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dgk wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 18:51:32 -0800, John David Galt > > wrote: > >> Matthew Russotto wrote: >>> Not likely. In the US, a state court just ruled that a nuke >>> supplying 30% of the power to New York City has to shut down because >>> its water output is too hot. Now, it's possible to produce >>> electricity with a minimum of conventional pollutants, and it's even >>> possible to produce it with a minimum of CO2 (with a nuke). But you >>> can't produce electricity without heat. The standards are >>> impossible. >> If it were possible, the greens would find some other excuse to demand >> shutdown. Their movement isn't really about saving the earth; it's about >> destroying civilization because they hate humans. > > You really believe that? I think you're pretty stupid. Setting aside the irony of a Randroid complaining about somebody hating civilization, there's an element of severe stupidity to "environmentalists"* who support policies that drive up energy costs in urban areas. It drives out businesses, and they leave the city for less energy-efficient places that use more energy (in terms of electricity and transportation usage) and depend on heavily subsidized roads and parking lots. That does nothing but harm the environment, both from the standpoint of climate change and the ecological rape wrought by suburban sprawl. * The people in question often aren't environmentalists though. They're just suburban NIMBYs whose concern is very local. However, I would guess there are often alliances between both groups and even perhaps a common delusion that each shares the other's concerns. |
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In article >,
dgk > wrote: >On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 18:51:32 -0800, John David Galt > wrote: > >>If it were possible, the greens would find some other excuse to demand >>shutdown. Their movement isn't really about saving the earth; it's about >>destroying civilization because they hate humans. > >You really believe that? I think you're pretty stupid. I think you haven't been paying attention. There's a very large subset of the green movement which opposes any practical means of large-scale power generation. They were all for wind until people started building windmills, and they're dead-set against solar thermal generation (but not solar panels, which are too costly and inefficient to work on a large scale). -- The problem with socialism is there's always someone with less ability and more need. |
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In article >,
Glen Labah > wrote: >But the real best solution would be to dump the hot water into downtown >New York City. There's dozens of buildings with heat plants there that >boil water. A bit of extra heat from the outside world would do them >some good. Trying to moving low-grade heat 40 miles probably isn't going to work. -- The problem with socialism is there's always someone with less ability and more need. |
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In article >,
Philip Nasadowski > wrote: > In article >, > Glen Labah > wrote: > > > Actually, you can run a power plant without heating up the river. > > When Indian Point 2 & 3 were being planned, Con Ed wanted to build > cooling towers. The environmentalists opposed them, because it would > 'spoil the view'. > > Cooling towers aren't a bad thing, but they do have the disadvantage of > drawing a bit of power - on a large plant like IP, you'd be looking at > something like 20 - 40 MW per unit. That's all pumping losses (!). > > IIRC, Palo Verde is unique in the world for being the only nuke that's > not near a river or body of water. The plant uses recycled sewage for > the condensers... Granted, it was back in the 1980s, but when I went on a plant tour (yes, at that time nuke plants could have plant tours open to the general public), but the way I remember it, the Joseph Farley plant in Alabama didn't use much at all in the way of river water, because the river was simply too small to serve as enough of a heat sink. Therefore, their system involves what look like large air conditioning condensers. It could be they suck in the water and do evaporative cooling with their fans (which is probably far more likely), but I was given the impression they were 100% air cooled. Certainly, having a nuke plant far from water is a rare thing, but I think one of the South African plants is quite far away from water. However, there are certainly coal plants that are quite far from water, and they need cooling capacity just like a nuke plant does. Witness the one near Farmington, New Mexico. There isn't even much in the way of sewage water too cool that thing. There are a fair number of coal plants throughout the west that are in similar circumstances. -- Please note this e-mail address is a pit of spam due to e-mail address harvesters on Usenet. Response time to e-mail sent here is slow. |
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On 04/05/10 23:50, Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
> wrote: >> In article >, "Stewart" >> > wrote: >> >>> Left wing socialist alert! >>> >>> And to keep it on topic.....what type of Honda do you own? >> >> >> Nah, we socialists only drive Volvo 240s and read >> misc.transport.rail.americas. >> (To which I am still trying to figure out why this thread is posted). >> > > > > What??? > > No Prius or Smaht Kahs??? FEH! Light weight/small carbon footprint bicycles only! |
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On 04/06/10 02:27, wrote:
> In >, Grumpy > > wrote: > >> wrote: >>> In >, "Stewart" >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> Left wing socialist alert! >>>> >>>> And to keep it on topic.....what type of Honda do you own? >>> >>> >>> Nah, we socialists only drive Volvo 240s and read > misc.transport.rail.americas. >>> (To which I am still trying to figure out why this thread is posted). >>> >> >> What??? >> >> No Prius or Smaht Kahs??? > > > Ha! Those are only driven by wanna-be socialists. Too much computer > technology, and made by corporations. The most advanced technology > allowed near the homes of true socialists are the products of the Soviet > Diesel Computer Cooperative. HUH? Did the SDCC survive the collapse of the USSR in 1991 (or thereabouts)? Did the really have diesel powered computers? That could be cool! |
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On 04/07/10 22:35, Stewart wrote:
> > wrote in message > ... >> In >, Grumpy >> > wrote: >> >>> wrote: >>>> In >, "Stewart" >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> Left wing socialist alert! >>>>> >>>>> And to keep it on topic.....what type of Honda do you own? >>>> >>>> >>>> Nah, we socialists only drive Volvo 240s and read >> misc.transport.rail.americas. >>>> (To which I am still trying to figure out why this thread is >>>> posted). >>>> >>> >>> What??? >>> >>> No Prius or Smaht Kahs??? >> >> >> Ha! Those are only driven by wanna-be socialists. Too much computer >> technology, and made by corporations. The most advanced technology >> allowed near the homes of true socialists are the products of the >> Soviet >> Diesel Computer Cooperative. >> >> -- >> -Glennl >> Please note this e-mail address is a pit of spam, and most e-mail >> sent to this address are simply lost in the vast mess. > > I like the all electrics to reduce "carbon footprint". plug 'em in to > an outlet fed by coal burning power generation...... True, but it *is* subject to change. <I hope> |
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