Best wheel & pedals

November is what they told me by Email.

Unfortunately I've heard figures of 2 Grand floating around cost wise

-Larry

"Steve Simpson" > wrote in message
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>> Does BRD offer force feedback now?
>
> I think I read about a BRD FF wheel coming very soon in Autosimsport -
> about 2 grand from memory.

I must be one of the 10 that can't because no matter how hard I try, I can
NOT drive with a Logitech wheel.

-Larry

"PlowBoy" > wrote in message
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> Some could argue that if you were not the ultimate PC technician,
> ESPECIALLY since you had the "Logitech" branded wheel, you have no
> fruitfull experience with force feedback.
>
> Im not doggin you honest, Lets just look at the facts. The troubles I
> seen (and tried to work through as a tech & friend), read, & encountered
> with the older logitech drivers and other issues. That is the fact that
> would be making me state the above. In my Humble Estimation, one in 10
> Logitech owners, could setup the wheel correctly (more importantly keep it
> from goofing itself up within minutes ruining the experience, by not one
> fault of their own BTW...
>
> SO I will ask, now days is it one in 5? so in 500 wheels, 100 of you had
> a fair and working chance to judge it, as I see it, the odds are against
> you having been the lucky 20% to setup the wheel & FF.
>
> Because I say this, I am only going by logic, of which you enlighten me
> with, pushed into a thought about my experiences with both logitech,
> Thrustcrapper, and finally Sidewinder wheels. when you have FF that is
> setup and works like it does in my humble opinion, you wont go back to
> springs...
>
> that is my $.02 (USD)...
>
>
> Spede enlightened us with:
>> http://www.thomas-superwheel.com/
>>
>> Hi gang, been reading here awhile but this is my first post. I've
>> heard BRD and ECCI are both good equipment but TSW has to be
>> considered also, durability and customer service are second to none.
>> I have what was the top model about 8 years ago and haven't spent a
>> dime on it since day one. If your really hung up on FF then TEI can't
>> help you but after owning a TSW for this long, I wouldn't go back
>> to FF unless I could afford some radical $15,000 simulator that can
>> do it properly. I have an "Old Red" LWFF wheel that I upgraded with
>> full bearings and it works well but I'm much more consistant with the
>> Thomas. Considering TSW's have a "Lifetime" warranty ...it's a good
>> place to put your $$$
>
>

Well, if there was ever any hope of a software update (there isn't) I'd go
for it. But...

-Larry

"PlowBoy" > wrote in message
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> Larry,
>
> I could sell you my Black wheel, MS FF wheel, it is my spare, Im keeping
> my red wheel version, any bids? hell it is like new, I probably could
> empty the box it came with (storing game boxes in it I *think*) I too will
> want a BRD if the FF setup is worth a ****, as you might seen in this
> thread, dont you see what I was saying: that most people who "tried FF and
> dont like it, had Other than Microsoft wheels", at least 90% of them.
>
>
> Larry enlightened us with:
>> The email I received from BRD states their FF wheel will be available
>> in November.
>>
>> It will most likely be extremely expensive though.
>>
>> You are right. I've been lost since my MSFFW died. I've got a black
>> momo now and I just cannot get the hang of this thing. I look like a
>> total amatuer out there on the track.
>>
>> -Larry
>>
>> "JML" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Tired of changing these low quality poor feedback wheelsets. I`m
>>> going for a best one available, so anyone, please tell me what to
>>> buy and why? Already had Momo Racing Wheel, Thrustmaster Force
>>> Racing Wheel and before those many other older ones. Suggestions
>>> please, is BRD as good as somebody commented?
>
>

I agree 100% with you Geeza.

My (two) BRD wheel and pedal systems cost me a fair bit, (about £150
each then) but they are as good now as the day I bought them (about five
years ago).

All I've had to pay for is replacement springs (£5) maybe once a year,
oh, and a new circuit board (£8) for the wheel buttons.

Likewise, yeah, my BRD Race Frame Pro Cockpit cost a fair bit, but it
too is as good now as the day I bought it.

And as Don says, I could easily sell my BRD stuff as its all still in
pristine condition and recoup most of what I originally paid for them.

So who spends more money?

The guy who pays say £200 on quality "expensive" gear that will
easily last him six, seven, eight, maybe even ten years, or the guy who
buys his "cheaper" gear, say around £100 but it only lasts one
year, or maybe two years before he has to buy another "cheaper" system?

I know which I prefer.... 8-)

> $500 dollars a lot of money? I bought my ECCI wheel/pedal system in
> March of 1996. It's almost 10 years old! Since then it's cost me
> maybe 15 bucks for springs and button replacment and it's as solid
> and tight as the day it arrived.
> High end wheel systems
> are worth every penny, you appreciate their quality everytime you
> touch them and their performance doesn't deteriorate like almost
> everything else in the computer chain. And in terms of retaining
> value, I could probably sell my ECCI system today for a good portion
> of what I paid for it. How much do you think I could get for a ten
> year old video card, or motherboard, or cpu, or harddrive.........



*Peter* - http://homepage.ntlworld.com/petergagg/

In article >, (JML) wrote:

> From: "JML" >
> Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 15:23:08 GMT
>
> If I understood correctly you mean how does it feel to have a non-ff
> wheel like Ecci etc? I would also like know this. I know that some
> manufacturers use benji-cord and other "flexible" materials to have
> the authentic "linear" feeling (but naturally wont bump into fingers
> though..), but as I do not have experience, really like to hear
> more...

My BRD steering wheels have a great "feel" to them, the wheels have a
strong self centering mechnism, here is how the BRD website describes
the steering return mechanism...

"The internals of the steering column are again a unique feature of this
system. The return to centre mechanism is based on our tried and tested
compression spring based dual ballraced cam system. This has proved to
be just about indestructible and will not wear out. It allows you to
experience a very progressive and linear feel through out the 270° of
steering rotation. It also means that the steering will always return
positively to centre. The precise action of the steering mechanism will
mean that you can be confident in your driving."

It works well, friends who have driven my set-up are always impressed at
how realistic it "feels".

8-)

*Peter* - http://homepage.ntlworld.com/petergagg/