tried to pull me
over and give me a speeding ticket.
the only good traffic cop is a DEAD traffic cop.
kill all traffic cops, kill them all.



"L Sternn" > wrote in message
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> On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:25:35 -0500, Car > wrote:
>
>>
>>From the Hartford Courant
>>
>>Trooper Suspended 15 Days
>>
>>Response To 911 Call Called Inappropriate
>>
>>By TRACY GORDON FOX
>>Courant Staff Writer
>>
>>March 22, 2005
>>
>>A state trooper was suspended for 15 days without pay Monday
>>for telling the friend of a seriously injured motorcyclist
>>"too bad," and hanging up on him when he called 911 for help
>>last August.
>>
>>State police said Trooper Robert Peasley's behavior did not
>>affect the response time to the accident or contribute to the
>>death of Justin Sawyer, 21, of Bozrah. Sawyer died of head
>>injuries several days after the crash in Bozrah.
>
> Given the information in the remainder of the article, I'd really love
> to know how they came to that conclusion.
>
> One possible explanation. The cops were all tied up with something
> else and it wouldn't have mattered if there was even a 911 system as
> opposed to simply calling the police department's main number. In
> fact, it may not have mattered if they had called Domino's for pizza
> and waited for it to be delivered before they called 911.
>
> But yes, I think he should be fired. Even if his actions did not
> result in slower response, they certainly could have.
>
>