Consider buying American!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/

GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest
ever annual loss for a US automaker.

The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support
they need, they are going to go under. Consider buying an American
car.

Here are some American models recommended in the 2007 Consumer Reports
Annual Auto Issue:

Buick Lacrosse
Buick Lucerne
Cadillac CTS
Cadillac CTS-V
Cadillac DTS
Chevrolet HHR
Chevrolet Impala
Chevrolet Malibu
Chevrolet Tahoe
Chrysler 300
Chrysler PT Cruiser
Dodge Durango
Ford Five Hundred
Ford Focus
Ford Freestyle
Ford Fusion
GMC Yukon
Jeep Liberty
Lincoln MKZ
Lincoln Town Car
Mercury Milan
Mercury Montego
Pontiac G6
Pontiac Torrent

wrote:
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/
>
> GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest
> ever annual loss for a US automaker.
>
> The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support
> they need, they are going to go under. Consider buying an American
> car.
>
> Here are some American models recommended in the 2007 Consumer Reports
> Annual Auto Issue:
>
> Buick Lacrosse
> Buick Lucerne
> Cadillac CTS
> Cadillac CTS-V
> Cadillac DTS
> Chevrolet HHR
> Chevrolet Impala
> Chevrolet Malibu
> Chevrolet Tahoe
> Chrysler 300
> Chrysler PT Cruiser
> Dodge Durango
> Ford Five Hundred
> Ford Focus
> Ford Freestyle
> Ford Fusion
> GMC Yukon
> Jeep Liberty
> Lincoln MKZ
> Lincoln Town Car
> Mercury Milan
> Mercury Montego
> Pontiac G6
> Pontiac Torrent

What about Toyotas and Hondas made in America?

What the Ford Fusion, made in Mexico?

Shouldn't the Michigan 3 make their vehicles relevant to me rather than
the other way around?

Jeff

On Feb 12, 8:41�am, Jeff > wrote:
> wrote:
> >http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/
>
> > GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest
> > ever annual loss for a US automaker.
>
> > The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support
> > they need, they are going to go under. �Consider buying an American
> > car.
>
> > Here are some American models recommended in the 2007 Consumer Reports
> > Annual Auto Issue:
>
> > Buick Lacrosse
> > Buick Lucerne
> > Cadillac CTS
> > Cadillac CTS-V
> > Cadillac DTS
> > Chevrolet HHR
> > Chevrolet Impala
> > Chevrolet Malibu
> > Chevrolet Tahoe
> > Chrysler 300
> > Chrysler PT Cruiser
> > Dodge Durango
> > Ford Five Hundred
> > Ford Focus
> > Ford Freestyle
> > Ford Fusion
> > GMC Yukon
> > Jeep Liberty
> > Lincoln MKZ
> > Lincoln Town Car
> > Mercury Milan
> > Mercury Montego
> > Pontiac G6
> > Pontiac Torrent
>
> What about Toyotas and Hondas made in America?

Toyota and Honda assemble cars all over the world, but the profits go
back to Japan.

wrote:
> On Feb 12, 8:41�am, Jeff > wrote:
>> wrote:
>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/
>>> GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest
>>> ever annual loss for a US automaker.
>>> The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support
>>> they need, they are going to go under. �Consider buying an American
>>> car.
>>> Here are some American models recommended in the 2007 Consumer Reports
>>> Annual Auto Issue:
>>> Buick Lacrosse
>>> Buick Lucerne
>>> Cadillac CTS
>>> Cadillac CTS-V
>>> Cadillac DTS
>>> Chevrolet HHR
>>> Chevrolet Impala
>>> Chevrolet Malibu
>>> Chevrolet Tahoe
>>> Chrysler 300
>>> Chrysler PT Cruiser
>>> Dodge Durango
>>> Ford Five Hundred
>>> Ford Focus
>>> Ford Freestyle
>>> Ford Fusion
>>> GMC Yukon
>>> Jeep Liberty
>>> Lincoln MKZ
>>> Lincoln Town Car
>>> Mercury Milan
>>> Mercury Montego
>>> Pontiac G6
>>> Pontiac Torrent
>> What about Toyotas and Hondas made in America?
>
> Toyota and Honda assemble cars all over the world, but the profits go
> back to Japan.

how much tax do the big three pay here vs. the japanese?

jim beam wrote:
> wrote:
>> On Feb 12, 8:41�am, Jeff > wrote:
>>> wrote:
>>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/
>>>> GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest
>>>> ever annual loss for a US automaker.
>>>> The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support
>>>> they need, they are going to go under. �Consider buying an American
>>>> car.
>>>> Here are some American models recommended in the 2007 Consumer Reports
>>>> Annual Auto Issue:
>>>> Buick Lacrosse
>>>> Buick Lucerne
>>>> Cadillac CTS
>>>> Cadillac CTS-V
>>>> Cadillac DTS
>>>> Chevrolet HHR
>>>> Chevrolet Impala
>>>> Chevrolet Malibu
>>>> Chevrolet Tahoe
>>>> Chrysler 300
>>>> Chrysler PT Cruiser
>>>> Dodge Durango
>>>> Ford Five Hundred
>>>> Ford Focus
>>>> Ford Freestyle
>>>> Ford Fusion
>>>> GMC Yukon
>>>> Jeep Liberty
>>>> Lincoln MKZ
>>>> Lincoln Town Car
>>>> Mercury Milan
>>>> Mercury Montego
>>>> Pontiac G6
>>>> Pontiac Torrent
>>> What about Toyotas and Hondas made in America?
>>
>> Toyota and Honda assemble cars all over the world, but the profits go
>> back to Japan.
>
> how much tax do the big three pay here vs. the japanese?

and how many americans do they employ?

jim beam wrote:
> jim beam wrote:
>> wrote:
>>> On Feb 12, 8:41�am, Jeff > wrote:
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/
>>>>> GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest
>>>>> ever annual loss for a US automaker.
>>>>> The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support
>>>>> they need, they are going to go under. �Consider buying an American
>>>>> car.
>>>>> Here are some American models recommended in the 2007 Consumer Reports
>>>>> Annual Auto Issue:
>>>>> Buick Lacrosse
>>>>> Buick Lucerne
>>>>> Cadillac CTS
>>>>> Cadillac CTS-V
>>>>> Cadillac DTS
>>>>> Chevrolet HHR
>>>>> Chevrolet Impala
>>>>> Chevrolet Malibu
>>>>> Chevrolet Tahoe
>>>>> Chrysler 300
>>>>> Chrysler PT Cruiser
>>>>> Dodge Durango
>>>>> Ford Five Hundred
>>>>> Ford Focus
>>>>> Ford Freestyle
>>>>> Ford Fusion
>>>>> GMC Yukon
>>>>> Jeep Liberty
>>>>> Lincoln MKZ
>>>>> Lincoln Town Car
>>>>> Mercury Milan
>>>>> Mercury Montego
>>>>> Pontiac G6
>>>>> Pontiac Torrent
>>>> What about Toyotas and Hondas made in America?
>>>
>>> Toyota and Honda assemble cars all over the world, but the profits go
>>> back to Japan.
>>
>> how much tax do the big three pay here vs. the japanese?
>
> and how many americans do they employ?

The Japanese subsidies of Toyota and Honda pay corporate income tax to
states and the federal gov't as well as local property and other taxes.
How much in taxes they pay is not known. Neither the auto companies nor
the government bodies release the tax information.

You're welcome to search the internet or the even the Toyota and Honda
websites to find out how many people they employ.

Jeff

wrote:
> On Feb 12, 8:41�am, Jeff > wrote:
>> wrote:
>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/
>>> GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest
>>> ever annual loss for a US automaker.
>>> The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support
>>> they need, they are going to go under. �Consider buying an American
>>> car.
>>> Here are some American models recommended in the 2007 Consumer Reports
>>> Annual Auto Issue:
>>> Buick Lacrosse
>>> Buick Lucerne
>>> Cadillac CTS
>>> Cadillac CTS-V
>>> Cadillac DTS
>>> Chevrolet HHR
>>> Chevrolet Impala
>>> Chevrolet Malibu
>>> Chevrolet Tahoe
>>> Chrysler 300
>>> Chrysler PT Cruiser
>>> Dodge Durango
>>> Ford Five Hundred
>>> Ford Focus
>>> Ford Freestyle
>>> Ford Fusion
>>> GMC Yukon
>>> Jeep Liberty
>>> Lincoln MKZ
>>> Lincoln Town Car
>>> Mercury Milan
>>> Mercury Montego
>>> Pontiac G6
>>> Pontiac Torrent
>> What about Toyotas and Hondas made in America?
>
> Toyota and Honda assemble cars all over the world, but the profits go
> back to Japan.

And some of those profits come back to the US. Plus, Toyota and Honda
pay US income taxes and employ US workers.

The Michigan 3 need to make themselves relevant to use, not the other
way around.

Jeff

On Feb 12, 8:46Â*am, wrote:
> On Feb 12, 8:41�am, Jeff > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> > >http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/
>
> > > GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest
> > > ever annual loss for a US automaker.
>
> > > The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support
> > > they need, they are going to go under. �Consider buying an American
> > > car.
>
> > > Here are some American models recommended in the 2007 Consumer Reports
> > > Annual Auto Issue:
>
> > > Buick Lacrosse
> > > Buick Lucerne
> > > Cadillac CTS
> > > Cadillac CTS-V
> > > Cadillac DTS
> > > Chevrolet HHR
> > > Chevrolet Impala
> > > Chevrolet Malibu
> > > Chevrolet Tahoe
> > > Chrysler 300
> > > Chrysler PT Cruiser
> > > Dodge Durango
> > > Ford Five Hundred
> > > Ford Focus
> > > Ford Freestyle
> > > Ford Fusion
> > > GMC Yukon
> > > Jeep Liberty
> > > Lincoln MKZ
> > > Lincoln Town Car
> > > Mercury Milan
> > > Mercury Montego
> > > Pontiac G6
> > > Pontiac Torrent
>
> > What about Toyotas and Hondas made in America?
>
> Toyota and Honda assemble cars all over the world, but the profits go
> back to Japan.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Really! I would think the profits go first to the US subsidiaries to
pay for taxes, salaries, helathcare, workers's comp, plant
modernization, worker education. U.S. subsidiaries of Japanese auto
makers use the same ratio of pay differences between a manager and his/
her direct reports as they do in Japan.

Japan make a car that goes 250,000 miles without major repairs, runs
like brand new till it falls apart or we just give it to someone.
Korea, somewhat new to auto making, can do the same. But the US car
companies make ****. Answer that for me. I have a few ideas but you
can go first.

People are also dumping VWs for the same reasons Americans are dumping
U.S. cars.

wrote:
> On Feb 12, 8:46 am, wrote:
>> On Feb 12, 8:41�am, Jeff > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> wrote:
>>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/
>>>> GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest
>>>> ever annual loss for a US automaker.
>>>> The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support
>>>> they need, they are going to go under. �Consider buying an American
>>>> car.
>>>> Here are some American models recommended in the 2007 Consumer Reports
>>>> Annual Auto Issue:
>>>> Buick Lacrosse
>>>> Buick Lucerne
>>>> Cadillac CTS
>>>> Cadillac CTS-V
>>>> Cadillac DTS
>>>> Chevrolet HHR
>>>> Chevrolet Impala
>>>> Chevrolet Malibu
>>>> Chevrolet Tahoe
>>>> Chrysler 300
>>>> Chrysler PT Cruiser
>>>> Dodge Durango
>>>> Ford Five Hundred
>>>> Ford Focus
>>>> Ford Freestyle
>>>> Ford Fusion
>>>> GMC Yukon
>>>> Jeep Liberty
>>>> Lincoln MKZ
>>>> Lincoln Town Car
>>>> Mercury Milan
>>>> Mercury Montego
>>>> Pontiac G6
>>>> Pontiac Torrent
>>> What about Toyotas and Hondas made in America?
>> Toyota and Honda assemble cars all over the world, but the profits go
>> back to Japan.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Really! I would think the profits go first to the US subsidiaries to
> pay for taxes, salaries, helathcare, workers's comp, plant
> modernization, worker education. U.S. subsidiaries of Japanese auto
> makers use the same ratio of pay differences between a manager and his/
> her direct reports as they do in Japan.
>
> Japan make a car that goes 250,000 miles without major repairs, runs
> like brand new till it falls apart or we just give it to someone.
> Korea, somewhat new to auto making, can do the same. But the US car
> companies make ****. Answer that for me. I have a few ideas but you
> can go first.

Some cars made by XXXX (put in name of Korean, Japanese or American car
company) are really good, some are so-so and some are really bad. That's
true for all car companies. The proportion of bad American cars used to
be higher, but now, the American car companies are coming out with some
really good cars. And, the Japanese car companies made some really bad
cars, too.

jeff


> People are also dumping VWs for the same reasons Americans are dumping
> U.S. cars.

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <rfmsj.26$dh.21@trnddc01>, Jeff >
> wrote:
>
>> Some cars made by XXXX (put in name of Korean, Japanese or American car
>> company) are really good, some are so-so and some are really bad. That's
>> true for all car companies. The proportion of bad American cars used to
>> be higher, but now, the American car companies are coming out with some
>> really good cars. And, the Japanese car companies made some really bad
>> cars, too.
>
> Joe Sixpack has $25,000 to spend on a car. That's a bunch of money to
> him, and he doesn't want to waste it.
>
> No matter what he does, he rolls the dice. So, what does he do?
>
> Does he buy GM or Ford or Chrysler, with a track record that would make
> a Russian tractory factory blush from embarassment? Or does he buy a
> Japanese nameplate--where, to be sure, one could get a bad car, but the
> odds are so incredibly against that?

The old track record for the Michigan 3 isn't so good. But the track
record for the more recent cars is good.

Jeff