Cheapest gas in five years...

In Canada and the U.S., anyway. Crank up the cars, if you've still
got a job!

http://www.pbase.com/andersonrm/image/105869237

I bought regular unleaded for $1.599 this week in Lake Jackson, TX!

--
John

"Rich" > wrote in message
...
> In Canada and the U.S., anyway. Crank up the cars, if you've still
> got a job!
>
> http://www.pbase.com/andersonrm/image/105869237

On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:12:02 -0600, "John" > wrote:

>I bought regular unleaded for $1.599 this week in Lake Jackson, TX!



Regular for $1.599 is great, but as T. Boone Pickett said this morning
on TV. Oil consistently goes up and down, In the '70's it went up,
we got the Vega and the Pinto, then it went back down and we got
bigger cars, in the 80's it rose, we cinched out belts, and when it
went back down, we got a 4WD in most driveways, in the 90's when it
rose, we all bought Toyota's and Nissans, when it went back down, we
got the SUV, in this decade, it rose to record highs, we are now
facing a critical time. Do we stay the course for alternative
solutions, or do we all go buy a Hummer, an Escalade, or a "sports
guzzler" to celebrate the fall of regular to less than $2 a gallon
???

He predicted that in 10 years, (that's in 2018) oil will be $250 to
$300 a barrel. If that happens, $4 a gallon will seem like a bargain.
Now is the time to start preparing for the future, Ford talks about
turbocharging their smaller engines, We've got multi-displacement
engines, some hybrid vehicles, but they all still use gas. If we're
going to be able to drive our Mustangs in 10 years, we have got to all
push for alternative sources to power our "day to day" vehicles so we
can still enjoy the sports cars we now own or that evolve in the
future.

I guess what I'm saying is that now is NOT the time to rest on our
"laurels" (or our asses) and be "thankful" that gas is back down to
"record lows" It ain't gonna stay like this for very long before we
face another year like we just are finishing.

Solutions??? I dont have the answer, I guess I'm part of the problem
with my Mustang, but we just bought an Escape Hybrid, not nearly as
much fun to drive, but it is amazing to get 30+ MPG in town in
something that size.

Now, what were they saying about that electric Mustang with 600 HP????
<VEG> )

> wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:12:02 -0600, "John" > wrote:
>
>>I bought regular unleaded for $1.599 this week in Lake Jackson, TX!
>
> I guess what I'm saying is that now is NOT the time to rest on our
> "laurels" (or our asses) and be "thankful" that gas is back down to
> "record lows" It ain't gonna stay like this for very long before we
> face another year like we just are finishing.

I think that everyone with a brain has heard or read about the need to find
alternatives to the internal combustion engine. Thanks for reminding all of
the rest of us.

Meanwhile, I will celebrate that the price of gasoline HAS, in fact, come
back down toward the level of reality, instead of the overinflated prices
that raped all of us lately, blamed upon (insert your reason here).

dwight

"dwight" > wrote in message
...
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:12:02 -0600, "John" > wrote:
>>
>>>I bought regular unleaded for $1.599 this week in Lake Jackson, TX!
>>
>> I guess what I'm saying is that now is NOT the time to rest on our
>> "laurels" (or our asses) and be "thankful" that gas is back down to
>> "record lows" It ain't gonna stay like this for very long before we
>> face another year like we just are finishing.
>
> I think that everyone with a brain has heard or read about the need to
> find alternatives to the internal combustion engine. Thanks for reminding
> all of the rest of us.
>
> Meanwhile, I will celebrate that the price of gasoline HAS, in fact, come
> back down toward the level of reality, instead of the overinflated prices
> that raped all of us lately, blamed upon (insert your reason here).
>
> dwight
Here in the heart of oil rich Saskatchewan, we are paying $4.00 US for gas.
It just now went below $1.00 per litre.

On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:06:07 -0500, "dwight" >
wrote:

> wrote in message
.. .
>> On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:12:02 -0600, "John" > wrote:
>>
>>>I bought regular unleaded for $1.599 this week in Lake Jackson, TX!
>>
>> I guess what I'm saying is that now is NOT the time to rest on our
>> "laurels" (or our asses) and be "thankful" that gas is back down to
>> "record lows" It ain't gonna stay like this for very long before we
>> face another year like we just are finishing.
>
>I think that everyone with a brain has heard or read about the need to find
>alternatives to the internal combustion engine. Thanks for reminding all of
>the rest of us.
>
>Meanwhile, I will celebrate that the price of gasoline HAS, in fact, come
>back down toward the level of reality, instead of the overinflated prices
>that raped all of us lately, blamed upon (insert your reason here).
>
>dwight
>


Dwight,

My post was definitely NOT intended to be a slam at anyone who posts
or reads this group. I hope you didn't take it that way!!!! In the
past, we've all weathered the storm, then quickly returned to our "old
ways" of driving big cars with gluttonous appetites. I swore after
paying $.31 a gallon for Conotane in 1971 that I'd never own another
gas guzzler that got 10 miles a gallon, but as $.49 became the
standard, I decided to go ahead and get that V-8 Thunderbird, as the
years progressed, my wife was driving a V-8 Mercury Mountaineer, and I
got better mileage than her (16) so what the heck. Then, when the new
Mustangs came out in 2005, I bought the GT I'd always wanted, still
have it and love to drive it every day. BUT, I was thinking about
getting a Shelby GT and balked because of what Ford was allowing the
dealers to do with pricing. Then, as oil prices rose, Shelby GT
prices started to come back down to "near sticker" and I started
thinking about buying one again. As oil continued to rise, above $3 a
gallon, I thought it'd stabilize and I'd think about that Shelby. Then
it hit $3.50, 3.75 and it didn't stop. Last summer, in Gaylord, MI,
we paid $4.59 for regular !!! I know some people have paid more, but
that convinced me that I was frustrated with the grip the oil
companies had on a very sensitive part of my body !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think, like it or not, about the time of the double hurricane when
they shut down production in the gulf, I was anticipating $5 plus gas
by October, I don't know if the uncertainty in the election, the
economy, the banks or whatever reason caused oil to drop like it did,
but I am thankful that it did. All the other times in the past when
oil rose, I weathered the storm, thinking it was nice that the crunch
was over when prices fell, I wanted to believe that the increase was
temporary and we'd all be OK now that it was over.... I've come to
realize that it won't ever be over, it will happen again and again
until we're all priced out of the gasoline market. I don't like being
a pawn in Exxon's game of life and I resent being raped by them at the
pump. I just don't want the general population to "give them one more
chance because this is over" again.... we're caught by the short
hairs and every time they let go for a few seconds, it feels so good,
we just can't believe it'll happen again, but I think anyone who
watched the events of the past year has to realize that Exxon (and
their fellow oil companies) could care less about us as they profiteer
on the greed they all hold so dearly. Detroit, Japan, Germany and
England, the major automotive producers have got to work together to
give us alternatives to gasoline. Our government, like it or not, is
NOT in a position to solve this for the industry, the industry has to
get its ass in gear and solve it to remain alive to weather the next
oil crisis. How? Beats hell out of me, but certainly not by
increasing production of Hummers and then giving us a $10K rebate if
we buy one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ford, pay attention!!!!! $14K rebates on
Superduty 4X4's is no better for the future, whether it's my future or
Ford's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:06:07 -0500, "dwight" >
> wrote:
>
> wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:12:02 -0600, "John" > wrote:
>>>
>>>>I bought regular unleaded for $1.599 this week in Lake Jackson, TX!
>>>
>>> I guess what I'm saying is that now is NOT the time to rest on our
>>> "laurels" (or our asses) and be "thankful" that gas is back down to
>>> "record lows" It ain't gonna stay like this for very long before we
>>> face another year like we just are finishing.
>>
>>I think that everyone with a brain has heard or read about the need to
>>find
>>alternatives to the internal combustion engine. Thanks for reminding all
>>of
>>the rest of us.
>>
>>Meanwhile, I will celebrate that the price of gasoline HAS, in fact, come
>>back down toward the level of reality, instead of the overinflated prices
>>that raped all of us lately, blamed upon (insert your reason here).
>>
>>dwight
>>
>
>
> Dwight,
>
> My post was definitely NOT intended to be a slam at anyone who posts
> or reads this group. I hope you didn't take it that way!!!!

Not at all. But let's look around and see what IS, not what should be.

Hybrids and electrics have only very recently come into the market with any
significance. Meanwhile, dealer lots have plenty of leftover material that,
gee, all of a sudden nobody wants (or can afford, thanks to the tumbling
economy).

The automakers respond to the market. GM is sinking their entire future into
the Volt. Even the highly-touted Honda is promoting green vehicles with one
hand, while simultaneously continuing their efforts to build and sell
gasoline powered vehicles.

Perhaps within the next 10 years, if the new administration has enough of
an effect, we will solve the oil problem - a boon for us economically,
politically, and strategically. But this is not going to happen overnight,
and cannot happen overnight. This is a longterm goal, a longterm process,
and we still, today, have to deal with the millions and millions of gas and
diesel powered cars and trucks on the road NOW.

The recent rise in gas prices, just as with the OPEC 70s, was entirely
manmade. Greedy sons of bitches wanted more, and the rest of us gave it to
them.

And now that son of a bitch Pickens, who made his fortune at the expense of
humanity and the planet, wants to change direction and have us all filling
up with natural gas. To which I have to ask, how much natural gas does he
now control?

By the way, I'm no conspiracy buff, but c'mon... Cheney's secret energy
meeting the day the Bush administration got into office, the pick of Palin
as VP candidate (what's her real area of expertise?)... and now Pickens
launching his "save the world" ad campaign... Yeah, the push is on BIG time
for natural gas. Follow the money.

dwight

On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:32:35 -0500, "dwight" >
wrote:

> wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:06:07 -0500, "dwight" >
>> wrote:
>>
> wrote in message
...
>>>> On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:12:02 -0600, "John" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I bought regular unleaded for $1.599 this week in Lake Jackson, TX!
>>>>
>>>> I guess what I'm saying is that now is NOT the time to rest on our
>>>> "laurels" (or our asses) and be "thankful" that gas is back down to
>>>> "record lows" It ain't gonna stay like this for very long before we
>>>> face another year like we just are finishing.
>>>
>>>I think that everyone with a brain has heard or read about the need to
>>>find
>>>alternatives to the internal combustion engine. Thanks for reminding all
>>>of
>>>the rest of us.
>>>
>>>Meanwhile, I will celebrate that the price of gasoline HAS, in fact, come
>>>back down toward the level of reality, instead of the overinflated prices
>>>that raped all of us lately, blamed upon (insert your reason here).
>>>
>>>dwight
>>>
>>
>>
>> Dwight,
>>
>> My post was definitely NOT intended to be a slam at anyone who posts
>> or reads this group. I hope you didn't take it that way!!!!
>
>Not at all. But let's look around and see what IS, not what should be.
>
>Hybrids and electrics have only very recently come into the market with any
>significance. Meanwhile, dealer lots have plenty of leftover material that,
>gee, all of a sudden nobody wants (or can afford, thanks to the tumbling
>economy).
>
>The automakers respond to the market. GM is sinking their entire future into
>the Volt. Even the highly-touted Honda is promoting green vehicles with one
>hand, while simultaneously continuing their efforts to build and sell
>gasoline powered vehicles.
>
>Perhaps within the next 10 years, if the new administration has enough of
>an effect, we will solve the oil problem - a boon for us economically,
>politically, and strategically. But this is not going to happen overnight,
>and cannot happen overnight. This is a longterm goal, a longterm process,
>and we still, today, have to deal with the millions and millions of gas and
>diesel powered cars and trucks on the road NOW.
>
>The recent rise in gas prices, just as with the OPEC 70s, was entirely
>manmade. Greedy sons of bitches wanted more, and the rest of us gave it to
>them.
>
>And now that son of a bitch Pickens, who made his fortune at the expense of
>humanity and the planet, wants to change direction and have us all filling
>up with natural gas. To which I have to ask, how much natural gas does he
>now control?
>
>By the way, I'm no conspiracy buff, but c'mon... Cheney's secret energy
>meeting the day the Bush administration got into office, the pick of Palin
>as VP candidate (what's her real area of expertise?)... and now Pickens
>launching his "save the world" ad campaign... Yeah, the push is on BIG time
>for natural gas. Follow the money.
>
>dwight
>
>


Natural gas is NOT the answer, it may be a "stop gap" measure to buy
us a few years (at most) but if we do what we've grown so used to
doing, find a quick fix and then rely on it until it falls on its ass,
we'll flirt with natural gas until it puts us in the same "boat" as
oil and then we'll be right here, looking for solutions when the NG
runs out. ALL the major economies of the world rely on oil far too
much, Germany in its attempt to beocme oil independent, allowed
Russia to build a high pressure natural gas pipeline to supply
Germany's needs, but not until they passed a law limiting the amount
of energy piped into Germany at 25% of their annual energy supply.
Funny thing about that.... last year they raised the amount to 45%
and they are still not getting enough energy to make ends meet. They
use natural gas at such a "hungry rate" that now they are thinking
about a second pipeline. When that happens, and Russia turns off the
pumps, what happens to Germany's economy? What's next? Who is next?
What that tells me is that Russia is the next Saudi Arabia... just a
different form of "black gold"

America most definitely needs natural gas, whether we buy it from
Pickett or from Russia or from Exxon, it may very well be the fastest
way for us to get the hell out of OPEC's pocket, but if we stop there,
we're doomed once again. We all, Germany, England, Japan, America
need to sit down and figure out how the hell Holland kept all that
water out of their tiny country... Yeah, with wind power and a little
boy with a sore thumb ! Idealistically, we can't go sticking
something in a hole in the wall and fix America's energy needs, but we
can stop long enough to look past the gas pump, past the natural gas
and extension cord world of the GM Volt and realize that those
technologies are only a few years of "freedom" and after that, we
still need to fuel the more than 250 million cars in America, either
that or start buying stock in Nike and Reebok !!!!!!!!!!! Wind is
only one of a vast number of resources we have available to help. If
we develop them appropriately, we can shut off the need for OPEC oil,
save that little that's left so you can refuel Tfrog, Cfrog and I can
keep mine going for those special times as well. But, we have to use
what oil we have wisely if we expect it to last much past the next
decade. Else, all of our gasoline engines will be nothing more than
overgrown paperweights <sigh>

> wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:32:35 -0500, "dwight" >
> wrote:
>
> wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:06:07 -0500, "dwight" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
> wrote in message
m...
>>>>> On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:12:02 -0600, "John" > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I bought regular unleaded for $1.599 this week in Lake Jackson, TX!
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess what I'm saying is that now is NOT the time to rest on our
>>>>> "laurels" (or our asses) and be "thankful" that gas is back down to
>>>>> "record lows" It ain't gonna stay like this for very long before we
>>>>> face another year like we just are finishing.
>>>>
>>>>I think that everyone with a brain has heard or read about the need to
>>>>find
>>>>alternatives to the internal combustion engine. Thanks for reminding all
>>>>of
>>>>the rest of us.
>>>>
>>>>Meanwhile, I will celebrate that the price of gasoline HAS, in fact,
>>>>come
>>>>back down toward the level of reality, instead of the overinflated
>>>>prices
>>>>that raped all of us lately, blamed upon (insert your reason here).
>>>>
>>>>dwight
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dwight,
>>>
>>> My post was definitely NOT intended to be a slam at anyone who posts
>>> or reads this group. I hope you didn't take it that way!!!!
>>
>>Not at all. But let's look around and see what IS, not what should be.
>>
>>Hybrids and electrics have only very recently come into the market with
>>any
>>significance. Meanwhile, dealer lots have plenty of leftover material
>>that,
>>gee, all of a sudden nobody wants (or can afford, thanks to the tumbling
>>economy).
>>
>>The automakers respond to the market. GM is sinking their entire future
>>into
>>the Volt. Even the highly-touted Honda is promoting green vehicles with
>>one
>>hand, while simultaneously continuing their efforts to build and sell
>>gasoline powered vehicles.
>>
>>Perhaps within the next 10 years, if the new administration has enough of
>>an effect, we will solve the oil problem - a boon for us economically,
>>politically, and strategically. But this is not going to happen overnight,
>>and cannot happen overnight. This is a longterm goal, a longterm process,
>>and we still, today, have to deal with the millions and millions of gas
>>and
>>diesel powered cars and trucks on the road NOW.
>>
>>The recent rise in gas prices, just as with the OPEC 70s, was entirely
>>manmade. Greedy sons of bitches wanted more, and the rest of us gave it to
>>them.
>>
>>And now that son of a bitch Pickens, who made his fortune at the expense
>>of
>>humanity and the planet, wants to change direction and have us all filling
>>up with natural gas. To which I have to ask, how much natural gas does he
>>now control?
>>
>>By the way, I'm no conspiracy buff, but c'mon... Cheney's secret energy
>>meeting the day the Bush administration got into office, the pick of Palin
>>as VP candidate (what's her real area of expertise?)... and now Pickens
>>launching his "save the world" ad campaign... Yeah, the push is on BIG
>>time
>>for natural gas. Follow the money.
>>
>>dwight
>>
>>
>
>
> Natural gas is NOT the answer, it may be a "stop gap" measure to buy
> us a few years (at most) but if we do what we've grown so used to
> doing, find a quick fix and then rely on it until it falls on its ass,
> we'll flirt with natural gas until it puts us in the same "boat" as
> oil and then we'll be right here, looking for solutions when the NG
> runs out. ALL the major economies of the world rely on oil far too
> much, Germany in its attempt to beocme oil independent, allowed
> Russia to build a high pressure natural gas pipeline to supply
> Germany's needs, but not until they passed a law limiting the amount
> of energy piped into Germany at 25% of their annual energy supply.
> Funny thing about that.... last year they raised the amount to 45%
> and they are still not getting enough energy to make ends meet. They
> use natural gas at such a "hungry rate" that now they are thinking
> about a second pipeline. When that happens, and Russia turns off the
> pumps, what happens to Germany's economy? What's next? Who is next?
> What that tells me is that Russia is the next Saudi Arabia... just a
> different form of "black gold"
>
> America most definitely needs natural gas, whether we buy it from
> Pickett or from Russia or from Exxon, it may very well be the fastest
> way for us to get the hell out of OPEC's pocket, but if we stop there,
> we're doomed once again. We all, Germany, England, Japan, America
> need to sit down and figure out how the hell Holland kept all that
> water out of their tiny country... Yeah, with wind power and a little
> boy with a sore thumb ! Idealistically, we can't go sticking
> something in a hole in the wall and fix America's energy needs, but we
> can stop long enough to look past the gas pump, past the natural gas
> and extension cord world of the GM Volt and realize that those
> technologies are only a few years of "freedom" and after that, we
> still need to fuel the more than 250 million cars in America, either
> that or start buying stock in Nike and Reebok !!!!!!!!!!! Wind is
> only one of a vast number of resources we have available to help. If
> we develop them appropriately, we can shut off the need for OPEC oil,
> save that little that's left so you can refuel Tfrog, Cfrog and I can
> keep mine going for those special times as well. But, we have to use
> what oil we have wisely if we expect it to last much past the next
> decade. Else, all of our gasoline engines will be nothing more than
> overgrown paperweights <sigh>

I'm not interested in cars powered by natural gas. I use propane for my fake
fireplace and my barbecue, and that's all the gas I need. I'm not
comfortable as it is, driving around with a dozen gallons of flammable fuel
three feet behind my ass, and a tank full of natural gas doesn't put my mind
at ease.

I'm not interested in seeing the country's fleet powered by natural gas. I'm
not interested in electric cars (all of that suddenly new demand for
electricity has to come from somewhere, too), but I'll drive one for a
while, if it helps us to get away from oil and gas. Hell, maybe one of the
future employee perks will be a free recharge while you're at work. (Oh,
wait... that would put yet another strain on peak time energy demands.)

I was never in favor of using FOOD as fuel. I think that electricity, in the
short run anyway, is the same deal - we'd be taking a resource away from
where it's needed to replace oil, and that's a bad trade.

It's time for something completely different. Something totally out of the
box, a fundamental change in the way we power our personal transportation
devices. I saw something in the movie Iron Man that looked promising.

I just got another email that promises me $750/week working at home. Maybe
that's the answer.

dwight

dwight wrote:

>
> I'm not interested in cars powered by natural gas. I use propane for my fake
> fireplace and my barbecue, and that's all the gas I need. I'm not
> comfortable as it is, driving around with a dozen gallons of flammable fuel
> three feet behind my ass, and a tank full of natural gas doesn't put my mind
> at ease.
>
> I'm not interested in seeing the country's fleet powered by natural gas. I'm
> not interested in electric cars (all of that suddenly new demand for
> electricity has to come from somewhere, too), but I'll drive one for a
> while, if it helps us to get away from oil and gas. Hell, maybe one of the
> future employee perks will be a free recharge while you're at work. (Oh,
> wait... that would put yet another strain on peak time energy demands.)
>
> I was never in favor of using FOOD as fuel. I think that electricity, in the
> short run anyway, is the same deal - we'd be taking a resource away from
> where it's needed to replace oil, and that's a bad trade.
>
> It's time for something completely different. Something totally out of the
> box, a fundamental change in the way we power our personal transportation
> devices. I saw something in the movie Iron Man that looked promising.
>
> I just got another email that promises me $750/week working at home. Maybe
> that's the answer.
>
> dwight
>
>

If I could buy a kit that would allow me to switch as I desired, I'd
install it in a second. Where I am though we have lots of access to NG
and the local utility has a lot of company cars that run in it.

--
"Boy, I've spent my adult life dealing with people like you.
There are few things that intimidate me; and a
post-adolescent, semi-literate cretin ain't one of them." - LSP972