Paying for new parts that aren't used

Just for your edification:

A compression test and leakdown test, shouldn't take anymore than half an
hour. Once the plugs are removed. Furthermore, a good technician can read
the plug's condition and stop right after tremoving then, and tell the
customer what he suspects.

The way I run my business is: if it's a regular customer, and I suspect it
needs a leakdown and compression test, rather than tarnish my good
reputation. I do it gratis, and don't install any unnecessary parts. Save
myself the unecessary **** on my face, and keep a regular customer, because
I'll even go as far as look in my crash estimating software, and appraise
the car for them.

Give them an educated opinion if it is even worth doing the repair or not.
all FREE!

But because of my reputation, if a person whom I have never seen comes in
for my diagnostic abilaties, I explain up front:

1: Diagnostic time is not free!

2: In this case it might only require a tune-up, but I don't just change
parts, I maintain records on the cars I service. Which I can referr to when
a problem arises.

3: If infact it only needs a tune-up, there will be no charge for the
compression and leak down test!

So please don't classify me with the dollar chasing mass merchandisers, or
the shops that want to pay the mortgage on one job, and make a killing for
the rest of the month. Homey don't play that.

Refinish King


"L0nD0t.$t0we11" > wrote in message
news:N0Ibc.66822$w54.404759@attbi_s01...
> Roughly 4/2/04 17:31, Refinish King's monkeys randomly typed:
>
> > A real mechanic would have:
> >
> > 1: Did the necessary tests before purchasing any parts.
>
> And probably suggested that none of this testing is free and the
> testing may take more time than simply replacing some of the
> more common parts causing the symptoms given by the owner.
>
> And asked the owner if they wanted to gamble that these typical
> quick fix parts would be the fix or not... or if the owner would
> like to pay for the labor to run full compression, leak tests,
> etc. just to find out it was an ignition system that hadn't been
> touched since the car was new.
>
>
> --
> Evolution is really just survival of the minimally adequate
>

Since you are such an expert?

When you removed that plug, before grounding it. Couldn't you look at it and
tell why it wasn't firing under compression?

Funny concept, but I'm sure way above your level of expertism!

ASSHOLE!

Refinish King

PS

Do you even have any concept on how to read a scope, do you even know how to
hook one up?

Can you tell no compression from the afterburn, can you tell what the burn
time is used for?

All wasted words on a Frenchman!


"Joey Tribiani" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 18:24:50 -0500, "Refinish King"
> > ran around screaming and
> yelling:
>
> >Sounds like you need to go to troubleshooting school!
> >
> >Refinish King
>
>
> I have been troubleshooting for years....so no need for school...some
> people have never had to spend alot of time tracking down a sparkplug
> that according to all tests is firing fine...pull it out, ground
> it...spark spark spark....hook a plug tester to it while engine
> running, flash flash flash....damn, plug is good...lets do a
> compression test....****, compression is great...leakdown test...nah,
> no need the compression is within 3% of "new"...okay if the tester is
> showing the plug is firing then the wire is okay...hmm....replace plug
> "just because"....damn thing is fixed...wierd huh? funny how all
> "tests" for a sparkplug show "good" even if it is shorting to ground
> INSIDE the plug...replace cheap parts to eliminate them....and as i
> have stated if the owner has no frigging idea the last time it was
> tuned up, it is ****ing rediculous to spend the time "troubleshooting"
> tune up parts...only a *MORON* would test them when they are past due
> to be replaced....but thanks for your "expert" opinion...it means the
> world to me...
> JT

On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 21:01:07 -0500, "Refinish King"
> ran around screaming and
yelling:

>Are you a technician, or someone who hung on daddies dick, when he changed
>the oil and greased your ass?

well i am obviously more of a "Technician" than you are...i have
forgotten more about internal combustion engines than you will ever
know...

>If it had a miss, and anyone that knows what they are doing, can look at a
>plug (This is called a plug reading) little girl! Can tell by the condition
>of the plug that there was a miss by a lack of spark, or a lack of
>compression.

must be hard to see through your belly button...you can NOT eliminate
a bad plug by looking at it...some you can, but not always...you have
much to learn grasshopper....


>
>If it takes you 5 hours to do a compression test and a leakdown test, I
>think the severe childhood trauma rehabilititation program you were in,
>released you way too soon.

did i say it took me five hours to do a compression test and a
leakdown? didn't think so...maybe you should work on those reading
comprehension skills after mechanic school each day...

>Carefully asses someone's post before you call
>them arrogant, I'm not Frence you flatulating sphincter.

Once again, read what i write...where did i call you arrogant? you are
losing credibility here...(as if you had any to start with)...you need
to "carefully" read, then re-read, them maybe have someone explain the
words to you so you can understand....

>Also, it would serve you well to not pick at typos, because it shows the
>mental midget creton you are. Because when you make them. Someone might
>decide to point them out to you, unless you take the time to spell check
>each post before posting it.

i did not "pick" at typo-s....i quoted you...you are a bright one
there beavis...if i was to turn "grammar nazi" on you i would damn
sure bust your balls for that abortion of the english language right
there...you are a moron and it shows...

>Unless daddy is still greasing you and behind
>you porking you and checking your spelling?
>
>Refinish King
>

sorry didn't mean to hurt your feelings and bring up the memories you
have been repressing all your life...but its not like i give a
****..."refinish king"...kinda scarey....hope you refinish better than
you read and comprehend..."mental midget creton"...what a hoot...

On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 21:06:36 -0500, "NoSpam" > ran
around screaming and yelling:

>I guess that you moved out of your glass house then! You told me not long
>ago my grammar was terrible. I guess that's because you couldn't pick at my
>facts of the post I had made.
>Practice what you preach, or better yet quit preaching and spewing
>obscenities at everyone.
>Grow up.
>
>nospam

this "refinish queen" is an amateur....amateur hackjob, um i mean
mechanic, and amateur troll...if there were three of him added
together it wouldn't amount to half a handjob...
JT

On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 21:11:35 -0500, "Refinish King"
> ran around screaming and
yelling:

>The way I run my business is: if it's a regular customer, and I suspect it
>needs a leakdown and compression test, rather than tarnish my good
>reputation. I do it gratis, and don't install any unnecessary parts. Save
>myself the unecessary **** on my face, and keep a regular customer, because
>I'll even go as far as look in my crash estimating software, and appraise
>the car for them.

seems to me someone as "smart" as you about your business would
realize that not every situation requires a compression test and
leakdown test...it is un-necessary in most cases when a vehicle is
brought into a shop...a good mechanic also keeps know good test pieces
so they don't have to guess or do un-necessary tests(even "gratis" it
cost shoptime which is money...time is money or there would be no
hourly rate)....it is just plain rediculous to even suggest going to
internal tests before eliminating the exterior possibilities...there
are more places to have problems in the secondary ignition system than
inside the cylinder/combustion chamber...
JT

On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 21:16:59 -0500, "Refinish King"
> ran around screaming and
yelling:

>Since you are such an expert?
>
>When you removed that plug, before grounding it. Couldn't you look at it and
>tell why it wasn't firing under compression?
>
>Funny concept, but I'm sure way above your level of expertism!
>
>ASSHOLE!
>
>Refinish King
>
>PS
>
>Do you even have any concept on how to read a scope, do you even know how to
>hook one up?
>
>Can you tell no compression from the afterburn, can you tell what the burn
>time is used for?
>
>All wasted words on a Frenchman!


i have a hard time believing that you can even touch your ass twice in
the same place....i grew up in autoshops, bodyshops, and
machineshops...i have been into mechanics ever since...you are an
amateur and a moron...you know just about enough to show your
stupidity...i do detect a bit of hate toward "frenchman", did one of
them molest you as a child, or just break up with you and make you
lonely?

JT(who knows that a plug can go bad and does not LOOK bad, but will
not fire under compression...so looking at the plug will NOT always
tell you "why" it's not firing undercompression...please forward the
money for the lessons to my accountant...thanks)

You learn to make sense!

Then you can knock at my door.

You're still an idiot that will fight a lost argument till your beat into
the concrete, and many others agree with me on this.

You haven't a clue, but are merely a parrot for what you read on usenet. I
learned by experience, training and many seminars.

Where is yor cirriculum vittae?

Refinish King


"NoSpam" > wrote in message
...
> I guess that you moved out of your glass house then! You told me not long
> ago my grammar was terrible. I guess that's because you couldn't pick at
my
> facts of the post I had made.
> Practice what you preach, or better yet quit preaching and spewing
> obscenities at everyone.
> Grow up.
>
> nospam
>
>
> "Refinish King" > wrote in
> message news
> > WOW!
> >
> > You're a ****ing MORON!
> >
> > How sophmoric picking on a typo?
> >
> > Are you a technician, or someone who hung on daddies dick, when he
changed
> > the oil and greased your ass?
> >
> > If it had a miss, and anyone that knows what they are doing, can look at
a
> > plug (This is called a plug reading) little girl! Can tell by the
> condition
> > of the plug that there was a miss by a lack of spark, or a lack of
> > compression.
> >
> > If it takes you 5 hours to do a compression test and a leakdown test, I
> > think the severe childhood trauma rehabilititation program you were in,
> > released you way too soon. Carefully asses someone's post before you
call
> > them arrogant, I'm not Frence you flatulating sphincter.
> >
> > Also, it would serve you well to not pick at typos, because it shows the
> > mental midget creton you are. Because when you make them. Someone might
> > decide to point them out to you, unless you take the time to spell check
> > each post before posting it. Unless daddy is still greasing you and
behind
> > you porking you and checking your spelling?
> >
> > Refinish King
> >
> >
> > "Joey Tribiani" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 18:28:18 -0500, "Refinish King"
> > > > ran around screaming and
> > > yelling:
> > >
> > > >How do you know he asked for it for free?
> > > >
> > > >How do you know he wasn't charged by the clock hours?
> > > >
> > > >When troubleshooting a miss you firts:
> > > >
> > > >do a compression check to rule out the obvious.
> > > >
> > > >If the compression is weak, you do a leakdown test to see where the
> > > >compression is leaking too.
> > > >
> > > >Then you did a diagnosis!
> > > >
> > > >Changing the plugs, cap, rotor and wires makes you a glorafied parts
> > > >changer!
> > > >
> > > >Refinish King
> > >
> > > wow...you are ignorant....do a compression check before a tuneup when
> > > it may have been 50k since a ****ing plug was changed? five hours
> > > troubleshooting is way more expensive than a set of plugs and
> > > wires...(BTW the "firts" test for a miss is *not* a compression
> > > check..it is a plug/wire/cap/rotor/coil check...you check externals
> > > before moving internal...even a shadetree knows that...why would you
> > > pull a plug to do a compression or leakdown and not test the plug?
> > > what are you a jackleg?)
> > > JT
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

An ameteur that tests before ****ing away other people's money on parts?

Interesting?

Sounds like the three O'click bell kid, get home before mommy thinks
something happened to you!

Refinish King


"Joey Tribiani" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 21:06:36 -0500, "NoSpam" > ran
> around screaming and yelling:
>
> >I guess that you moved out of your glass house then! You told me not long
> >ago my grammar was terrible. I guess that's because you couldn't pick at
my
> >facts of the post I had made.
> >Practice what you preach, or better yet quit preaching and spewing
> >obscenities at everyone.
> >Grow up.
> >
> >nospam
>
> this "refinish queen" is an amateur....amateur hackjob, um i mean
> mechanic, and amateur troll...if there were three of him added
> together it wouldn't amount to half a handjob...
> JT

Which sometimes requires hooking up the scope:

Can you read a rotor gap?

Can you read a wire resistance on a scope?

Can you do anything with a scope other than look at it and say: "WOW"


Refinish King


"Joey Tribiani" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 21:11:35 -0500, "Refinish King"
> > ran around screaming and
> yelling:
>
> >The way I run my business is: if it's a regular customer, and I suspect
it
> >needs a leakdown and compression test, rather than tarnish my good
> >reputation. I do it gratis, and don't install any unnecessary parts. Save
> >myself the unecessary **** on my face, and keep a regular customer,
because
> >I'll even go as far as look in my crash estimating software, and appraise
> >the car for them.
>
> seems to me someone as "smart" as you about your business would
> realize that not every situation requires a compression test and
> leakdown test...it is un-necessary in most cases when a vehicle is
> brought into a shop...a good mechanic also keeps know good test pieces
> so they don't have to guess or do un-necessary tests(even "gratis" it
> cost shoptime which is money...time is money or there would be no
> hourly rate)....it is just plain rediculous to even suggest going to
> internal tests before eliminating the exterior possibilities...there
> are more places to have problems in the secondary ignition system than
> inside the cylinder/combustion chamber...
> JT

Be a mechanic for a major drag racer for six years:

Then tell me what you know?

As far as the french, they dare call the Americans arrogant?

What a laugh, turncoat *******s.

Refinish King


"Joey Tribiani" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 21:16:59 -0500, "Refinish King"
> > ran around screaming and
> yelling:
>
> >Since you are such an expert?
> >
> >When you removed that plug, before grounding it. Couldn't you look at it
and
> >tell why it wasn't firing under compression?
> >
> >Funny concept, but I'm sure way above your level of expertism!
> >
> >ASSHOLE!
> >
> >Refinish King
> >
> >PS
> >
> >Do you even have any concept on how to read a scope, do you even know how
to
> >hook one up?
> >
> >Can you tell no compression from the afterburn, can you tell what the
burn
> >time is used for?
> >
> >All wasted words on a Frenchman!
>
>
> i have a hard time believing that you can even touch your ass twice in
> the same place....i grew up in autoshops, bodyshops, and
> machineshops...i have been into mechanics ever since...you are an
> amateur and a moron...you know just about enough to show your
> stupidity...i do detect a bit of hate toward "frenchman", did one of
> them molest you as a child, or just break up with you and make you
> lonely?
>
> JT(who knows that a plug can go bad and does not LOOK bad, but will
> not fire under compression...so looking at the plug will NOT always
> tell you "why" it's not firing undercompression...please forward the
> money for the lessons to my accountant...thanks)