Help! iRacing resistance breaking down thanks to Week13 fun races

"Andrew MacPherson" > wrote in message
...
> (DavErb) wrote:
>
>> Something you may or may not get over-excited about is the
>> Spec racer Ford.
>
> I'm *far* more excited about it as a very much needed boost to the format
> for new
> subscribers. They may not be able to drive it at first, but it won't take
> long to
> qualify for races, and in the mean time they can at least test it and
> discover (I
> hope, having never driven it) what potential iRacing has. The Solstice was
> never
> cut out to be an advert for anything other than scrap metal dealerships!
>
> Hopefully there will be big fields in these races though (a combination of
> enthusiasts and rookies) then I might get dragged out of my Skip Barber
> for a while.
> :-)
>
> In the mean time initial race reports form the mixed class races are
> somewhat
> glowing.
>
> http://www.wegame.com/watch/Mixed_Class_Racing/
>
Great vid. But check out the appalling driving of the blue spec racing, who
side swipes one car and then bumps another. Clearly there are unsafe Muppets
in iRacing still.

dfg.myass@aol (David Fisher's Left Testicle) wrote:

> Clearly there are unsafe Muppets
> in iRacing still.

I'm sure there will be a lot of people who've bought cars just for this race, or
who haven't been able to drive them in traffic before because of the class system
restrictions. So that kind of driving doesn't surprise me... though that's a
particularly poor example!

Andrew McP

Niles.

I wouldn't doubt you beat me at many things. I was shocked to read that you
are 56? you sounded more like 15, in the original post/reply lol. No I'm
not being holier than thou I'm trying to put perspective. It is a club, you
are old enough to know that you don't even join (back in your day) the
neiborhood bully's club without earning respect and rank. The only way to
get either is to race, earn points. that was all I meant.

Niles, I am not one of those authors that sound as good when typing, I was
trying to be provocative but not personal.
"Niles Anders" > wrote in message
...
> PlowBoy, wrote:
>
> First off let me say that I love the physics and the scanning concept.
> Also I like the fact they are using a tire dyno to recon info.
>
>> Niles, no offense... All I can say is damn, unless you are the king or
>> the son of the king, you don't start ANY PLACE on the planet, AT THE
>> TOP... you work your way up. Sheesh.
>
> I'm 56 years old and have already been to school ... even SIM Racing
> school, I've been SIM Racing for 11 years. I want to race the cars I'm
> driving now and I don't need to have a faux career to know I can SIM race
> or get to a car I already know how to drive.

I disagree, this same thing weeds the set top mentality people out, which in
the whole makes it better... every signup deal-wave that brought newbies to
iRacing, brought with them a percentage of those who go "phuck it, floor it
into one, wreck & who cares, it is just a game" and we cant handle that as a
Club. It has to mimick something, they chose it to mimick more like real
life, earn you way up. how else can it be handled? I mean I dont have my
own server I cant ban the phucktards but iracing can group them together at
least.

I do AArmy, it is free all they ask is that you dont cheat, 90% of the
servers rank you, from cheats that ban you (punk buster) and kill ratios,
time in rank, **** like that, and afaik other games are the same way, howver
what is different about iracing doing it the way it is done? little I
really feel...

>That's the game part of iRacing that turns me off. iRacing says it's more
>SIM but it's really more game. rFactor has a career mode built into it and
>I don't know one person that's done it ... mostly because they already know
>how to race ... at least the people I race with.
rFactor had to balance it because what fun is it to sit at home and race the
computer? I bought my son (for his xbo360) called dirt, and like you I was
instantly turned off that I have to "unlock" a goddamn game I bought. Why
it is different for online? I guess I feel some reward that when I join a
race with my 4.3 safety rating at oval B licence level, that it should mean
to otheres (as it does to me) that I have worked my way up there.

Ill finish later I ran out of time....
>>
>> You have to give a little to get a little, for Jesus Chryslers sake man.
>> If that effort is too much for you, then I don't know if I want to race
>> with you either, you know?
>
> I'd beat you anyway. I put in a lot of effort on my 1995 IndyCar
> leagues ... you don't even know me and you think because it's not iRacing
> that it doesn't count ... and your holier than thou attitude typifies so
> many iRacing zealots and that is a main reason why I can't do it. Not only
> that, iRacing doesn't offer a series type or a car I'm interested in. And
> if you feel like you need to be validated by progressing through a career,
> more power to you. But if you feel like the only qualifier for you racing
> with me is that I have to play that little game that iRacing offers up,
> rather then judging me on my racing ability ... I don't want to race with
> you either. And that's exactly why I find so many iRacing zealots arrogant
> and offensive. And the arrogant divisiveness that iRacing has created, has
> done more harm to SIM Racing overall then good and all you have to do is
> look at how many members that have come, then gone, to know they have
> turned people off. It ain't good. Their megalomaniacal management is
> flawed. Half the members that have stayed don't like it.
>
> People come back to our leagues saying definitively they will not be doing
> any more iRacing. They have been alienated. It's not just the game that
> turns people off, it's the arrogance of "We're in iRacing and you're not!"
> that keep people from going.
>
> While im gone here where I probably crossed the line
>> there... answer me this: if you were to start a real life racing career
>> you are telling me you would "start" in formula one? I know, mostly not
>> just because of money? No, not just money, but also because of Skill.
>> That is all, fair enough?
>
> I started in Viper Racing. Then GPL then a dozen other SIM's. But now
> because iRacing's here, I don't know how to race? "Come to iRacing Jesus.
> It's the only path to SIM enlightenment."
>
>
> Not saying you aren't damn fine sim racer, maybe your
>> real name is Skip Barber, but even he worked his way up.
>
> Done worked my way up, son.
>
> but I haven't
>> raced you, so how would I know? So you spend a very short 4 weeks
>> showing us (Iracing and me (ONLY saying and me, because I am a member I
>> can see your stats as they accumulate)) that you can drive as fast as you
>> talk... then you move up, no sweat! Some reason you think you should get
>> to skip all that?
>
> I have done iRacing and it takes more then 4 weeks, plus as I said above
> they don't offer the car I want to drive. Plus I want to race the car I
> want to race, when I want to race and with whom I want to race. And there
> is a group of guys over there, that are in control that alienated me and a
> large group of SIM racers in 2004 and now they want me to pay there wages
> while being in a format of high restrictions ..... No.
>
> I have heard this same argument from a dozen people and I've heard a dozen
> more have my argument. But all you have to do is look at how many people
> are subscribed and you have your answer. It's a loser. There is no way
> that John Henry will continue to back this loser unless they get some more
> paying members. When I say loser I mean financial loser. Take there
> employees and estimate their salaries and expenses (office, IT, ....) and
> then estimate iRacing income and you will see that there is a big hole
> over there that John Henry's throwing money down and it has no bottom.
>>
>> To me, you sound less like you hate iRacing, but more like you hate
>> competition, earning your way up, and proving yourself. Well IMHO I
>> think you (if that is right) should avoid iRacing at all costs...
>
> Again, your holier than thou attitude. You are what's wrong with iRacing.
> You and your type.
>

"PlowBoy" > wrote in message
...
> Niles.
>
> I wouldn't doubt you beat me at many things. I was shocked to read that
> you are 56? you sounded more like 15, in the original post/reply lol. No
> I'm not being holier than thou I'm trying to put perspective. It is a
> club, you are old enough to know that you don't even join (back in your
> day) the neiborhood bully's club without earning respect and rank.

Never wanted too.



> The only way to get either is to race, earn points. that was all I meant.
>
> Niles, I am not one of those authors that sound as good when typing, I was
> trying to be provocative but not personal.
> "Niles Anders" > wrote in message
> ...
>> PlowBoy, wrote:
>>
>> First off let me say that I love the physics and the scanning concept.
>> Also I like the fact they are using a tire dyno to recon info.
>>
>>> Niles, no offense... All I can say is damn, unless you are the king or
>>> the son of the king, you don't start ANY PLACE on the planet, AT THE
>>> TOP... you work your way up. Sheesh.
>>
>> I'm 56 years old and have already been to school ... even SIM Racing
>> school, I've been SIM Racing for 11 years. I want to race the cars I'm
>> driving now and I don't need to have a faux career to know I can SIM race
>> or get to a car I already know how to drive.
>
> I disagree, this same thing weeds the set top mentality people out, which
> in the whole makes it better... every signup deal-wave that brought
> newbies to iRacing, brought with them a percentage of those who go "phuck
> it, floor it into one, wreck & who cares, it is just a game" and we cant
> handle that as a Club. It has to mimick something, they chose it to
> mimick more like real life, earn you way up. how else can it be handled?
> I mean I dont have my own server I cant ban the phucktards but iracing can
> group them together at least.
>
> I do AArmy, it is free all they ask is that you dont cheat, 90% of the
> servers rank you, from cheats that ban you (punk buster) and kill ratios,
> time in rank, **** like that, and afaik other games are the same way,
> howver what is different about iracing doing it the way it is done?
> little I really feel...
>
>>That's the game part of iRacing that turns me off. iRacing says it's more
>>SIM but it's really more game. rFactor has a career mode built into it and
>>I don't know one person that's done it ... mostly because they already
>>know how to race ... at least the people I race with.
> rFactor had to balance it because what fun is it to sit at home and race
> the computer? I bought my son (for his xbo360) called dirt, and like you
> I was instantly turned off that I have to "unlock" a goddamn game I
> bought. Why it is different for online? I guess I feel some reward that
> when I join a race with my 4.3 safety rating at oval B licence level, that
> it should mean to otheres (as it does to me) that I have worked my way up
> there.
>
> Ill finish later I ran out of time....
>>>
>>> You have to give a little to get a little, for Jesus Chryslers sake man.
>>> If that effort is too much for you, then I don't know if I want to race
>>> with you either, you know?
>>
>> I'd beat you anyway. I put in a lot of effort on my 1995 IndyCar
>> leagues ... you don't even know me and you think because it's not iRacing
>> that it doesn't count ... and your holier than thou attitude typifies so
>> many iRacing zealots and that is a main reason why I can't do it. Not
>> only that, iRacing doesn't offer a series type or a car I'm interested
>> in. And if you feel like you need to be validated by progressing through
>> a career, more power to you. But if you feel like the only qualifier for
>> you racing with me is that I have to play that little game that iRacing
>> offers up, rather then judging me on my racing ability ... I don't want
>> to race with you either. And that's exactly why I find so many iRacing
>> zealots arrogant and offensive. And the arrogant divisiveness that
>> iRacing has created, has done more harm to SIM Racing overall then good
>> and all you have to do is look at how many members that have come, then
>> gone, to know they have turned people off. It ain't good. Their
>> megalomaniacal management is flawed. Half the members that have stayed
>> don't like it.
>>
>> People come back to our leagues saying definitively they will not be
>> doing any more iRacing. They have been alienated. It's not just the game
>> that turns people off, it's the arrogance of "We're in iRacing and you're
>> not!" that keep people from going.
>>
>> While im gone here where I probably crossed the line
>>> there... answer me this: if you were to start a real life racing
>>> career you are telling me you would "start" in formula one? I know,
>>> mostly not just because of money? No, not just money, but also because
>>> of Skill. That is all, fair enough?
>>
>> I started in Viper Racing. Then GPL then a dozen other SIM's. But now
>> because iRacing's here, I don't know how to race? "Come to iRacing Jesus.
>> It's the only path to SIM enlightenment."
>>
>>
>> Not saying you aren't damn fine sim racer, maybe your
>>> real name is Skip Barber, but even he worked his way up.
>>
>> Done worked my way up, son.
>>
>> but I haven't
>>> raced you, so how would I know? So you spend a very short 4 weeks
>>> showing us (Iracing and me (ONLY saying and me, because I am a member I
>>> can see your stats as they accumulate)) that you can drive as fast as
>>> you talk... then you move up, no sweat! Some reason you think you
>>> should get to skip all that?
>>
>> I have done iRacing and it takes more then 4 weeks, plus as I said above
>> they don't offer the car I want to drive. Plus I want to race the car I
>> want to race, when I want to race and with whom I want to race. And there
>> is a group of guys over there, that are in control that alienated me and
>> a large group of SIM racers in 2004 and now they want me to pay there
>> wages while being in a format of high restrictions ..... No.
>>
>> I have heard this same argument from a dozen people and I've heard a
>> dozen more have my argument. But all you have to do is look at how many
>> people are subscribed and you have your answer. It's a loser. There is no
>> way that John Henry will continue to back this loser unless they get some
>> more paying members. When I say loser I mean financial loser. Take there
>> employees and estimate their salaries and expenses (office, IT, ....) and
>> then estimate iRacing income and you will see that there is a big hole
>> over there that John Henry's throwing money down and it has no bottom.
>>>
>>> To me, you sound less like you hate iRacing, but more like you hate
>>> competition, earning your way up, and proving yourself. Well IMHO I
>>> think you (if that is right) should avoid iRacing at all costs...
>>
>> Again, your holier than thou attitude. You are what's wrong with iRacing.
>> You and your type.
>>
>

testicle thanks for interjecting yourself into the discussion, but please
try to read the not so elaborate rants at least once, then think about what
is being said... the "bully club" was mentioned as it is probably the
easiest club you can join, in fat as I understand it you kids are hell
pressed to not join one, end even more you don't start at the top of that
food chain either, so saying you didn't want to join one, then cross that
one off, and insert the ****ing club you would have liked to see typed
there, maybe it is the ****ing playboy club, I don't know, but I again refer
you to, that you don't get Hef's benefits just for paying the entry fee to
the club, for Chrysler's sake...


"David Fisher's Left Testicle" <dfg.myass@aol> wrote in message
...
>
> "PlowBoy" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Niles.
>>
>> I wouldn't doubt you beat me at many things. I was shocked to read that
>> you are 56? you sounded more like 15, in the original post/reply lol.
>> No I'm not being holier than thou I'm trying to put perspective. It is a
>> club, you are old enough to know that you don't even join (back in your
>> day) the neiborhood bully's club without earning respect and rank.
>
> Never wanted too.
>
>
>
>> The only way to get either is to race, earn points. that was all I
>> meant.
>>
>> Niles, I am not one of those authors that sound as good when typing, I
>> was trying to be provocative but not personal.
>> "Niles Anders" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> PlowBoy, wrote:
>>>
>>> First off let me say that I love the physics and the scanning concept.
>>> Also I like the fact they are using a tire dyno to recon info.
>>>
>>>> Niles, no offense... All I can say is damn, unless you are the king or
>>>> the son of the king, you don't start ANY PLACE on the planet, AT THE
>>>> TOP... you work your way up. Sheesh.
>>>
>>> I'm 56 years old and have already been to school ... even SIM Racing
>>> school, I've been SIM Racing for 11 years. I want to race the cars I'm
>>> driving now and I don't need to have a faux career to know I can SIM
>>> race or get to a car I already know how to drive.
>>
>> I disagree, this same thing weeds the set top mentality people out, which
>> in the whole makes it better... every signup deal-wave that brought
>> newbies to iRacing, brought with them a percentage of those who go "phuck
>> it, floor it into one, wreck & who cares, it is just a game" and we cant
>> handle that as a Club. It has to mimick something, they chose it to
>> mimick more like real life, earn you way up. how else can it be handled?
>> I mean I dont have my own server I cant ban the phucktards but iracing
>> can group them together at least.
>>
>> I do AArmy, it is free all they ask is that you dont cheat, 90% of the
>> servers rank you, from cheats that ban you (punk buster) and kill ratios,
>> time in rank, **** like that, and afaik other games are the same way,
>> howver what is different about iracing doing it the way it is done?
>> little I really feel...
>>
>>>That's the game part of iRacing that turns me off. iRacing says it's more
>>>SIM but it's really more game. rFactor has a career mode built into it
>>>and I don't know one person that's done it ... mostly because they
>>>already know how to race ... at least the people I race with.
>> rFactor had to balance it because what fun is it to sit at home and race
>> the computer? I bought my son (for his xbo360) called dirt, and like you
>> I was instantly turned off that I have to "unlock" a goddamn game I
>> bought. Why it is different for online? I guess I feel some reward that
>> when I join a race with my 4.3 safety rating at oval B licence level,
>> that it should mean to otheres (as it does to me) that I have worked my
>> way up there.
>>
>> Ill finish later I ran out of time....
>>>>
>>>> You have to give a little to get a little, for Jesus Chryslers sake
>>>> man. If that effort is too much for you, then I don't know if I want to
>>>> race with you either, you know?
>>>
>>> I'd beat you anyway. I put in a lot of effort on my 1995 IndyCar
>>> leagues ... you don't even know me and you think because it's not
>>> iRacing that it doesn't count ... and your holier than thou attitude
>>> typifies so many iRacing zealots and that is a main reason why I can't
>>> do it. Not only that, iRacing doesn't offer a series type or a car I'm
>>> interested in. And if you feel like you need to be validated by
>>> progressing through a career, more power to you. But if you feel like
>>> the only qualifier for you racing with me is that I have to play that
>>> little game that iRacing offers up, rather then judging me on my racing
>>> ability ... I don't want to race with you either. And that's exactly why
>>> I find so many iRacing zealots arrogant and offensive. And the arrogant
>>> divisiveness that iRacing has created, has done more harm to SIM Racing
>>> overall then good and all you have to do is look at how many members
>>> that have come, then gone, to know they have turned people off. It ain't
>>> good. Their megalomaniacal management is flawed. Half the members that
>>> have stayed don't like it.
>>>
>>> People come back to our leagues saying definitively they will not be
>>> doing any more iRacing. They have been alienated. It's not just the game
>>> that turns people off, it's the arrogance of "We're in iRacing and
>>> you're not!" that keep people from going.
>>>
>>> While im gone here where I probably crossed the line
>>>> there... answer me this: if you were to start a real life racing
>>>> career you are telling me you would "start" in formula one? I know,
>>>> mostly not just because of money? No, not just money, but also because
>>>> of Skill. That is all, fair enough?
>>>
>>> I started in Viper Racing. Then GPL then a dozen other SIM's. But now
>>> because iRacing's here, I don't know how to race? "Come to iRacing
>>> Jesus. It's the only path to SIM enlightenment."
>>>
>>>
>>> Not saying you aren't damn fine sim racer, maybe your
>>>> real name is Skip Barber, but even he worked his way up.
>>>
>>> Done worked my way up, son.
>>>
>>> but I haven't
>>>> raced you, so how would I know? So you spend a very short 4 weeks
>>>> showing us (Iracing and me (ONLY saying and me, because I am a member
>>>> I can see your stats as they accumulate)) that you can drive as fast as
>>>> you talk... then you move up, no sweat! Some reason you think you
>>>> should get to skip all that?
>>>
>>> I have done iRacing and it takes more then 4 weeks, plus as I said above
>>> they don't offer the car I want to drive. Plus I want to race the car I
>>> want to race, when I want to race and with whom I want to race. And
>>> there is a group of guys over there, that are in control that alienated
>>> me and a large group of SIM racers in 2004 and now they want me to pay
>>> there wages while being in a format of high restrictions ..... No.
>>>
>>> I have heard this same argument from a dozen people and I've heard a
>>> dozen more have my argument. But all you have to do is look at how many
>>> people are subscribed and you have your answer. It's a loser. There is
>>> no way that John Henry will continue to back this loser unless they get
>>> some more paying members. When I say loser I mean financial loser. Take
>>> there employees and estimate their salaries and expenses (office, IT,
>>> ....) and then estimate iRacing income and you will see that there is a
>>> big hole over there that John Henry's throwing money down and it has no
>>> bottom.
>>>>
>>>> To me, you sound less like you hate iRacing, but more like you hate
>>>> competition, earning your way up, and proving yourself. Well IMHO I
>>>> think you (if that is right) should avoid iRacing at all costs...
>>>
>>> Again, your holier than thou attitude. You are what's wrong with
>>> iRacing. You and your type.
>>>
>>
>

Typical Testicular,

takes a vid that supports ANYTHING except what you hate about iRacing, what
you got and what you are using for evidence was a bunch of "Join the race,
it is a game, it don't count, pass and wreck or whatever it is just a game
mentality bull****.." called 13th week, where wrecks and ratings don't
count, and everyone knows it. Funny still is, that you keep telling all of
us you want iRacing to let everyone do this from signup onward! Plus you
want it for free, right? Kewl beans.

"David Fisher's Left Testicle" <dfg.myass@aol> wrote in message
...
>
> "Andrew MacPherson" > wrote in message
> ...
>> (DavErb) wrote:
>>
>>> Something you may or may not get over-excited about is the
>>> Spec racer Ford.
>>
>> I'm *far* more excited about it as a very much needed boost to the format
>> for new
>> subscribers. They may not be able to drive it at first, but it won't take
>> long to
>> qualify for races, and in the mean time they can at least test it and
>> discover (I
>> hope, having never driven it) what potential iRacing has. The Solstice
>> was never
>> cut out to be an advert for anything other than scrap metal dealerships!
>>
>> Hopefully there will be big fields in these races though (a combination
>> of
>> enthusiasts and rookies) then I might get dragged out of my Skip Barber
>> for a while.
>> :-)
>>
>> In the mean time initial race reports form the mixed class races are
>> somewhat
>> glowing.
>>
>> http://www.wegame.com/watch/Mixed_Class_Racing/
>>
> Great vid. But check out the appalling driving of the blue spec racing,
> who side swipes one car and then bumps another. Clearly there are unsafe
> Muppets in iRacing still.

"Part 2"
Please Niles dont take me that badly, I was hurried last week.

> I'm 56 years old and have already been to school ... even SIM Racing
> school, I've been SIM Racing for 11 years. I want to race the cars I'm
> driving now and I don't need to have a faux career to know I can SIM race
> or get to a car I already know how to drive. That's the game part of
> iRacing that turns me off. iRacing says it's more SIM but it's really more
> game. rFactor has a career mode built into it and I don't know one person
> that's done it ... mostly because they already know how to race ... at
> least the people I race with.
>>
>> You have to give a little to get a little, for Jesus Chryslers sake man.
>> If that effort is too much for you, then I don't know if I want to race
>> with you either, you know?
>
> I'd beat you anyway. I put in a lot of effort on my 1995 IndyCar
> leagues ... you don't even know me and you think because it's not iRacing
> that it doesn't count

Damn dude, I been racing online since the late 80's had to prove myself each
and every league I ever joined or started, there are quite a few I was in as
well, bud.

it is no sweat, you just have an attitude maybe because you are
comfortable, I can relate BTW>. It was hard at first. think positive.
Nobody it trying to take you to the dark side, if you hate it, then fine.
Im not going to say the iRacing gods will strike you down, LOL.

Im not trying to be snob, but dayum... so you think you cant be A: bothered
to prove yourself? B: Nobody should have to?

I mean it is like you are beggin me to "let you in, at your level of course"
wink wink, but keep the rifraff out please. Is that not what youre saying?
I know you are older, Im 43, I kind of feel that way to at first. You will
just have to trust me, reward without some accomplishment, well it is
nothing.

You sound (after reading this post Im posting into) like someone who would
really like it, if you would give it a chance, instead of being genuinely
turned so off by what others percieve to be the problem.

Did iRacing solve all sim racing problems? Hell no. Do you still race
jerks? yeah. Are some snobs? Hell yes they are, even social workers are
snobs at times. damn. but dont let me sway you, just know that yeah, you
would have to be a rookie and be entrusted with inferior cars to start with
I guess. I think my attitude was different is all, and so I didnt hate it
as much...

that is my opinion, you can have yours... I only wasted my time typing
because I "thought" if I could persuade you to take a different thought
process when hating the stuff, think about something more positive, that is
all. Think about the problems they do get around. it is like Laws and
rules in real life. Set some basic standards that you expect people to
follow. Just like your damn league was faced with. I know if I joined yoru
league and raced to crash the races out all the time, without some rule for
recourse, your friends would quit showing up. Dont lie to me either, been
runnin in leagues now for 18 years

Im not holier than thou trying to point these things out to you... Lord
knows I have had to be reminded as well. I still hate the game called DIRT,
but I love racing (C)ORR2 in rFactor with other people who take it at least
a little seriously (like minded people who race you hard, race clean, and
arent afraid to rub as well, compared to joining in with a bunch of
phucktards. join 5 races this week, if they arent the same guys each time,
tell me it wasnt chaos.

AND unless I own the server it is hard to run the tards off... Then there
was that little problem with, you made 1 guy out of 20 on the server admin
group ****ed and you are banned (unless the other 19 like you enough to
force the one guy to grow up). Some of this is experience some is seeing it
done! you know as well as I do how it goes, since you been racing since
Viper (loved that sim as well, BTW)! I started online racing right after
hawaii (nascar original) when we only had TEN which was 20 bucks a month if
you signed up for 6 months at a time, PLUS I had to pay ****ing long
distance to get online, AND pay for internet access dialup speeds that was
not cheap like now...

You want it bad enough, and it is good enough, you will pay... you sound
like someone who isnt that different.

It aint like stealing music days of the 80's and 90's, where they get paid
for radio and LP sales, and keep making music. nope today stuff costs
more. I think this is it, online racing... Your dime! or else it wont
exist. dont need to be Nostradomas to see that either.


I read above this and thought, dang dude sounds very cool and one of those
guys you could have fun racing with... then I read below, and say **** it,
whatever man.

.... and your holier than thou attitude
> typifies so many iRacing zealots and that is a main reason why I can't do
> it. Not only that, iRacing doesn't offer a series type or a car I'm
> interested in. And if you feel like you need to be validated by
> progressing through a career, more power to you. But if you feel like the
> only qualifier for you racing with me is that I have to play that little
> game that iRacing offers up, rather then judging me on my racing ability
> ... I don't want to race with you either. And that's exactly why I find so
> many iRacing zealots arrogant and offensive. And the arrogant divisiveness
> that iRacing has created, has done more harm to SIM Racing overall then
> good and all you have to do is look at how many members that have come,
> then gone, to know they have turned people off. It ain't good. Their
> megalomaniacal management is flawed. Half the members that have stayed
> don't like it.
>
> People come back to our leagues saying definitively they will not be doing
> any more iRacing. They have been alienated. It's not just the game that
> turns people off, it's the arrogance of "We're in iRacing and you're not!"
> that keep people from going.

Like there havent been people who didnt like the way you ran things either,
so would you suggest on what you know that I join your league, or would you
suggest on what others are bitching about your leage to stay the hell away?
(assuming of course that you didnt already hate me for my holier than thou
iRacing attitude I seem to have, please answere that)
>
> While im gone here where I probably crossed the line
>> there... answer me this: if you were to start a real life racing career
>> you are telling me you would "start" in formula one? I know, mostly not
>> just because of money? No, not just money, but also because of Skill.
>> That is all, fair enough?
>
> I started in Viper Racing. Then GPL then a dozen other SIM's. But now
> because iRacing's here, I don't know how to race? "Come to iRacing Jesus.
> It's the only path to SIM enlightenment."

What do I hate about iRacing? I like pretty much everything eccept the price
and fanboys like you.

"PlowBoy" > wrote in message
...
> Typical Testicular,
>
> takes a vid that supports ANYTHING except what you hate about iRacing,
> what you got and what you are using for evidence was a bunch of "Join the
> race, it is a game, it don't count, pass and wreck or whatever it is just
> a game mentality bull****.." called 13th week, where wrecks and ratings
> don't count, and everyone knows it. Funny still is, that you keep telling
> all of us you want iRacing to let everyone do this from signup onward!
> Plus you want it for free, right? Kewl beans.
>
> "David Fisher's Left Testicle" <dfg.myass@aol> wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Andrew MacPherson" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> (DavErb) wrote:
>>>
>>>> Something you may or may not get over-excited about is the
>>>> Spec racer Ford.
>>>
>>> I'm *far* more excited about it as a very much needed boost to the
>>> format for new
>>> subscribers. They may not be able to drive it at first, but it won't
>>> take long to
>>> qualify for races, and in the mean time they can at least test it and
>>> discover (I
>>> hope, having never driven it) what potential iRacing has. The Solstice
>>> was never
>>> cut out to be an advert for anything other than scrap metal dealerships!
>>>
>>> Hopefully there will be big fields in these races though (a combination
>>> of
>>> enthusiasts and rookies) then I might get dragged out of my Skip Barber
>>> for a while.
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> In the mean time initial race reports form the mixed class races are
>>> somewhat
>>> glowing.
>>>
>>> http://www.wegame.com/watch/Mixed_Class_Racing/
>>>
>> Great vid. But check out the appalling driving of the blue spec racing,
>> who side swipes one car and then bumps another. Clearly there are unsafe
>> Muppets in iRacing still.
>

More iRacing frustrations...

The service update today is excellent. They've replaced the Advanced Solstice with
the Spec Racer Ford. It handles like an unruly child compared to the Skip Barber
(IMO anyway) but it's a *huge* improvement on the Solstice which should make a
major change to the Rookie subscriber testing the service out. It shows the sim's
potential very well indeed.

But today they also add a 24 hours of fun server for the SRF. Great you say! A
chance to test it online! Except it's Watkins Glen which few of the lower series
run. You can virtually hear the marketing wheels working. Free car, now while
enthusiasm levels are high, gouge them for a track most of them don't own. The
alternative, putting it on a track everyone owns from top to bottom of iRacing,
would have been such a great opportunity to involve everyone and do some community
building.

Sigh.

Today of all days I want to tip my hat to iRacing. They are making changes, slowly,
which ought to make it a much better service for all. But so often you can see
though the curtain and see the little man (or woman!) pulling the accounting levers.
Ultimately it's this feeling that I'm being 'milked' which continues to make me
uncomfortable.

One the one hand I want to say the SRF and Skip, running races every two hours, but
only an hour apart, is enough to make me want to subscribe for a year and get the
cheap rate (which is, after all, pretty reasonable *if* you can avoid additional
costs). But on the other hand...

Mmm... I'm amazed at how easily I'm led down this roller coaster ride of an
experience. I really should know better by now!

Andrew McP

PS They've dropped the fee for monthly subscription from $20 to $19 as well,
because apparently that's how a lot of people still choose to pay. Not a bad
gesture, I suppose. But still only a gesture considering how much more expensive it
is than the discounted 3/6/12 month rates.

PPS And for the record, the last user-gathered stats show that over 5000 racers
were active in the last week. One way or another the service seems to be growing;
though it can be hard to tell that sometimes from the numbers on the tracks.

Andrew MacPherson wrote:

> Today of all days I want to tip my hat to iRacing. They are making changes, slowly,
> which ought to make it a much better service for all. But so often you can see
> though the curtain and see the little man (or woman!) pulling the accounting levers.
> Ultimately it's this feeling that I'm being 'milked' which continues to make me
> uncomfortable.

Don't forget there were some rumblings by those who had looked forward
to the Spec racer that it was an advanced Rookie car run at a repeating
set of Rookie tracks.

I totally agree with you it is a great move to provide an alternative to
the Solstice for necomeres to get to feel the real potential of iRacing.

Given everyone will have the opportunity to run the SRF next week I
think this is for those who wanted the SRF at some of the other tracks.

WG has been used for several fun series so I would doubt they have sold
that many today.

For oval fans the Nationwide car feels much more driveable than the COT
which is pretty much as it should be. So Andrew, you could buy the
Nationwide car, Watkins Glen and Road Atlanta and get a discount

Cheers
Tony