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Old October 21st 07, 04:05 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
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>>>> Big Al wrote:
>>>>>> IMO, because Ford couldn't charge the outrageous prices for an option
>>>>>> package like they can for cars like the GT500. They are making
>>>>>> insane profits on the GT500 and will on he new Boss etc. Making
>>>>>> these car's components just option choices kills their exclusivity
>>>>>> and therefore profits.
>>>>> Insane is right. They make cars few people could afford and keep the
>>>>> price high while the company is going down the tubes. Why not SELL the
>>>>> cars? Selling cars is what they are supposed to do. Now they are going
>>>>> to quit selling Crown Vic's except to fleets. Sell the people what
>>>>> they want. What genius decided to re-badge the 500 and call it a
>>>>> Taurus? That should really help.
>>>> Unfortunately, Ford's problems run much deeper than what they are doing
>>>> with the GT500/Mustang sales. They only wish the rest of their car
>>>> line was as successful as the Mustang. IMO, Ford's biggest problem is
>>>> they have good cars that have no identity. They have ditched their
>>>> long time model names and in the process disconnected themselves from a
>>>> large number of past buyers of those cars. Re-badging the 500 a Taurus
>>>> is a step in the right direction, IMO. They need to bring out a RWD,
>>>> V-8 two door coupe and sell it as the Thunderbird too. Maybe even make
>>>> an upscale version of the Mustang and market as the new Cougar.
>>>
>>> Except the 500 badge name was in my opinion a step in the right
>>> direction, I liked the car and the name. Sticking the Taurus name on
>>> that car ****es me off, they couldn't have kept the 500 and redone the
>>> Taurus?

>>
>> I think re-badging the 500 was the best they could do to stop the profuse
>> bleeding. I think they would prefer to bring out a new Taurus but didn't
>> have the time, and maybe the cash, to pull it off. I think they should
>> have designed an all new car that was as risky as the first Taurus was in
>> its day. Ford really crawled out on a limb with the original Taurus and
>> it paid off BIG. They did the same with the new Mustang's styling and it
>> too paid off big. IMO, they need to regain that same spirit in order to
>> get themselves out of their current mess.
>>
>>> Now where the hell is the new Mustang chassis based retro 1969~1970
>>> styled Mercury Cougar??? I want my 500 horse 5.4 2009 Cougar
>>> Eliminator!!!

>>
>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, N/A 32 valve
>> V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k.

>
> I still say a 4 door, sporty station wagon Mustang would sell like crazy!



Yeah, to everyone who bought pinto station wagons, no doubt...

Just the thought of it is repulsive...


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  #22  
Old October 21st 07, 02:06 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
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"Michael Johnson" > wrote in message
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>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, N/A 32
>>> valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k.

>>
>> I still say a 4 door, sporty station wagon Mustang would sell like crazy!

>
> That's like putting mustard on ice cream.


Yuck! Being the ice cream connoisseur that I was, pre-diabetic now in my 50's,
that was like a pan of cold water.



I agree, to the purist, it would be revolting. But to the somewhat brand
loyal, practical man and somewhat experienced, or most likely displaced,
secretary with several kids and friends, football practices and games, and
the odd weekend project, I think it would do quite well.


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Old October 21st 07, 05:26 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
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John wrote:
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>> John wrote:
>>> "Michael Johnson" > wrote in message
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>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, N/A 32
>>>> valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k.
>>> I still say a 4 door, sporty station wagon Mustang would sell like crazy!

>> That's like putting mustard on ice cream.

>
> Yuck! Being the ice cream connoisseur that I was, pre-diabetic now in my 50's,
> that was like a pan of cold water.


Sometimes a slap to the face is needed.

> I agree, to the purist, it would be revolting. But to the somewhat brand
> loyal, practical man and somewhat experienced, or most likely displaced,
> secretary with several kids and friends, football practices and games, and
> the odd weekend project, I think it would do quite well.


I have a feeling that the number of new buyers they get from a four door
Mustang would be offset by the number of Mustang enthusiasts they would
lose. IMO, some things just aren't meant to be, like a four door
Mustang. Any more than two doors and it ceases to be a Mustang.
Besides there are plenty of fine and capable four door sedans to choose
from that are already in the showrooms.
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Old October 21st 07, 08:40 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
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John wrote:
> "Michael Johnson" > wrote in message
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>> John wrote:
>>> "Michael Johnson" > wrote in message
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>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, N/A
>>>> 32 valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k.
>>>
>>> I still say a 4 door, sporty station wagon Mustang would sell
>>> like crazy!

>>
>> That's like putting mustard on ice cream.

>
> Yuck! Being the ice cream connoisseur that I was, pre-diabetic now
> in my 50's, that was like a pan of cold water.
>
>
>
> I agree, to the purist, it would be revolting. But to the somewhat
> brand loyal, practical man and somewhat experienced, or most likely
> displaced, secretary with several kids and friends, football
> practices and games, and the odd weekend project, I think it would
> do quite well.


The Pinto wagon of the 70s was a popular and useful vehicle. seems to
me if the Mustang wagon were maybe five percent larger and devoted
some attention to interior space utilization, it would be a success.
Cue Joe and his "Definition of Success" rant.

For my part, I still prefer the two-door wagons.
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Old October 21st 07, 09:57 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
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"Michael Johnson" > wrote in message
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> John wrote:
>> "Michael Johnson" > wrote in message
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>>> John wrote:
>>>> "Michael Johnson" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, N/A 32
>>>>> valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k.
>>>> I still say a 4 door, sporty station wagon Mustang would sell like
>>>> crazy!
>>> That's like putting mustard on ice cream.

>>
>> Yuck! Being the ice cream connoisseur that I was, pre-diabetic now in my
>> 50's, that was like a pan of cold water.

>
> Sometimes a slap to the face is needed.
>
>> I agree, to the purist, it would be revolting. But to the somewhat brand
>> loyal, practical man and somewhat experienced, or most likely displaced,
>> secretary with several kids and friends, football practices and games,
>> and the odd weekend project, I think it would do quite well.

>
> I have a feeling that the number of new buyers they get from a four door
> Mustang would be offset by the number of Mustang enthusiasts they would
> lose. IMO, some things just aren't meant to be, like a four door Mustang.
> Any more than two doors and it ceases to be a Mustang. Besides there are
> plenty of fine and capable four door sedans to choose from that are
> already in the showrooms.


One of the things that has helped the Mustang to appeal to such a wide
market over the years has been all the options that were and are available
from the stripped down, no thrills cheapie to the aftermarket, and now
factory available, corvette stomper. A wagon option would certainly stir
things up and be newsworthy for a short while, but I don't see anyone with
the money and the nads to want a GT or GT500 to back off because of this
added option. Remember the Mustang II, that fiasco doesn't seem to have
crippled the image or sales at all.

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Old October 21st 07, 10:11 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
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John wrote:
> "Michael Johnson" > wrote in message
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>> John wrote:
>>> "Michael Johnson" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> John wrote:
>>>>> "Michael Johnson" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, N/A 32
>>>>>> valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k.
>>>>> I still say a 4 door, sporty station wagon Mustang would sell like
>>>>> crazy!
>>>> That's like putting mustard on ice cream.
>>> Yuck! Being the ice cream connoisseur that I was, pre-diabetic now in my
>>> 50's, that was like a pan of cold water.

>> Sometimes a slap to the face is needed.
>>
>>> I agree, to the purist, it would be revolting. But to the somewhat brand
>>> loyal, practical man and somewhat experienced, or most likely displaced,
>>> secretary with several kids and friends, football practices and games,
>>> and the odd weekend project, I think it would do quite well.

>> I have a feeling that the number of new buyers they get from a four door
>> Mustang would be offset by the number of Mustang enthusiasts they would
>> lose. IMO, some things just aren't meant to be, like a four door Mustang.
>> Any more than two doors and it ceases to be a Mustang. Besides there are
>> plenty of fine and capable four door sedans to choose from that are
>> already in the showrooms.

>
> One of the things that has helped the Mustang to appeal to such a wide
> market over the years has been all the options that were and are available
> from the stripped down, no thrills cheapie to the aftermarket, and now
> factory available, corvette stomper. A wagon option would certainly stir
> things up and be newsworthy for a short while, but I don't see anyone with
> the money and the nads to want a GT or GT500 to back off because of this
> added option. Remember the Mustang II, that fiasco doesn't seem to have
> crippled the image or sales at all.


It is a pride thing, IMO. It would also show mega desperation on Ford's
part to cannibalize the Mustang to market a four door station wagon. It
would be like Chevy offering a Camaro or Corvette four door wagon.
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Old October 21st 07, 10:27 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
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Michael Johnson wrote:
> John wrote:
>> "Michael Johnson" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> John wrote:
>>>> "Michael Johnson" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, N/A 32
>>>>> valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k.
>>>> I still say a 4 door, sporty station wagon Mustang would sell like
>>>> crazy!
>>> That's like putting mustard on ice cream.

>>
>> Yuck! Being the ice cream connoisseur that I was, pre-diabetic now in
>> my 50's, that was like a pan of cold water.

>
> Sometimes a slap to the face is needed.
>
>> I agree, to the purist, it would be revolting. But to the somewhat
>> brand loyal, practical man and somewhat experienced, or most likely
>> displaced, secretary with several kids and friends, football practices
>> and games, and the odd weekend project, I think it would do quite well.

>
> I have a feeling that the number of new buyers they get from a four door
> Mustang would be offset by the number of Mustang enthusiasts they would
> lose. IMO, some things just aren't meant to be, like a four door
> Mustang. Any more than two doors and it ceases to be a Mustang. Besides
> there are plenty of fine and capable four door sedans to choose from
> that are already in the showrooms.


So you're thinking that if they came out with a second different
model that has four doors, some loyal Mustang owners would sell and or
never buy another Mustang again even with the two door still in production??

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Old October 21st 07, 10:40 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
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WindsorFox wrote:
> Michael Johnson wrote:
>> John wrote:
>>> "Michael Johnson" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> John wrote:
>>>>> "Michael Johnson" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, N/A
>>>>>> 32 valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k.
>>>>> I still say a 4 door, sporty station wagon Mustang would sell like
>>>>> crazy!
>>>> That's like putting mustard on ice cream.
>>>
>>> Yuck! Being the ice cream connoisseur that I was, pre-diabetic now
>>> in my 50's, that was like a pan of cold water.

>>
>> Sometimes a slap to the face is needed.
>>
>>> I agree, to the purist, it would be revolting. But to the somewhat
>>> brand loyal, practical man and somewhat experienced, or most likely
>>> displaced, secretary with several kids and friends, football
>>> practices and games, and the odd weekend project, I think it would do
>>> quite well.

>>
>> I have a feeling that the number of new buyers they get from a four
>> door Mustang would be offset by the number of Mustang enthusiasts they
>> would lose. IMO, some things just aren't meant to be, like a four
>> door Mustang. Any more than two doors and it ceases to be a Mustang.
>> Besides there are plenty of fine and capable four door sedans to
>> choose from that are already in the showrooms.

>
> So you're thinking that if they came out with a second different
> model that has four doors, some loyal Mustang owners would sell and or
> never buy another Mustang again even with the two door still in
> production??


Selling a Mom and Pop four door Mustang diminishes the car's mystic,
reputation, heritage etc. It would also show Ford is so desperate to
sell vehicles that they will jeopardize one of their best selling, most
long term success models to do it. It would be a very bad business
decision, IMO.
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Old October 22nd 07, 12:34 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
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"John" > wrote in message
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> "Michael Johnson" > wrote in message
> ...
>> John wrote:
>>> "Michael Johnson" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> John wrote:
>>>>> "Michael Johnson" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, N/A 32
>>>>>> valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k.
>>>>> I still say a 4 door, sporty station wagon Mustang would sell like
>>>>> crazy!
>>>> That's like putting mustard on ice cream.
>>>
>>> Yuck! Being the ice cream connoisseur that I was, pre-diabetic now in
>>> my 50's, that was like a pan of cold water.

>>
>> Sometimes a slap to the face is needed.
>>
>>> I agree, to the purist, it would be revolting. But to the somewhat
>>> brand loyal, practical man and somewhat experienced, or most likely
>>> displaced, secretary with several kids and friends, football practices
>>> and games, and the odd weekend project, I think it would do quite well.

>>
>> I have a feeling that the number of new buyers they get from a four door
>> Mustang would be offset by the number of Mustang enthusiasts they would
>> lose. IMO, some things just aren't meant to be, like a four door
>> Mustang. Any more than two doors and it ceases to be a Mustang. Besides
>> there are plenty of fine and capable four door sedans to choose from that
>> are already in the showrooms.

>
> One of the things that has helped the Mustang to appeal to such a wide
> market over the years has been all the options that were and are available
> from the stripped down, no thrills cheapie to the aftermarket, and now
> factory available, corvette stomper. A wagon option would certainly stir
> things up and be newsworthy for a short while, but I don't see anyone with
> the money and the nads to want a GT or GT500 to back off because of this
> added option. Remember the Mustang II, that fiasco doesn't seem to have
> crippled the image or sales at all.
>


The Mustang II was still a TWO DOOR!
The 1974 Mustang II sales were outstanding BTW...


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Old October 22nd 07, 01:37 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
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My Name Is Nobody wrote:
> "John" > wrote in message
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>> "Michael Johnson" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> John wrote:
>>>> "Michael Johnson" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> John wrote:
>>>>>> "Michael Johnson" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> I think an upscale Cougar well optioned with a 400 hp, 5.0L, N/A 32
>>>>>>> valve V-8 would sell like hotcakes priced around $35k.
>>>>>> I still say a 4 door, sporty station wagon Mustang would sell like
>>>>>> crazy!
>>>>> That's like putting mustard on ice cream.
>>>> Yuck! Being the ice cream connoisseur that I was, pre-diabetic now in
>>>> my 50's, that was like a pan of cold water.
>>> Sometimes a slap to the face is needed.
>>>
>>>> I agree, to the purist, it would be revolting. But to the somewhat
>>>> brand loyal, practical man and somewhat experienced, or most likely
>>>> displaced, secretary with several kids and friends, football practices
>>>> and games, and the odd weekend project, I think it would do quite well.
>>> I have a feeling that the number of new buyers they get from a four door
>>> Mustang would be offset by the number of Mustang enthusiasts they would
>>> lose. IMO, some things just aren't meant to be, like a four door
>>> Mustang. Any more than two doors and it ceases to be a Mustang. Besides
>>> there are plenty of fine and capable four door sedans to choose from that
>>> are already in the showrooms.

>> One of the things that has helped the Mustang to appeal to such a wide
>> market over the years has been all the options that were and are available
>> from the stripped down, no thrills cheapie to the aftermarket, and now
>> factory available, corvette stomper. A wagon option would certainly stir
>> things up and be newsworthy for a short while, but I don't see anyone with
>> the money and the nads to want a GT or GT500 to back off because of this
>> added option. Remember the Mustang II, that fiasco doesn't seem to have
>> crippled the image or sales at all.
>>

>
> The Mustang II was still a TWO DOOR!
> The 1974 Mustang II sales were outstanding BTW...


Yeah, they were. Ford provided the public with a base model Mustang
that hit the bullseye coming out of the oil embargo, high insurance
rates for muscle cars and tightening emissions requirements. They
didn't make the V-8 model outstanding but they gave us one of the best
selling models in the Mustang's history while keeping to the original
formula for the car. If they hadn't then we might have seen the end of
the Mustang run in the next couple of years.
 




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