HELP with 1983 Audi 4000s 4cyl gas clutch

OK I need someone experienced with switching the clutch and possibly
flywheel over.
NOTE: Only talking about 4 cylinder gas engines (1.7L & 1.8L)!

I have a 1983 Audi 4000s 4cyl gas engine. (Clutch disc should measure
7-7/8" across)
I can find the larger 1984 Audi 4000s 4cyl gas engine clutch kit easier
(disc measures 8-1/4")
I will assume that the spline size is the same (same 24 spline count) I
think I have also installed a 1982 Quantum transmission into a 1987 Audi
4000s with only the CV Joint flanges needing changing.

Question is......can I use my 1983 flywheel or are the bolt holes different
on the pressure plates.
I am leaning towards believing it is an easy switch but want to ask here
first.
Can that 3/8" make that much of a difference?

I am currently trying to research the flywheels.

TIA
later,
dave
(One out of many daves)

dave AKA vwdoc1 wrote:
> OK I need someone experienced with switching the clutch and possibly
> flywheel over.
> NOTE: Only talking about 4 cylinder gas engines (1.7L & 1.8L)!
>
> I have a 1983 Audi 4000s 4cyl gas engine. (Clutch disc should measure
> 7-7/8" across)
> I can find the larger 1984 Audi 4000s 4cyl gas engine clutch kit easier
> (disc measures 8-1/4")
> I will assume that the spline size is the same (same 24 spline count) I
> think I have also installed a 1982 Quantum transmission into a 1987 Audi
> 4000s with only the CV Joint flanges needing changing.
>
> Question is......can I use my 1983 flywheel or are the bolt holes different
> on the pressure plates.
> I am leaning towards believing it is an easy switch but want to ask here
> first.
> Can that 3/8" make that much of a difference?
>
> I am currently trying to research the flywheels.
>
> TIA
> later,
> dave
> (One out of many daves)
>
>
I didn't have the experience myself so asked a friend who has cranked a lot of
wrenches on the '80s series Audis for fun and profit.

His suggestion is to just get a 2.0L and drop it in with the trans but if you
want tot do the clutch on your 1.7 he suggests getting a 1.8 clutch and flywheel
and put them in. He says that the bolt pattern for all the four cylinders are
the same.

He says that the 1.8 flywheel will be needed to match the size difference of the
clutch plate compared to the 1.7 flywheel.

Hope this helps.

Thanks TonyJ.
I have researched the flywheel today and "supposedly" it is the same for the
1.7l (200mm clutch) and 1.8l (210mm) engines. Now this might be an updated
flywheel to accomodate both clutch kits. I dunno!
I will find out if the 210mm clutch kit actually fits my flywheel that
originally had a 200mm clutch kit.
I just hoped that there was someone here that has done this very thing. ;-)
I guess my Audi is just too old!

I have already installed a 1.8l engine out of a Rabbit GTi back in 1991,
which has nice torque to me. It has always run very smooth and strong but
now my clutch pressure plate is old and I am just tired of lubing it since
it is probably rusty and hard to disengage. I have a very strong left leg
though! lol
Also my pilot bearing is probably shot after 15-16 years and 138K miles.

Yeah I thought about the 2.0l engine or even the 2.0l 16V engine but the
body on my '83 Audi 4000S is getting old and needs some rust repairs. Still
looks good but I know it will need some rust work if I keep it.
I actually have leads for any of these 2.0l engines cheap too, but I would
really love to update my entire Audi to something with a 1.8t or V6. :-)

later,
dave
(One out of many daves)


"TonyJ" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> dave AKA vwdoc1 wrote:
>> OK I need someone experienced with switching the clutch and possibly
>> flywheel over.
>> NOTE: Only talking about 4 cylinder gas engines (1.7L & 1.8L)!
>>
>> I have a 1983 Audi 4000s 4cyl gas engine. (Clutch disc should measure
>> 7-7/8" across)
>> I can find the larger 1984 Audi 4000s 4cyl gas engine clutch kit easier
>> (disc measures 8-1/4")
>> I will assume that the spline size is the same (same 24 spline count) I
>> think I have also installed a 1982 Quantum transmission into a 1987 Audi
>> 4000s with only the CV Joint flanges needing changing.
>>
>> Question is......can I use my 1983 flywheel or are the bolt holes
>> different on the pressure plates.
>> I am leaning towards believing it is an easy switch but want to ask here
>> first.
>> Can that 3/8" make that much of a difference?
>>
>> I am currently trying to research the flywheels.
>>
>>
>>
> I didn't have the experience myself so asked a friend who has cranked a
> lot of wrenches on the '80s series Audis for fun and profit.
>
> His suggestion is to just get a 2.0L and drop it in with the trans but if
> you want tot do the clutch on your 1.7 he suggests getting a 1.8 clutch
> and flywheel and put them in. He says that the bolt pattern for all the
> four cylinders are the same.
>
> He says that the 1.8 flywheel will be needed to match the size difference
> of the clutch plate compared to the 1.7 flywheel.
>
> Hope this helps.

On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 02:45:43 GMT, "dave AKA vwdoc1"
> wrote:

>Yeah I thought about the 2.0l engine or even the 2.0l 16V engine but the
>body on my '83 Audi 4000S is getting old and needs some rust repairs. Still
>looks good but I know it will need some rust work if I keep it.

What I really want to know is how your door handles are working on
that car. I had to give up Helga, my 1985 4000S, in 1999 for a 1995
VW Passat VRX for a number of reasons, one of them being that her door
handles were getting really hard to operate. Crappy design. The guy
who bought her broke a few of them and then ended up banging her
around on some concrete guardrails on an inner-city highway one
winter, so RIP. She only had about 130k miles on her, by my
reckoning. I loved that car: my parents ordered her from Audi in
Germany, drove her around there in the summer of 1985, and brought her
over to Maryland. I finally pried her from my mother's clutches after
12 years. The clutch on that car was factory and worked ok, but it
was never as nice as the factory clutch on my 98.5 Audi that I'm
driving now with almost 107k miles.

Haven't gotten to my trunk lock yet; gonna get the Marvel Mystery Oil
tomorrow on the way home from work.

Where do you live, Dave? I've got an '84 4KQ (Tornado Red/brown mouse
fur) I'd really like to get out of my barn. Decent shape except for a
bad clutch throwout arm (or pivot; I wasn't in the mood to pay ~$600
to yank the gearbox to find out which). 232K miles when parked about
6 years ago. Can you come to Wisconsin and take it?
--
C.R. Krieger
(Been there; don't need that)

I think in my 16 years of ownership I might have bought 2 of the door
handles. I keep them lube when they just start getting stiff.

Your hydraulic clutch activation system is usually easier and smoother to
operate than the cable.
Although I did work on a Quattro with a pressure plate that was so stiff
that the clutch master cylinder was cracking the firewall. 8^o

I have also used some other 'spray' lubes such as ProLong, STP(?), but my
favorite is DuraLube since it seemed to last the longest. But I think that
my favorite is very hard to find nowadays. :-(

I love my simple Audi! <g>

later,
dave
(One out of many daves)


"KLS" > wrote in message
...

> What I really want to know is how your door handles are working on
> that car. I had to give up Helga, my 1985 4000S, in 1999 for a 1995
> VW Passat VRX for a number of reasons, one of them being that her door
> handles were getting really hard to operate. Crappy design. The guy
> who bought her broke a few of them and then ended up banging her
> around on some concrete guardrails on an inner-city highway one
> winter, so RIP. She only had about 130k miles on her, by my
> reckoning. I loved that car: my parents ordered her from Audi in
> Germany, drove her around there in the summer of 1985, and brought her
> over to Maryland. I finally pried her from my mother's clutches after
> 12 years. The clutch on that car was factory and worked ok, but it
> was never as nice as the factory clutch on my 98.5 Audi that I'm
> driving now with almost 107k miles.
>
> Haven't gotten to my trunk lock yet; gonna get the Marvel Mystery Oil
> tomorrow on the way home from work.

I live close! ;-)
I live in Chicago so I can't be too far from you C.R.

Scares me when you say "brown mouse fur"! 8^o
I have seen vehicles with RATs, bees, and maybe squirrels as the
inhabitants.
I prefer good rust-free bodies. <g>

Got a picture or two? I might be interested since I still like the old body
style. ;-)

thanks,
dave
(One out of many daves)

"C.R. Krieger" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Where do you live, Dave? I've got an '84 4KQ (Tornado Red/brown mouse
> fur) I'd really like to get out of my barn. Decent shape except for a
> bad clutch throwout arm (or pivot; I wasn't in the mood to pay ~$600
> to yank the gearbox to find out which). 232K miles when parked about
> 6 years ago. Can you come to Wisconsin and take it?
> --
> C.R. Krieger
> (Been there; don't need that)
>

On Mar 28, 5:52 pm, "dave AKA vwdoc1" > wrote:
> I live close! ;-)
> I live in Chicago so I can't be too far from you C.R.

It's about 2 1/2 hours. An hour north of Milwaukee.

> Scares me when you say "brown mouse fur"! 8^o
> I have seen vehicles with RATs, bees, and maybe squirrels as the
> inhabitants.

Yeah, I know. But it's stock. Brown pinstripe. In a red car. Ick!
Durable, though. It might be a little thin on the bolsters, but I
don't think it's got any holes at all.

> I prefer good rust-free bodies. <g>

> Got a picture or two? I might be interested since I still like the old body
> style. ;-)

Man, now I gotta go out there into the barn? I'll give it a shot.
But know that it hasn't been washed in over half a decade. Covered -
sometimes - but not clean by any means. Shoot me your full email
address if yours is munged. Otherwise, I can just send what I shoot.
--
C.R. Krieger