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Consumer Reports: Saturn
None of the Saturn cars for the 2006 New Car Preview edition of Consumer
Reports have been recommended. Saturn: A different kind of company. -- ______________ =====fish===== |
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Consumer Reports: Saturn
fish wrote:
> None of the Saturn cars for the 2006 New Car Preview edition of Consumer > Reports have been recommended. > > Saturn: A different kind of company. > How is that any different from past years? |
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Consumer Reports: Saturn
Ratbert sez...
>> None of the Saturn cars for the 2006 New Car >> Preview edition of Consumer Reports have been >> recommended. >> Saturn: A different kind of company. > How is that any different from past years? It is sad because as a Saturn owner, having a reliable car for over 9 years is nice, so when I am ready for my next car, Consumer Reports does not recommend any Saturn vehicle. I will not miss the silly, "No Haggle Price Policy" because paying top price does not put a smile on my face. -- ______________ =====fish===== |
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Consumer Reports: Saturn
LOL, this comes up so frequently on every Saturn BB that it should be a
mandatory FAQ sticky, lol. Let me clarify what CR does and doesnt do and what the majority of the public doesnt recognize. I collect annual CR magazines and have noticed this long ago as well as currently, and this is why I will never trust CR for anythign more than a TV or toaster, which IMHO is all they are qualified to review. 1.) Since CR has begun reviewing Saturns they have not updated nor thoroughly tested newer model years. They just simply and lazily continue to post the same verbatim information from the original article over and over. If you look, you will read what year they last reviewed each Saturn product and you will see that they have NOT actually tested the latest model year. If you can find an original '02 thru '-05 CR Saturn review you will laugh at how they have been only repeating verbatim the same tired old article year after year. They may add in that they noticed a new facia, ect, but case in point, CR's '05 VUE review on the 4cyl automatic was still noting a CVT transmission! The '05 review on the Relay was a joke and was evidently clear that they really didnt drive the vehicle for any length of time. The '06 ION review neglects to mention the many major changes. 2.) This is one and the same magazine that has recently been sued by Consumer Agencies for putting the Ford Focus as a top rated "safe" and reliable vehicle! Hmm, unbiased and unpaid? Says who? them? I alway refer ppl to more reliable resources (and yes, even these sources may not put Saturn on the top of thier lists, but they actually DO test drive them and dont rehash old articles year after year) such as: Motor Trend and Consumer Guide. marx404 |
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Consumer Reports: Saturn
They note the date of the issue with the last review. If you want to read
the actual review of the tested car, visit the library and read it. No date then they are just summarizing it for buyers of used cars. "marx404" > wrote in message ... > LOL, this comes up so frequently on every Saturn BB that it should be a > mandatory FAQ sticky, lol. Let me clarify what CR does and doesnt do and > what the majority of the public doesnt recognize. > > I collect annual CR magazines and have noticed this long ago as well as > currently, and this is why I will never trust CR for anythign more than a > TV > or toaster, which IMHO is all they are qualified to review. > > 1.) Since CR has begun reviewing Saturns they have not updated nor > thoroughly tested newer model years. They just simply and lazily continue > to > post the same verbatim information from the original article over and > over. > If you look, you will read what year they last reviewed each Saturn > product > and you will see that they have NOT actually tested the latest model year. > If you can find an original '02 thru '-05 CR Saturn review you will laugh > at > how they have been only repeating verbatim the same tired old article year > after year. They may add in that they noticed a new facia, ect, but case > in > point, CR's '05 VUE review on the 4cyl automatic was still noting a CVT > transmission! The '05 review on the Relay was a joke and was evidently > clear > that they really didnt drive the vehicle for any length of time. The '06 > ION > review neglects to mention the many major changes. > > 2.) This is one and the same magazine that has recently been sued by > Consumer Agencies for putting the Ford Focus as a top rated "safe" and > reliable vehicle! Hmm, unbiased and unpaid? Says who? them? > > I alway refer ppl to more reliable resources (and yes, even these sources > may not put Saturn on the top of thier lists, but they actually DO test > drive them and dont rehash old articles year after year) such as: Motor > Trend and Consumer Guide. > > marx404 > > |
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Consumer Reports: Saturn
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 16:54:34 GMT, Ratbert
> wrote: >fish wrote: >> None of the Saturn cars for the 2006 New Car Preview edition of Consumer >> Reports have been recommended. >> >> Saturn: A different kind of company. >> > >How is that any different from past years? They used to recommend the SCs. As recently as 2003 they recommended the Vue, but it no longer meets their requirement of at least average reliability. They still recommend SCs and SLs as used cars in certain price ranges. |
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Consumer Reports: Saturn
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 13:52:55 -0500, "marx404" > wrote:
>LOL, this comes up so frequently on every Saturn BB that it should be a >mandatory FAQ sticky, lol. Let me clarify what CR does and doesnt do and >what the majority of the public doesnt recognize. > >I collect annual CR magazines and have noticed this long ago as well as >currently, and this is why I will never trust CR for anythign more than a TV >or toaster, which IMHO is all they are qualified to review. > >1.) Since CR has begun reviewing Saturns they have not updated nor >thoroughly tested newer model years. They just simply and lazily continue to >post the same verbatim information from the original article over and over. >If you look, you will read what year they last reviewed each Saturn product >and you will see that they have NOT actually tested the latest model year. >If you can find an original '02 thru '-05 CR Saturn review you will laugh at >how they have been only repeating verbatim the same tired old article year >after year. They may add in that they noticed a new facia, ect, but case in >point, CR's '05 VUE review on the 4cyl automatic was still noting a CVT >transmission! The '05 review on the Relay was a joke and was evidently clear >that they really didnt drive the vehicle for any length of time. The '06 ION >review neglects to mention the many major changes. I think a lot of what you are saying is deceptive if not outright wrong. There has been no review of the '06 Ion, merely a ~40 word summary of past testing - the same treatment all '06 models received in the 2006 Buying Guide. The original test of the Ion was in March '03 This was obviously a new review since the car had only been out a few months. The latest review was in the May 2005 issue. This was a completely new test including new performance statistics. While there are some items common to both reports - not surprising since they cover the same car two model years apart - most of the copy is completely different with comparisons made to the new competition and some comments that indicate previous complaints have been rectified. Similarly, the Vue was last reported in the Oct. 04 issue. Again , it is a full retest of the vehicle with different performance stats and different copy form the original May '02 report. There was no report on the 2005 model that I can find, but it is possible that the 2005 Buying Guide (mailed Oct. '04) lists a CVT as an option. This book would have been already at the printer when GM announced discontinuance of the CVT in September of that year. > >2.) This is one and the same magazine that has recently been sued by >Consumer Agencies for putting the Ford Focus as a top rated "safe" and >reliable vehicle! Hmm, unbiased and unpaid? Says who? them? Citation? I have never heard of any consumer agency ever suing CR for any reason. Nor am I aware of any safety issues regarding the Focus. >I alway refer ppl to more reliable resources (and yes, even these sources >may not put Saturn on the top of thier lists, but they actually DO test >drive them and dont rehash old articles year after year) such as: Motor >Trend and Consumer Guide. Motor Trend and Consumer Guide take advertising and test vehicles from manufacturers. In the case of Motor Trend and other car buff magazines this is par for the course. In the case of an alleged consumer advocate like Consumer Guide, it is a pathetic joke. Not only do they take advertising, their reviews are available for manufacturers to (selectively) quote. Consumer Reports uses anonymous shoppers to buy the cars it tests. It refuses all advertising and does not allow any commercial use of its product test reports. Testing is very thorough and takes at least a couple months including a 2000 mile break-in period. Another feature you won't find anywhere else, each car gets a multi-point 5 mph bumper bashing. If you are interested in knowing which magazines are most committed to thorough automotive testing, you might want to consider among Road & Track, Car and Driver, Motor Trend, Consumer Reports and Consumer Guide, which is the only one that owns its own fully equipped Test Track? The track in question is located on 327 acres and includes a 3100 foot straightaway, off-road and on-road courses, a 120 foot long rock hill, a complete garage and tire shop, snowmaking and grooming equipment and a hydroplane test area. http://tinyurl.com/au39h |
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Consumer Reports: Saturn
marx404 wrote:
> 1.) Since CR has begun reviewing Saturns they have not updated nor > thoroughly tested newer model years. This is untrue. CR does test new models, when the model really changes. The problem with Saturn and CR is that CR puts very high priority on reliability and safety, two area where Saturn has done very poorly in most years. I.e. look at the Ion rating: "http://www.iihs.org/ratings/ratingsbyseries.aspx?id=526" versus the Corolla rating: "http://www.iihs.org/ratings/ratingsbyseries.aspx?id=305" versus the Civic rating: http://www.iihs.org/ratings/ratingsbyseries.aspx?id=300 And of course in long term dependability, Saturn has always been ranked far below Toyota and Honda by J.D. Power. So don't attack CR for not recommending Saturn, blame the safety issues and the reliability issues. |
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Consumer Reports: Saturn
SMS sez...
> look at the Ion rating: > > "http://www.iihs.org/ratings/ratingsbyseries.aspx?id=526" > > versus the Corolla rating: > > "http://www.iihs.org/ratings/ratingsbyseries.aspx?id=305" > > versus the Civic rating: > > http://www.iihs.org/ratings/ratingsbyseries.aspx?id=300 Wow, what a difference! I bought a Saturn 9 years ago for one thing, dependability. Yes, it is dependable, but I want something new next year. It will be 10 years and I don't want to have to worry about any major repairs because I kept it too long. -- ______________ =====fish===== |
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Consumer Reports: Saturn
wow, Im not trolling here guys, but fish, ya make me laugh, think about it.
You have had your trusty Saturn 9 yrs and you question its reliability? What Im saying here guys, is not deceptive. CR is biased and thier articles are based on testing older models than what is currently availiable, if not based upon outdated information. Thier reccomendation of the Focus IMHO was reprehensible and biased, the '05 reviews on Saturns were based on outdated info. 6 months after the VUE had been redesigned, CR was still publishing that it failed the rollover testing which was incorrect as that issue was already fixed. I could go on but I'll spare you. Just so you know, we always keep a number of current mags at our desk including CR so ppl can actually read the articles. When they get to CR, we always have alternate (and more updated) info onhand to correct thier faux pas. Now IMHO, the ecotec engine is far better than the old shaky 1.9. Yes, the ION is not a cute as the old S series and everyone says so in every mag. I cant wait for the '08 makeover myself. As far as reliability, recent year IONs have had a few more issues (especially electric and battery related) but none critical enough to deserve the awful rap that CR gives it. As far as safety, I will stand by the personal stories my customers have told me throughout the years how even in a bad accident, they have walked out of an ION virtually unscathed. No magazine portrays that as well as physically speaking to a Saturn owner who has gone thru that and returns for another ION. Im not saying that the ION is the nicest looking, it isnt, nor am I saying it is the most trouble free, it isnt, but my proof has always been talking to actual owners which I do every day. marx404 |
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