buy after lease?

My wife and I are thinking about buying our leased A4 2002. The car
will have about 44000 km in 4 years of usage at the end of our lease
(mid March 2006).

But, We are a little scared about the warranty. The dealer is forcing
us to buy a 2 years warranty at 2000$ (canadian dollars). This looks
to be the standard Certified pre-owned Limited Warranty of Audi. And
it sure looks very "limited" to me! Just about any part that will
probably get broken soon are not covered (break pads, exhaust,
transmission stuff, etc).

In general, is it a good thing to buy a car that you leased?
Knowing that it runs well, that it was treated good without abuse,
etc. It did spent 4 canadian winters, but still works perfect.

Anyone with good or bad experience to share? Or related web sites?

Thanks a lot!

David


P.S.
The car's price would be 19800$ + 2000$ warranty + taxes?
It is a 1.8T quattro automatic with the sport package and sun roof

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 13:40:00 -0500, David Chabot
> wrote:

>My wife and I are thinking about buying our leased A4 2002. The car
>will have about 44000 km in 4 years of usage at the end of our lease
>(mid March 2006).
>
>But, We are a little scared about the warranty. The dealer is forcing
>us to buy a 2 years warranty at 2000$ (canadian dollars). This looks
>to be the standard Certified pre-owned Limited Warranty of Audi. And
>it sure looks very "limited" to me! Just about any part that will
>probably get broken soon are not covered (break pads, exhaust,
>transmission stuff, etc).
>
>In general, is it a good thing to buy a car that you leased?

You know the history of the car, that is a major benefit of purchasing
the car outright.

The dealer cannot force you to purchase an extended warranty. That is
totally up to you.

If you want to look around, a friend of mine has had good luck with
the following, but I have never used their services.

http://www.continentalwarranty.com/

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 13:40:00 -0500, David Chabot >
wrote:

> My wife and I are thinking about buying our leased A4 2002. The car
> will have about 44000 km in 4 years of usage at the end of our lease
> (mid March 2006).
>
> But, We are a little scared about the warranty. The dealer is forcing
> us to buy a 2 years warranty at 2000$ (canadian dollars). This looks
> to be the standard Certified pre-owned Limited Warranty of Audi. And
> it sure looks very "limited" to me! Just about any part that will
> probably get broken soon are not covered (break pads, exhaust,
> transmission stuff, etc).
>
> In general, is it a good thing to buy a car that you leased?
> Knowing that it runs well, that it was treated good without abuse,
> etc. It did spent 4 canadian winters, but still works perfect.
>
> Anyone with good or bad experience to share? Or related web sites?
>
> Thanks a lot!
>
> David
>
>
> P.S.
> The car's price would be 19800$ + 2000$ warranty + taxes?
> It is a 1.8T quattro automatic with the sport package and sun roof

That sounds much cheaper than it would be to buy from a dealer, or what
someone else would pay to buy the same car after you turned it back in at
the end of your lease.

As for the extended warranty -- at $2000 (CAD) for 2 years -- that is very
high. No warranty will cover "consumable items" which includes brake pads,
rubber belts, wiper blades, interior/exterior trim, etc., and many will not
cover exhaust system parts

I bought an off-lease 1998 A6Q 2.8 4-1/2 years ago in the US, with 27,000
miles on the clock (43,200 km). I got a 4-year/48,000 mile extended
warranty (through Carmax) for $1650 (US$) which was a good buy, considering
that I had well over $3000 worth of warranty work done before it expired.
This warranty was a much better deal than the one you are being offered -- I
would shop around and perhaps get a 3rd-party extended warranty if the
deraler won't do a lot better.

But lets face it -- Audis become very expensive after the first 4 or 5
years!
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In article > David Chabot > writes:
$But, We are a little scared about the warranty. The dealer is forcing
$us to buy a 2 years warranty at 2000$ (canadian dollars).

I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure it is illegal for them to force
you to buy an extended warranty. They can certainly offer it, and
highly recommend it, and even tell you you're stupid if you don't take
it (though it's not generally a good customer service idea to inform
your customers that they're stupid), but I don't believe they can force
you to buy it.

If they continue on that path, tell Audi Canada about it; some pressure
from above will probably change the dealership's mind. Failing that,
I'm sure the relevant consumer protection ministry of your provincial
government would be interested in hearing of this business practice.

$In general, is it a good thing to buy a car that you leased?
$Knowing that it runs well, that it was treated good without abuse,
$etc. It did spent 4 canadian winters, but still works perfect.

Buying someone else's used car is a crapshoot because you don't
know how it was driven. Unless the maintenance records are provided
along with it, you also don't know if it received all of its usual
maintenance. You also don't know what things have gone wrong with it
and needed to be replaced.

Buying your own used car fixes all of these problems. If the price
is reasonable, I'd say it's a good way to get a used car in good shape.
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I agree, I'm not sure how they can force you to buy a warranty! If you
say no, what are they going to do, refuse to sell you the car? I doubt
it. I plan to check out some extended warranties when I get closer to
mine expiring in a couple of years. I'm not sure I would keep the car
if I could not get an extended warranty.

Dan D
'04 A4 1.8Tq MT-6
Central NJ USA

On 12 Dec 2005 06:58:39 -0800, "Dano58" > wrote:

>I agree, I'm not sure how they can force you to buy a warranty! If you
>say no, what are they going to do, refuse to sell you the car? I doubt
>it. I plan to check out some extended warranties when I get closer to
>mine expiring in a couple of years. I'm not sure I would keep the car
>if I could not get an extended warranty.
>
>Dan D
>'04 A4 1.8Tq MT-6
>Central NJ USA

I wonder if "the dealer is forcing me to buy a warranty" actually translates
to "the dealer declined to *include* a warranty in the purchase price"...

On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:32:52 -0500, daytripper
> wrote:

>On 12 Dec 2005 06:58:39 -0800, "Dano58" > wrote:
>
>>I agree, I'm not sure how they can force you to buy a warranty! If you
>>say no, what are they going to do, refuse to sell you the car? I doubt
>>it. I plan to check out some extended warranties when I get closer to
>>mine expiring in a couple of years. I'm not sure I would keep the car
>>if I could not get an extended warranty.
>>
>>Dan D
>>'04 A4 1.8Tq MT-6
>>Central NJ USA
>
>I wonder if "the dealer is forcing me to buy a warranty" actually translates
>to "the dealer declined to *include* a warranty in the purchase price"...

"the dealer is forcing me to buy a warranty" should have been written:
"the dealer walked away, ignoring me, when I said I would not take it"

I guess I over reacted on this one ) Sorry for the confusion.

Now I think I will keep my A4 for a few more years. I will see for
myself if the bad rep of old audis are true )

Now I need to shop for warranty!

You guys gave me lots of good feedback. Thanks!

David,
"bad rep of old audis"?
ooooh boy.....you are risking the wrath of the "Audi Gods" - time to go out
and sacrifice a control arm......;-)
Cheers!
Steve Sears - with a stablefull of "old audis", including:
1987 Audi 5kTQ
1980 Audi 5k
1962 and '64 Auto Union DKW Junior deLuxes
- and many more in boxes that gave their lives for the "fleet"
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"David Chabot" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:32:52 -0500, daytripper
> > wrote:
>
>>On 12 Dec 2005 06:58:39 -0800, "Dano58" > wrote:
>>
>>>I agree, I'm not sure how they can force you to buy a warranty! If you
>>>say no, what are they going to do, refuse to sell you the car? I doubt
>>>it. I plan to check out some extended warranties when I get closer to
>>>mine expiring in a couple of years. I'm not sure I would keep the car
>>>if I could not get an extended warranty.
>>>
>>>Dan D
>>>'04 A4 1.8Tq MT-6
>>>Central NJ USA
>>
>>I wonder if "the dealer is forcing me to buy a warranty" actually
>>translates
>>to "the dealer declined to *include* a warranty in the purchase price"...
>
> "the dealer is forcing me to buy a warranty" should have been written:
> "the dealer walked away, ignoring me, when I said I would not take it"
>
> I guess I over reacted on this one ) Sorry for the confusion.
>
> Now I think I will keep my A4 for a few more years. I will see for
> myself if the bad rep of old audis are true )
>
> Now I need to shop for warranty!
>
> You guys gave me lots of good feedback. Thanks!
>

"David Chabot" > wrote in message
...
> My wife and I are thinking about buying our leased A4 2002. The car
> will have about 44000 km in 4 years of usage at the end of our lease
> (mid March 2006).
>
> But, We are a little scared about the warranty. The dealer is forcing
> us to buy a 2 years warranty at 2000$ (canadian dollars). This looks
> to be the standard Certified pre-owned Limited Warranty of Audi. And
> it sure looks very "limited" to me! Just about any part that will
> probably get broken soon are not covered (break pads, exhaust,
> transmission stuff, etc).
>
> In general, is it a good thing to buy a car that you leased?
> Knowing that it runs well, that it was treated good without abuse,
> etc. It did spent 4 canadian winters, but still works perfect.

As others have said, buying your own leased car is the best possible way to
purchase a used car. As to warranties, the devil is in the details of what
is and especially what is NOT covered, deductibles, reliability of the
company offering the warranty and choice of repair facility. Assuming you
continue the rate of mileage accumulation, two more years of driving is
likely to add another 22,000 km for a total of 66,000 km. This is less than
the point at which you'd be risking turbo, TB or water pump failure which
are expensive repair items. You may have to replace brake pads and rotors
but these are unlikely to be covered in any warranty you'd buy. If you
haven't already, I'd be ensuring that oil and filter changes are more
frequent than stated in the manual. If the car is still under the
manufacturer's warranty, you should have the brakes and front
steering/suspension components checked and make sure there are no oil leaks
although the latter may be more of a V6 problem. If it were me, I'd not
bother with the warranty since the number of miles you drive is quite low by
typical standards.
>
> Anyone with good or bad experience to share? Or related web sites?
>
> Thanks a lot!
>
> David
>
>
> P.S.
> The car's price would be 19800$ + 2000$ warranty + taxes?
> It is a 1.8T quattro automatic with the sport package and sun roof

On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:25:35 -0500, "Steve Sears"
> wrote:

> David,
> "bad rep of old audis"?
> ooooh boy.....you are risking the wrath of the "Audi Gods" - time to go out
> and sacrifice a control arm......;-)

That'll be easy -- they are self-sacrificing. :-(


> Cheers!
> Steve Sears - with a stablefull of "old audis", including:
> 1987 Audi 5kTQ
> 1980 Audi 5k
> 1962 and '64 Auto Union DKW Junior deLuxes
> - and many more in boxes that gave their lives for the "fleet"
> (SPAM Blocker NOTE: Remove SHOES to reply)
>
>
> "David Chabot" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:32:52 -0500, daytripper
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>On 12 Dec 2005 06:58:39 -0800, "Dano58" > wrote:
> >>
> >>>I agree, I'm not sure how they can force you to buy a warranty! If you
> >>>say no, what are they going to do, refuse to sell you the car? I doubt
> >>>it. I plan to check out some extended warranties when I get closer to
> >>>mine expiring in a couple of years. I'm not sure I would keep the car
> >>>if I could not get an extended warranty.
> >>>
> >>>Dan D
> >>>'04 A4 1.8Tq MT-6
> >>>Central NJ USA
> >>
> >>I wonder if "the dealer is forcing me to buy a warranty" actually
> >>translates
> >>to "the dealer declined to *include* a warranty in the purchase price"...
> >
> > "the dealer is forcing me to buy a warranty" should have been written:
> > "the dealer walked away, ignoring me, when I said I would not take it"
> >
> > I guess I over reacted on this one ) Sorry for the confusion.
> >
> > Now I think I will keep my A4 for a few more years. I will see for
> > myself if the bad rep of old audis are true )
> >
> > Now I need to shop for warranty!
> >
> > You guys gave me lots of good feedback. Thanks!
> >
>

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