Inferior windshield glass

On 2005-12-24, High Tech Misfit > wrote:

> As for you and "notbob" suggesting that I am an extreme right
winger...

> IMO, the concept of global warming has been blown way out of proportion.

Yeah, but you managed to work it in there, didn't you!

nb

High Tech Misfit wrote:
> IMO, the concept of global warming has been blown way out of proportion.

i dont think so, especially judging from last hurricane season. time
will tell if this indicates a trend, or is just a fluke.

regardless- i read somewhere that it would take a 50% reduction in the
crap we are spewing into the atmosphere just to make a difference. and
that aint gonna happen. no way, no how. india and china are doing lots
of heavy manufacturing and polluting, and theres no stopping em, even if
we stopped.

so basically, were just going to see what happens, and deal with it.

so in a way i agree with you... maybe our govt *should* ease up a bit,
since we arent really "steering the ship" anyway. banning 2-stroke
engines in the USA seems kinda harsh.

SoCalMike wrote:

>> IMO, the concept of global warming has been blown way out of
>> proportion.
>
> i dont think so, especially judging from last hurricane season. time
> will tell if this indicates a trend, or is just a fluke.

My theory is that it is merely the result of long-term weather patterns.
The U.S. had seen many hurricanes of Katrina magnitude prior to this year,
but not since the 1960s if not before. Where I live, the only unusual,
catastrophic weather event we have seen in the last 30 years was a 3-day
ice storm (freezing rain) in early 1998. Prior to this, the last time had
been in the 1940s.

High Tech Misfit wrote:

> Sparky Spartacus wrote:
>
>
>>>Blame the governments for caving in to the selfish demands of the
>>>enviro-nuts.
>>
>>Could you elaborate on this please (not challenging you, BTW, just curious).
>
>
> Firstly, I stood corrected as it pertained to inferior glass in many cars
> today (see other posts in this thread). However, stricter emissions
> regulations, crappy paints, and hard interior plastics can be attributed
> to environmental nuts getting their wishes granted by the governments.
>
> As for you and "notbob" suggesting that I am an extreme right winger who
> blames the left for everything wrong, that is not the case. Unlike many
> folks who choose to have a political leader do their thinking for them, I
> don't take political sides; I think for myself.

Of course you do, HTM, sure, babe, yup, right ...

High Tech Misfit wrote:

> SoCalMike wrote:
>
>
>>>IMO, the concept of global warming has been blown way out of
>>>proportion.
>>
>>i dont think so, especially judging from last hurricane season. time
>>will tell if this indicates a trend, or is just a fluke.
>
>
> My theory is that it is merely the result of long-term weather patterns.
> The U.S. had seen many hurricanes of Katrina magnitude prior to this year,
> but not since the 1960s if not before. Where I live, the only unusual,
> catastrophic weather event we have seen in the last 30 years was a 3-day
> ice storm (freezing rain) in early 1998. Prior to this, the last time had
> been in the 1940s.

Katrina, freezing rain in '88, etc., are just anecdotal evidence and
have nothing to do with the science of long term weather patterns.

Sparky Spartacus wrote:

>> My theory is that it is merely the result of long-term weather patterns.
>> The U.S. had seen many hurricanes of Katrina magnitude prior to this year,
>> but not since the 1960s if not before. Where I live, the only unusual,
>> catastrophic weather event we have seen in the last 30 years was a 3-day
>> ice storm (freezing rain) in early 1998. Prior to this, the last time had
>> been in the 1940s.
>
> Katrina, freezing rain in '88, etc., are just anecdotal evidence and
> have nothing to do with the science of long term weather patterns.

And there is no solid evidence that global warming caused them either.

SoCalMike wrote:
>
> High Tech Misfit wrote:
> > IMO, the concept of global warming has been blown way out of proportion.
>
> i dont think so, especially judging from last hurricane season. time
> will tell if this indicates a trend, or is just a fluke.
>


Most climatoligists don't agree and feel that the recent increase in
hurricane activity is simply cyclical. You have to be careful to
differentiate between hysteria, bad science and reality.


> regardless- i read somewhere that it would take a 50% reduction in the
> crap we are spewing into the atmosphere just to make a difference. and
> that aint gonna happen. no way, no how. india and china are doing lots
> of heavy manufacturing and polluting, and theres no stopping em, even if
> we stopped.
>
> so basically, were just going to see what happens, and deal with it.
>
> so in a way i agree with you... maybe our govt *should* ease up a bit,
> since we arent really "steering the ship" anyway. banning 2-stroke
> engines in the USA seems kinda harsh.



Again, global warming and cooling have been cyclical well before any
sort of recorded history. Preventative measures such as those proposed
by Kyoto etc. will do little if anything to prevent the coming cycle.
You're right in stating that we just simply have to plan to deal with it.

JT

(Once burned by bad science and never again!)

High Tech Misfit wrote:
>
> SoCalMike wrote:
>
> >> IMO, the concept of global warming has been blown way out of
> >> proportion.
> >
> > i dont think so, especially judging from last hurricane season. time
> > will tell if this indicates a trend, or is just a fluke.
>
> My theory is that it is merely the result of long-term weather patterns.
> The U.S. had seen many hurricanes of Katrina magnitude prior to this year,
> but not since the 1960s if not before. Where I live, the only unusual,
> catastrophic weather event we have seen in the last 30 years was a 3-day
> ice storm (freezing rain) in early 1998. Prior to this, the last time had
> been in the 1940s.



The previous (recorded) busiest hurricane season was 1933. Considering
that no satellite and other modern detection means existed then, there
is a good possibility that several short-lived storms went undetected.

Also, the means of measurement for intensity were far more primitive as
compared to today's equipment.

Certainly, no one can deny that this was not a good year weatherwise,
but it is far too early to associated the phenomenon with any single
given cause.

BTW, all modern glass in modern cars is far inferior to what it was only
forty years ago. Gone are the (nearly) 1/4 inch glass that was standard
back in those days...

JT