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Old August 22nd 04, 07:44 PM
Simon
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Hi All,

I am planning to change my timing belt when my car hits 60K Miles. I
like purchasing from www.ecstuning.com. They have a full kit. The
only problems is that their kits are for AEB and ATW engines. My car
has the APU engine. My searches on google show the APU engine showing
up on European web sites (UK and Findland). My car is a right hand
drive UK spec car sold in the Caribbean.

However the sites that show the APU engines also mention the AEB
engine in the same line. Something like this (AEB/ANB/APU/ARK Engines)

My question. Will a timing belt kit for an AEB engine work on an APU
engine?

As always - many thanks for your help.

Simon
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Old August 22nd 04, 10:58 PM
Chris Bartram
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Simon wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I am planning to change my timing belt when my car hits 60K Miles. I
> like purchasing from www.ecstuning.com. They have a full kit. The
> only problems is that their kits are for AEB and ATW engines. My car
> has the APU engine. My searches on google show the APU engine showing
> up on European web sites (UK and Findland). My car is a right hand
> drive UK spec car sold in the Caribbean.
>
> However the sites that show the APU engines also mention the AEB
> engine in the same line. Something like this (AEB/ANB/APU/ARK Engines)
>
> My question. Will a timing belt kit for an AEB engine work on an APU
> engine?
>
> As always - many thanks for your help.
>
> Simon

You could try ordering from http://www.eurocarparts.com or
http://www.gsfcarparts.com. They're UK parts specialists, so if your car
is UK spec they should be able to help.
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Old August 23rd 04, 04:55 AM
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On 2004-08-23, Simon > wrote:
> Can you share any insights on APU, AEB, etc engines. What are the
> variations on the basic 1.8T engine. There seem to be about 7 or 8
> different codes for the A4 1.8T between 1995 and 2001.
>


The APU engine is listed to be similar (same part numbers) with engines
ADR/AEB/APT/ARG/ARK/ANB/AJL. There is however one thing to notice:
somewhere between 97-98 the construction has changed so that you might
have 152 tooth belt with old tensioner construction or 153 tooth
belt with newer (improved). In either cases, get the new 153 tooth
version with all the necesary rollers and tensioner (I think the old
version is not sold anymore). I had in my 1999 APU the 153 tooth version
from the factory.

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Petri Rehtonen

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Old August 24th 04, 11:33 AM
Petri Rehtonen
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On 2004-08-24, David > wrote:
> So what is the appropriate time to replace the timing belt on a 2000 1.8t
> quattro?
>
> My manual suggests replacing at 120,000 miles. I'm assuming that this is
> with the improved tensioner. However, I keep seeing reports of early
> failure, probably/possibly due to the old tensioner. Unfortunately, no one
> ever states whether the model had the old tensioner or the new "improved
> version.


Here in Finland the recommended interval is 90000 km. Quite a cap
between these two intervals :-). I replaced mine before 90000 and
there was no sign of wear in belt. My speculation is that the
tensioner is the most common cause of failure. The recommended interval
in Finland might be explained by the strain of winter time.

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Petri Rehtonen
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Old August 24th 04, 12:45 PM
Jesper Giovanni
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David wrote:
> So what is the appropriate time to replace the timing belt on a 2000
> 1.8t quattro?
>
> My manual suggests replacing at 120,000 miles. I'm assuming that
> this is with the improved tensioner. However, I keep seeing reports
> of early failure, probably/possibly due to the old tensioner.
> Unfortunately, no one ever states whether the model had the old
> tensioner or the new "improved version.


Hopefully you mean 120.000 _kilometers and not miles!?
If you wait with the belt ītill 120.000 _miles_, then there will most surely
be nothing to change ;o(


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Gio


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Old August 24th 04, 05:25 PM
Simon
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Hi David, Petri,

Given the damage that can occur spending US $200 to US $400 seems like
a small price to pay. I am not an expert but I can see myself
changing the belt every at 60,000 miles and then every 40,000 from
then on.

Simon


Petri Rehtonen > wrote in message >...
> On 2004-08-24, David > wrote:
> > So what is the appropriate time to replace the timing belt on a 2000 1.8t
> > quattro?
> >
> > My manual suggests replacing at 120,000 miles. I'm assuming that this is
> > with the improved tensioner. However, I keep seeing reports of early
> > failure, probably/possibly due to the old tensioner. Unfortunately, no one
> > ever states whether the model had the old tensioner or the new "improved
> > version.

>
> Here in Finland the recommended interval is 90000 km. Quite a cap
> between these two intervals :-). I replaced mine before 90000 and
> there was no sign of wear in belt. My speculation is that the
> tensioner is the most common cause of failure. The recommended interval
> in Finland might be explained by the strain of winter time.

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Old August 25th 04, 02:20 AM
David
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No, the manual it says 120,000 miles, not kilometers.!!!

I kid you not.
My last car, a V6 Toyota Camry (non-interference engine) suggested checking
the belt every 60,000 miles. There was no suggested replacement interval.

I replaced the first belt at 120,000 miles, and after driving the car
another 200,000 miles the belt is still intact. Of course, I'd never take
this kind of chance with an interference engine.
"Jesper Giovanni" > wrote in message
...
> David wrote:
> > So what is the appropriate time to replace the timing belt on a 2000
> > 1.8t quattro?
> >
> > My manual suggests replacing at 120,000 miles. I'm assuming that
> > this is with the improved tensioner. However, I keep seeing reports
> > of early failure, probably/possibly due to the old tensioner.
> > Unfortunately, no one ever states whether the model had the old
> > tensioner or the new "improved version.

>
> Hopefully you mean 120.000 _kilometers and not miles!?
> If you wait with the belt ītill 120.000 _miles_, then there will most

surely
> be nothing to change ;o(
>
>
> --
> Gio
>
>



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Old August 25th 04, 02:25 AM
David
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I'd love to pay 200 to 400 dollars.
However, labor alone is approximately 500 dollars, and to purchase the belt,
tensioner, tensioner roller, idler roller, water pump, thermostat, new G12
antifreeze and front camshaft and crankshaft seals is an additional 320
dollars for parts, for a grand total of 820 (plus 7% sales tax).

God knows what I'd have to pay at the stealership>
"Simon" > wrote in message
om...
> Hi David, Petri,
>
> Given the damage that can occur spending US $200 to US $400 seems like
> a small price to pay. I am not an expert but I can see myself
> changing the belt every at 60,000 miles and then every 40,000 from
> then on.
>
> Simon
>
>
> Petri Rehtonen > wrote in message

>...
> > On 2004-08-24, David > wrote:
> > > So what is the appropriate time to replace the timing belt on a 2000

1.8t
> > > quattro?
> > >
> > > My manual suggests replacing at 120,000 miles. I'm assuming that this

is
> > > with the improved tensioner. However, I keep seeing reports of early
> > > failure, probably/possibly due to the old tensioner. Unfortunately,

no one
> > > ever states whether the model had the old tensioner or the new

"improved
> > > version.

> >
> > Here in Finland the recommended interval is 90000 km. Quite a cap
> > between these two intervals :-). I replaced mine before 90000 and
> > there was no sign of wear in belt. My speculation is that the
> > tensioner is the most common cause of failure. The recommended interval
> > in Finland might be explained by the strain of winter time.



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Old August 25th 04, 11:24 AM
Jesper Giovanni
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"David" > wrote in message

> No, the manual it says 120,000 miles, not kilometers.!!!
>
> I kid you not.
> My last car, a V6 Toyota Camry (non-interference engine) suggested
> checking the belt every 60,000 miles. There was no suggested
> replacement interval.
>
> I replaced the first belt at 120,000 miles, and after driving the car
> another 200,000 miles the belt is still intact. Of course, I'd
> never take this kind of chance with an interference engine.


There has to be something wrong here. My (european) manual says 120.000 kmīs
for the t-belt. If they just put "miles" instead of "kmīs" inthere, when
they translated it....then im gonna be ROFLīing very soon!

The timing-belt are normally (referring to the manual) changed at 120.000
kmīs. But we all know (inhere) that this is too high a mileage - so most
change it at around 80-90.000 kmīs. The risk of the belt snapping is simply
too high, if you wait the suggested 120.000 kmīs.


--
Gio


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Old August 26th 04, 04:44 AM
snoogans27
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"Jay Somerset" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 05:55:09 -0400, "David" > wrote:
>
> > So what is the appropriate time to replace the timing belt on a 2000

1.8t
> > quattro?
> >
> > My manual suggests replacing at 120,000 miles. I'm assuming that this

is
> > with the improved tensioner. However, I keep seeing reports of early
> > failure, probably/possibly due to the old tensioner. Unfortunately, no

one
> > ever states whether the model had the old tensioner or the new "improved
> > version.

>
> I think you must have misread (or mistyped) this -- that figure would

surely
> be KILOMETERS, not miles.
>


No, the Audi recommended interval for US 1.8T engines is/was 120k MILES.
Really stupid, and lots have broken before then, but thats what they say.
I've also heard 90k MILES as an Audi recommended interval, but lots of
stories of the breaking around 60-70k. I bought my a4 with 84k miles on it
and had all the belts/pullys/tensioners + water pump and t-stat done at 92k.


 




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