Consider buying American!

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> On Feb 12, 8:41�am, Jeff > wrote:
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wrote:
>>
>>>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/
>>
>>>GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest
>>>ever annual loss for a US automaker.
>>
>>>The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support
>>>they need, they are going to go under. �Consider buying an American
>>>car.
>>
>>>Here are some American models recommended in the 2007 Consumer Reports
>>>Annual Auto Issue:
>>
>>>Buick Lacrosse
>>>Buick Lucerne
>>>Cadillac CTS
>>>Cadillac CTS-V
>>>Cadillac DTS
>>>Chevrolet HHR
>>>Chevrolet Impala
>>>Chevrolet Malibu
>>>Chevrolet Tahoe
>>>Chrysler 300
>>>Chrysler PT Cruiser
>>>Dodge Durango
>>>Ford Five Hundred
>>>Ford Focus
>>>Ford Freestyle
>>>Ford Fusion
>>>GMC Yukon
>>>Jeep Liberty
>>>Lincoln MKZ
>>>Lincoln Town Car
>>>Mercury Milan
>>>Mercury Montego
>>>Pontiac G6
>>>Pontiac Torrent
>>
>>What about Toyotas and Hondas made in America?
>
>
> Toyota and Honda assemble cars all over the world, but the profits go
> back to Japan.


So?

They, (Honda/Toyota) build a far superior product.

JT

Tony Harding wrote:

> tater wrote:
>
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/
>>>
>>> GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest
>>> ever annual loss for a US automaker.
>>>
>>> The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support
>>> they need, they are going to go under. Consider buying an American
>>> car.
>>>
>>
>> American cars are crap. Made by unionists more worried about when their
>> next coffee break is than making quality cars. They've negotiated
>> themselves
>> right out of jobs as the big auto makers cut back. It's not possible
>> to do business that way and compete on a world wide economy.
>
>
> It's hardly the workers' fault - Honda & Toyota employ American workers
> and turn out quality vehicles. This is a management failing.


Yes... Getting in bed with the union back in the 1960's, 1970's and
1980's. Now, the cowz have come home to roost..

JT

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <uyosj.32$dh.21@trnddc01>, Jeff >
> wrote:
>
>>> Does he buy GM or Ford or Chrysler, with a track record that would make
>>> a Russian tractory factory blush from embarassment? Or does he buy a
>>> Japanese nameplate--where, to be sure, one could get a bad car, but the
>>> odds are so incredibly against that?
>> The old track record for the Michigan 3 isn't so good. But the track
>> record for the more recent cars is good.
>
> But it's not NEARLY enough of a track record compared to the Japanese
> nameplates--not nearly enough for Joe Sixpack to throw his hard earned
> $25,000.

Funny, the only carmaker to have increased sales last month was GM.

I guess you don't know Joe.

Jeff

Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>
>
> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 12, 8:41�am, Jeff > wrote:
>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/
>>>
>>>> GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest
>>>> ever annual loss for a US automaker.
>>>
>>>> The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support
>>>> they need, they are going to go under. �Consider buying an American
>>>> car.
>>>
>>>> Here are some American models recommended in the 2007 Consumer Reports
>>>> Annual Auto Issue:
>>>
>>>> Buick Lacrosse
>>>> Buick Lucerne
>>>> Cadillac CTS
>>>> Cadillac CTS-V
>>>> Cadillac DTS
>>>> Chevrolet HHR
>>>> Chevrolet Impala
>>>> Chevrolet Malibu
>>>> Chevrolet Tahoe
>>>> Chrysler 300
>>>> Chrysler PT Cruiser
>>>> Dodge Durango
>>>> Ford Five Hundred
>>>> Ford Focus
>>>> Ford Freestyle
>>>> Ford Fusion
>>>> GMC Yukon
>>>> Jeep Liberty
>>>> Lincoln MKZ
>>>> Lincoln Town Car
>>>> Mercury Milan
>>>> Mercury Montego
>>>> Pontiac G6
>>>> Pontiac Torrent
>>>
>>> What about Toyotas and Hondas made in America?
>>
>>
>> Toyota and Honda assemble cars all over the world, but the profits go
>> back to Japan.
>
>
> So?
>
> They, (Honda/Toyota) build a far superior product.
>
> JT
>

They used to. But, the Michigan 3 also build good cars.

In article >,
tater > wrote:

> > wrote in message
> ...
> > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/
> >
> > GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest
> > ever annual loss for a US automaker.
> >
> > The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support
> > they need, they are going to go under. Consider buying an American
> > car.
> >

> American cars are crap. Made by unionists more worried about when their
> next coffee break is than making quality cars. They've negotiated
> themselves right out of jobs as the big auto makers cut back. It's not
> possible to do business that way and compete on a world wide economy.

It's not possible for a country like the US to compete *at all* in the
world wide economy if you think the workforce wage cost is the only
important factor. You simply couldn't pay anyone as little as a Chinese
labourer as they couldn't even afford to buy food at US prices. Or
accommodation. Etc.

> A couple years ago I bought a Nissan truck with 92,000 miles on it and
> didn't bat an eye. I wouldn't even think of owning an American made car
> with over 60,000 miles on it. They fall apart.

> When American auto makers start turning out a quality product at
> a competitive price I'll take a look at them.

Thing I've never understood is why the American cars we get in the UK - at
a far higher price than in the US - have such very poor interiors. Cheap
plastics etc. After all UK (Euro) Fords and Vauxhalls are ok.

--
*Why do psychics have to ask you for your name? *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"still just me" > wrote in message
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> On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:38:26 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
> > wrote:
>
>
>>> When American auto makers start turning out a quality product at
>>> a competitive price I'll take a look at them.
>
> Geez, I some people want everything. Just buy American, fill it with
> $40b Exxon gas, and stop ur whining! Don't you understand that there
> are CEO salaries at stake here?
>
> On a lighter note, when GM Management gets a friggin clue they might
> be able to make some money. Don't expect it in the foreseeable future.
> They've only made it this far due to inertia.
>
>>Thing I've never understood is why the American cars we get in the UK - at
>>a far higher price than in the US - have such very poor interiors. Cheap
>>plastics etc. After all UK (Euro) Fords and Vauxhalls are ok.
>
> I though Vauxhall was a GM brand now (?)

Yes that's the odd thing - Ford and GM actually make some quite good cars in
Europe these days, and to be fair many EU marques had horrifying reputations
a generation ago: -

Citroen - over complex, unrepairable.
Fiat - rust
BL - everything
Skoda - "the worst new cars sold in Britain - Car Magazine"
etc.

On Feb 12, 10:16*am, "tater" > wrote:
> > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> >http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/
>
> > GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest
> > ever annual loss for a US automaker.
>
> > The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support
> > they need, they are going to go under. *Consider buying an American
> > car.
>
> American cars are crap. Made by unionists more worried about when their
> next coffee break is than making quality cars. They've negotiated themselves
> right out of jobs as the big auto makers cut back. *It's not possible to do
> business
> that way and compete on a world wide economy.
>
> A couple years ago I bought a Nissan truck with 92,000 miles on it and
> didn't bat an eye. I wouldn't even think of owning an American made
> car with over 60,000 miles on it. They fall apart.

But it's not that way all the way across the board. Not all American
Cars are unreliable. There are some that are considered as reliable
as a Honda or Toyota, at least if you're buying new. If you're buying
used, CR certainly recommends a lot more import models than domestic
models in their used car section, but they do recommend some domestic
ones. I would expect that to change a little in the next few years
though. The Big 3 are still getting beaten badly by Toyota and Honda
when it comes to reliability, but more new American cars are getting
the CR reliability mark now than five or six years ago.

>
> When American auto makers start turning out a quality product at
> a competitive price I'll take a look at them.
>
> t

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 05:46:07 -0800 (PST), wrote:

>On Feb 12, 8:41?am, Jeff > wrote:
>> wrote:
>> >http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/
>>
>> > GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest
>> > ever annual loss for a US automaker.
>>
>> > The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support
>> > they need, they are going to go under. ?Consider buying an American
>> > car.
>>
>> > Here are some American models recommended in the 2007 Consumer Reports
>> > Annual Auto Issue:
>>
>> > Buick Lacrosse
>> > Buick Lucerne
>> > Cadillac CTS
>> > Cadillac CTS-V
>> > Cadillac DTS
>> > Chevrolet HHR
>> > Chevrolet Impala
>> > Chevrolet Malibu
>> > Chevrolet Tahoe
>> > Chrysler 300
>> > Chrysler PT Cruiser
>> > Dodge Durango
>> > Ford Five Hundred
>> > Ford Focus
>> > Ford Freestyle
>> > Ford Fusion
>> > GMC Yukon
>> > Jeep Liberty
>> > Lincoln MKZ
>> > Lincoln Town Car
>> > Mercury Milan
>> > Mercury Montego
>> > Pontiac G6
>> > Pontiac Torrent
>>
>> What about Toyotas and Hondas made in America?
>
>Toyota and Honda assemble cars all over the world, but the profits go
>back to Japan.

Whereas the domestic manufacturers don't even have profits.

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:20:02 -0000, "R. Mark Clayton"
> wrote:

>A man walks into a car spares shop and asks if they have a hub cap for a
>1995 Lada - "sounds like a fair swap" says the chap behind the counter.

No, No, No.

A man walks into a car spares shop and asks "Can I get a hub cap for
my 1995 Lada?" "Sounds like a fair swap," says the chap behind the
counter.

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:16:22 GMT, "tater" >
wrote:

>
> wrote in message
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>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23124844/
>>
>> GM just made it known that they lost 39 billion in 2007, the largest
>> ever annual loss for a US automaker.
>>
>> The big three are losing money, and if we don't give them the support
>> they need, they are going to go under. Consider buying an American
>> car.
>>
>
>American cars are crap. Made by unionists more worried about when their
>next coffee break is than making quality cars.

It's not the union worker's fault. You could hire a team of Formula 1
mechanics to disassemble and reassemble a Detroit 3 car and it would
still be a piece of crap.