oxygen sensors

z wrote:

> best replacement plug wires for a B16?
> tia.

OEM for sure.

On Sep 23, 1:12*pm, Eternal Searcher
> wrote:
> z wrote:
> > best replacement plug wires for a B16?
> > tia.
>
> OEM for sure.

wow. they're cheaper, too!

jim beam wrote:
> Tegger wrote:
>> wrote in news:8cb00b96-fc1b-4029-bf77-72b135e20658
>> @z6g2000pre.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> You can actually get a Denso in a Bosch box!
>>
>>
>>
>> Part number? Photo? Some kind of proof of this?
>>
>>
>>
>
> bosch sometimes recondition denso starter motors, but that's all i've
> seen. can't imagine why they'd re-sell denso sensors. no way i'd use a
> bosch sensor on a honda anyway.


I don't know if they re-sell Denso, but they might. More likely, they
sell the same Chinese-made junk that Denso buys for some applications.
They DO use much poorer builders and processes for some of their
aftermarket parts for the same application where their OEM parts are
quite good.

On Sep 16, 6:22*pm, Tegger > wrote:
> Steve B. > wrote in news:qsb0d4laj2ptl1dgenqn9uk43ql9ua4pcp@
> 4ax.com:
>
> > On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:56:45 -0700 (PDT), z >
> > wrote:
>
> >>On Sep 15, 2:56*pm, z > wrote:
> >>> any reason not to buy an aftermarket O2 sensor over the factory O2
> >>> sensor? tia
>
> >>while i'm on *the subject:
>
> >>i'm just winging *this repair, so does this sound like not too
> >>halfbaked a diagnostic:
> > I would be surprised if this turned out to be an O2 problem. *Sounds
> > more like an ignition problem, especially with the puddle in the
> > picture.
>
> Old wires, I'll bet.
>
> --
> Tegger

as it turned out: bad wire; which fixed, allowed the ecu to tell me my
o2 sensor was bad.

I don't work for Bosch . Just here to talk about the good, bad and
ugly of cars.

We all have different experiences I certainly respect that. I don't
doubt your bad experiences with Bosch, but I've had excellent luck
with them. Especially the planar types, using them to fix cheap Denso
junk related problems like the P0420 converter efficiency problem (no
converter replacement necessary). As some pointed out, Honda actually
uses Bosch in some cars. Toyota TSBs replaced wideband Denso junk.

http://www.boschautoparts.com/Produc...s/PlanarO2.htm

If Denso junk work then use them. Fram oil filters and Bridgestone
tires work for many too. So the owner decides.




On Sep 19, 8:23*pm, jim beam > wrote:
> why do you always flog bosch dude? *are you sponsored in some way?
> there's no one else on this group i've ever seen agree with you. *quite
> the opposite in fact - and fwiw, /my/ personal experience with bosch has
> been awful.

OEM (most likely made by NGK, like OEM plugs). And NGK Laser-
Iridiums.



On Sep 23, 9:35*am, z > wrote:
> best replacement plug wires for a B16?
> tia.

Most Hondas use better parts like NGK spark plugs (I prefer NGK
Iridium-IX or Laser-Iridiums), Nissin/Findlex/Akebono brake pads, and
Gates timing belts, not the cheaper Denso, NBK pads or Mitsuboshi/
Bando that's showing up more unfortunately these days.

IMO Denso's lower tech stuff work fine. More sophisticated things like
ABS module they still have to use Bosch or licensed builds from Bosch.



On Sep 23, 1:22*pm, Steve > wrote:
> I don't know if they re-sell Denso, but they might. More likely, they
> sell the same Chinese-made junk that Denso buys for some applications.
> They DO use much poorer builders and processes for some of their
> aftermarket parts for the same application where their OEM parts are
> quite good.

wrote in news:26c00f22-d0ce-4e21-b182-b175d6852906
@s9g2000prg.googlegroups.com:

> Most Hondas use better parts like NGK spark plugs



I think they come OEM with Denso plugs, like Toyota.



> (I prefer NGK
> Iridium-IX or Laser-Iridiums), Nissin/Findlex/Akebono brake pads,



And Sumitomo.



> and
> Gates timing belts,



Unitta, actually. Gates now owns Unitta, but it's still Unitta.

Maybe North American-built cars use Gates branded belts.



> not the cheaper Denso, NBK pads or Mitsuboshi/
> Bando that's showing up more unfortunately these days.



Honda has used Mitsuboshi and Bando as OEM for V-belts and ribbed accessory
drive belts respectively for at least twenty years, if not longer.


--
Tegger

wrote:
> Most Hondas use better parts like NGK spark plugs (I prefer NGK
> Iridium-IX or Laser-Iridiums), Nissin/Findlex/Akebono brake pads, and
> Gates timing belts, not the cheaper Denso, NBK pads or Mitsuboshi/
> Bando that's showing up more unfortunately these days.

what's wrong with bando? not only are they oem, i've been using them
for years and they've been great.



>
> IMO Denso's lower tech stuff work fine. More sophisticated things like
> ABS module they still have to use Bosch or licensed builds from Bosch.
>
>
>
> On Sep 23, 1:22�pm, Steve > wrote:
>> I don't know if they re-sell Denso, but they might. More likely, they
>> sell the same Chinese-made junk that Denso buys for some applications.
>> They DO use much poorer builders and processes for some of their
>> aftermarket parts for the same application where their OEM parts are
>> quite good.
>

wrote:
> I don't work for Bosch . Just here to talk about the good, bad and
> ugly of cars.
>
> We all have different experiences I certainly respect that. I don't
> doubt your bad experiences with Bosch, but I've had excellent luck
> with them. Especially the planar types, using them to fix cheap Denso
> junk related problems like the P0420 converter efficiency problem (no
> converter replacement necessary). As some pointed out, Honda actually
> uses Bosch in some cars. Toyota TSBs replaced wideband Denso junk.
>
> http://www.boschautoparts.com/Produc...s/PlanarO2.htm

with respect, i think you're confused. just because a sensor is
wideband, doesn't mean it's bosch or some kind of re-labeled bosch.




>
> If Denso junk work then use them. Fram oil filters and Bridgestone
> tires work for many too. So the owner decides.

so exactly why do you think denso are junk? i've worked with both - not
only is denso better build quality, they last longer. i ask because i
don't understand what you're looking for that makes the difference to you.

if you mean that just because it fudges a "pass" on a smog check because
it has looser tolerances aimed for exactly that purpose, /i/ don't think
that makes it better quality, i think it makes is a fudge.

>
>
>
>
> On Sep 19, 8:23�pm, jim beam > wrote:
>> why do you always flog bosch dude? �are you sponsored in some way?
>> there's no one else on this group i've ever seen agree with you. �quite
>> the opposite in fact - and fwiw, /my/ personal experience with bosch has
>> been awful.