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They want to turn my rotors
Hi,
My '03 Accord EX has 35K mi., so I asked my local service center to check the brake pads when they were changing oil. They found (and showed me) about 10% remaining on the RF and 40% on the LF. Rears were fine. They suggested replacing the pads and TURNING the ROTORS. They say that one ALWAYS wants the rotors resurfaced and that they don't charge any more whether or not that's done along with pad replacement. I go to this place because they've demonstrated their honesty to me on several occasions. I know this question has been asked and answered before, but I'm hoping for an up-to-the-minute opinion from you experts. 1 -- If the rotors do not appear scored, should they be resurfaced the first time the brakes are redone? 2 -- The car drives, handles, and brakes perfectly. Is there any reason for concern about the uneven wear of the front pads? Thanks very much. Ron |
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They want to turn my rotors
"Milleron" > wrote
> My '03 Accord EX has 35K mi., so I asked my local service center to > check the brake pads when they were changing oil. > They found (and showed me) about 10% remaining on the RF and 40% on > the LF. Rears were fine. They suggested replacing the pads and > TURNING the ROTORS. They say that one ALWAYS wants the rotors > resurfaced and that they don't charge any more whether or not that's > done along with pad replacement. I loathe this kind of reasoning. One does not "always" want the rotors resurfaced. Resurfacing reduces their thickness, which means heat dissipation is worse, and the life of the rotors is reduced. Seems like peopel have more problems, not less, after resurfacing rotors, as oppposed to leaving them be. One of the manual specifications for rotors is a certain minimum thickness. After reaching this thickness, the rotors have to be replaced. They're bringing rotors closer to this and so also shortening their lives. > I go to this place because they've > demonstrated their honesty to me on several occasions. > I know this question has been asked and answered before, but I'm > hoping for an up-to-the-minute opinion from you experts. > > 1 -- If the rotors do not appear scored, should they be resurfaced the > first time the brakes are redone? I don't know how much questioning you want to try to do of these guys, but if you think they'll talk honestly to you, ask them whether they checked the rotor thickness. If it's uneven, then that might be a reason to resurface the rotors. Similarly, if there are indications the rotors are warped, that might be a reason to resurface (or replace) as well. If they won't discuss something as simple as rotor thickness, go to another shop. You can google and I bet get a lot of good information from the internet on this as well. > 2 -- The car drives, handles, and brakes perfectly. Is there any > reason for concern about the uneven wear of the front pads? Could be a lot of things. A good brake system flush might solve it. It bears watching but I wouldn't fear for my safety in such a car at this point. Is the car steering okay? Are the tire pressures checked every two weeks, especially when the seasons change? Are the tires wearing evenly? Lots of little stuff to watch. |
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Do not know if this is of any value, but does not some re-surfacing remove
the glaze on the pads ? When I replace pads, I do not necessarily re-surface, but I do use a sandpaper pad and give the rotors a quick "quasi re-surface". Maybe not necessary at all, who knows. |
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Milleron wrote:
> I know this question has been asked and answered before, but I'm > hoping for an up-to-the-minute opinion from you experts. i wouldnt, and never have. they want to because it eliminates the *possibility* there might be some noise. if theyre using OEM honda brake pads, cleaning the stuff that needs to be cleaned, and doing an otherwise thorough job it shouldnt be an issue > > 1 -- If the rotors do not appear scored, should they be resurfaced the > first time the brakes are redone? > > 2 -- The car drives, handles, and brakes perfectly. Is there any > reason for concern about the uneven wear of the front pads? not necessarily. most of the cars ive changed pads on dont wear completely evenly from one side to the other, or even from one side of the caliper to the other. > > Thanks very much. > > > Ron |
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Milleron said:
"They say that one ALWAYS wants the rotors resurfaced and that they don't charge any more whether or not that's done along with pad replacement. I go to this place because they've demonstrated their honesty to me on several occasions." Years ago went with a friend to drop off his BMW - needed rear brake pads. The Hans und Fritz act behind the service counter said something similiar - I unloaded on these crooks. Ended up replacing the rotors for my friend. You never ever turn a rotor unless it is hopelessly warped or grooved. These crooks at the stealers are doing harm when they do this. I have maintained several accords for something approaching 700K now - never had to have any rotors turned - on one occasion had to retorque the lug nuts because the apes in a tire place overtorqued the lug bolts and warped the rotors - retorquing them properly took most of the braking shimmy out. If this dealer or stealer as I call people like this are willing to pull this trick - beware - one of the fav stealer tricks is to cut CV boots - that is a pricey repair. When walking through dealerships I always keep a very tight grip on my wallet - have got a couple of the sales sharks to bite - tell them I always hold on to my waller in high crime areas. Yeah there are good dealers - know a couple of small town ones that are good people but find someplace else to work on your honda - no telling what tricks this crowd will pull. Oh would I like to have it out with these clowns. |
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On 2005-12-09, Milleron > wrote:
> They found (and showed me) about 10% remaining on the RF and 40% on > the LF. Rears were fine. They suggested replacing the pads and > TURNING the ROTORS. They say that one ALWAYS wants the rotors > resurfaced and that they don't charge any more whether or not that's > done along with pad replacement. There may have been problems with your original pads/rotors (hi/lo spots, excessive gooving, etc). Did you ask for specific details? Since you pads were unevenly worn, it's likely your rotors are, also. You don't want to be putting new pads on unevenly worn rotors. Don't forget you're dealing with the brakes, your last line of defense between you and a hard place. Turning the rotors shouldn't cost that much. Do you really want to cut corners? nb |
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notbod said:
"There may have been problems with your original pads/rotors (hi/lo spots, excessive gooving, etc). Did you ask for specific details? Since you pads were unevenly worn, it's likely your rotors are, also. You don't want to be putting new pads on unevenly worn rotors. Don't forget you're dealing with the brakes, your last line of defense between you and a hard place. Turning the rotors shouldn't cost that much. Do you really want to cut corners? "{ It is rare that pads on the same rotor wear evenly and my left front pads seem to always wear out before the right side does. What are unevenly worn rotors - don't exist - grooved, warped or scored - no way could this happen on a vehicle with only 35K on it and rotors not dug into by worn out pads. Never ever turn rotors unless they have big problems - that is unless you are a chiseling dealer trying to lighten your customers wallets. |
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On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 16:52:33 -0600, notbob > wrote:
>On 2005-12-09, Milleron > wrote: > >> They found (and showed me) about 10% remaining on the RF and 40% on >> the LF. Rears were fine. They suggested replacing the pads and >> TURNING the ROTORS. They say that one ALWAYS wants the rotors >> resurfaced and that they don't charge any more whether or not that's >> done along with pad replacement. > >There may have been problems with your original pads/rotors (hi/lo >spots, excessive gooving, etc). Did you ask for specific details? >Since you pads were unevenly worn, it's likely your rotors are, also. >You don't want to be putting new pads on unevenly worn rotors. Don't >forget you're dealing with the brakes, your last line of defense >between you and a hard place. Turning the rotors shouldn't cost that >much. Do you really want to cut corners? I don't want to cut corners on my brake jobs but I don't want to screw up the rotors by resurfacing them either. Not resurfacing the rotors will not lead to any catastrophic brake failures. If the rotors are worn, scarred, corroded or severely warped, then replace them. If the pads are truly wearing unevenly, the place to start is by cleaning and inspecting the calipers and sliding surfaces. Usually just cleaning and lubricating them will solve the problem. Only exception is if the pistons are not moving freely in the cylinders. Then rebuilding/replacing the calipers is in order. |
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Milleron wrote:
> Hi, > My '03 Accord EX has 35K mi., so I asked my local service center to > check the brake pads when they were changing oil. > They found (and showed me) about 10% remaining on the RF and 40% on > the LF. Rears were fine. They suggested replacing the pads and > TURNING the ROTORS. They say that one ALWAYS wants the rotors > resurfaced and that they don't charge any more whether or not that's > done along with pad replacement. I go to this place because they've > demonstrated their honesty to me on several occasions. > > I know this question has been asked and answered before, but I'm > hoping for an up-to-the-minute opinion from you experts. > > 1 -- If the rotors do not appear scored, should they be resurfaced the > first time the brakes are redone? > > 2 -- The car drives, handles, and brakes perfectly. Is there any > reason for concern about the uneven wear of the front pads? > > Thanks very much. > > > Ron at only 35k, the /real/ probability of needing the rotors skimmed is between "slim" and "zero". only if there is a fault will this be necessary, and even then, i'd prefer replacement over skimming. if skimming is not done right, and in my experience it often isn't, it can introduce more problems than it is supposed to solve. if you're getting uneven wear, i'd check the caliper operation. if you're in the rust belt, it's possible that the calipers need servicing at this mileage, in which case, do it yourself. if you're not confident, sign up for an evening class at your local community college. otherwise, check out tegger's excellent "how-to" on his web site. for the time being, it's safe to replace the pads and keep driving until you've done your course. replace the pads yourself - it's /real/ easy if you follow the procedure in the book. |
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They want to turn my rotors
If it's aHonda Dealer, I would not be surprised. When I took my new 2004
Pilot into my Honda dealer for an oil change, they offered to "clean" the brakes for only $100 extra. The odometer read only about 8000 miles (and those were probably about 90 % highway miles, i.e., the brakes had not been used much). I told them "no thanks". I have heard similar stories from other Honda owners, where the dealer performs unnecessary service. Too bad because I think Honda makes great vehicles, but their dealers are out to take all the money they can get from the owners. Angus "Milleron" > wrote in message ... > Hi, > My '03 Accord EX has 35K mi., so I asked my local service center to > check the brake pads when they were changing oil. > They found (and showed me) about 10% remaining on the RF and 40% on > the LF. Rears were fine. They suggested replacing the pads and > TURNING the ROTORS. They say that one ALWAYS wants the rotors > resurfaced and that they don't charge any more whether or not that's > done along with pad replacement. I go to this place because they've > demonstrated their honesty to me on several occasions. > > I know this question has been asked and answered before, but I'm > hoping for an up-to-the-minute opinion from you experts. > > 1 -- If the rotors do not appear scored, should they be resurfaced the > first time the brakes are redone? > > 2 -- The car drives, handles, and brakes perfectly. Is there any > reason for concern about the uneven wear of the front pads? > > Thanks very much. > > > Ron |
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