What happ to the Pits?

wrote:

> I agree, and the only reason I run with rFactor is because I know these
> tricks, the amount of people I have spoken to who are new to it and
> having a nightmare is absurd. Though attempts to setup some sort of
> "modders guild" went awry AFAIK because people railed against the idea
> that someone might be telling them what is good or not. rfcentral user
> ratings is all good and well, except that some of the high rated stuff
> I have looked at sucks.
.........
>
> Jon.

I look at it differently, coming from a background of ISI games, so
perhaps already be familiar with the various files and ".plr" file
edits give me an advantage.

It's a balancing act. rF provides the opportunity to race numerous
types of cars based on a single platform. It does that well, but at the
expense of being somewhat incomplete as standalone game. For example,
certainly many of the various edits and fixes that are done via text
files could be shifted to click boxes in game.

However, there is no other sim out there that offers the versatility of
rF. Stock cars, open wheels, gokarts, supercars, etc., all under one
roof.

As for rF Central, the user reviews may differ as they are opinions.You
thought it sucked, but perhaps many other ppl. felt it was good. It's a
place to start when deciding whether to dload a file or not. Similar to
the GPL Track DB...a lot of tracks "sucked" IMO, but got great reviews.
I prefer a certain style of track and if a highly rated track didn't
meet those expectations, I simply deleted the track folder. It doesn't
the track WAS bad, simply I didn't care for it.

Someone has to be brain dead to struggle with the track issue without
rfactorcentral. With it, it's very, very , very, very, very easy to see
which mods and tracks are high quality. Fantastic web site.

Funny how sims with an abundance of tracks was never a problem in the past,
but is now. Seems to me there is an agenda.


--
David G Fisher


"Byron Forbes" > wrote in message
...
> A few theories -
>
> a) A lot of people were stung by Simbin with GTR and GTR2 still has a lot
> of shortcomings - hows the online - how many online per server?
>
> b) whether you're a rookie or not, you take a look at rFactor and see a
> huge mess - too much frigging around to get to the point of sitting at the
> wheel/pedal set and actually getting to the simming experience. rFactor
> could be brilliant if they would pay the authors of tracks and mods a
> token fee, sanction their work after their in house quality testing and
> then hosting the stuff they give the thumbs up too. I'll be ****ed if I'm
> going to spend hours per week or even per day hunting down tracks and mods
> and then hunting down the eternal tweaks to those tracks/mods - way too
> much frigging about.
>
> c) Sim racing is a huge mess - it needs a world championship for starters.
> Which will probably require some sort of "official" organisation.
>
>
> Will iRacing be the answer to all the above?
>
>
>
> "Mitch_A" > wrote in message
> . com...
>> Ive been going to the Pits for around a decade and over the past years
>> Ive noticed the forum traffic there is gradually fading away. A few
>> rFactor posts but nothing on GTR2 or any Simbin products. Why nothing on
>> the best current Sim (GTR2?) Has activism gone astray at The Pits and
>> pulled the user base away with it or are they just focusing on becoming
>> the next Simbin/Corecodec/etc/etc?
>>
>> RSC while a great source of info is about as painful of a browse as can
>> be had on the net due to it's wild swings in perf.
>>
>> Simracing is technically better than it's ever been yet interest seems to
>> be dropping instead of growing. Go figure...
>>
>> Happy Thanksgivings folks.
>>
>> Mitch
>>
>
>

I don't really mean tracks, and I would hope that if a user review on
rfcentral referred to a track as "sucks" it would refer more to the
quality of the rendition, rather than the direction the corners go or
the flow, for a real world track anyway.

I refer more to car mods. I don't mind people having opinions, that is
fine, but sometimes people look at the "I like this car" rather than
the "Is this car accurately represented? Are the tyres well done? Is
this like driving the real world version in any way at all?"

To me, whether someone likes something or not is irrelevant, I like
Mario Kart, does that mean it's a realistic representation of kart
racing?

Of course, none of it really matters, because I can just download it
and try for myself, I don't get sleepless nights.

However, experience has taught me to use a separate rFactor
installation for such activities, because a few mods have been known to
really screw things up.

On the whole, there are some very good mods for rF that have had a
quite unprecedented amount of work put into them. I would gladly pay
$60 for V8Factor, F12005, and the ETCC mod... The Caterham mod is
shaping up well and the F179 mod is looking quite simply out of this
world in the current beta (Way ahead of the demo, btw), I would pay
$100 for this one!

It is crazy when you think about it, but rFactor reminds me of MSFS2004
as a modding framework, and if you look at your average FS nut, they
have probably invested $100's maybe $1000's of dollars in payware mods,
to think that the rFcommunity provides this for free is simply
astounding, we're spoilt.

Right, I am off to rfcentral to assuage my guilt using the "paypal
donate" button!

Jon.

wrote:
> I don't really mean tracks, and I would hope that if a user review on
> rfcentral referred to a track as "sucks" it would refer more to the
> quality of the rendition, rather than the direction the corners go or
> the flow, for a real world track anyway.
>
> I refer more to car mods. I don't mind people having opinions, that is
> fine, but sometimes people look at the "I like this car" rather than
> the "Is this car accurately represented? Are the tyres well done? Is
> this like driving the real world version in any way at all?"
>
> To me, whether someone likes something or not is irrelevant, I like
> Mario Kart, does that mean it's a realistic representation of kart
> racing?
>
> Of course, none of it really matters, because I can just download it
> and try for myself, I don't get sleepless nights.
>
> However, experience has taught me to use a separate rFactor
> installation for such activities, because a few mods have been known to
> really screw things up.
>
> On the whole, there are some very good mods for rF that have had a
> quite unprecedented amount of work put into them. I would gladly pay
> $60 for V8Factor, F12005, and the ETCC mod... The Caterham mod is
> shaping up well and the F179 mod is looking quite simply out of this
> world in the current beta (Way ahead of the demo, btw), I would pay
> $100 for this one!
>
> It is crazy when you think about it, but rFactor reminds me of MSFS2004
> as a modding framework, and if you look at your average FS nut, they
> have probably invested $100's maybe $1000's of dollars in payware mods,
> to think that the rFcommunity provides this for free is simply
> astounding, we're spoilt.
>
> Right, I am off to rfcentral to assuage my guilt using the "paypal
> donate" button!
>
> Jon.

On Nov 23, 6:25 pm, "Rookie" > wrote:
> I wish some of those mods would make their way to nr2003.. even though they
> can only use cup, cts, pta physics ect... still it would be fun to race
> the models around.
>
> the whelen mod died and I guess the dirt late model mod died as well...

The Whelen mod is very much alive. Check out
www.smodified.com.










> "Mitch_A" > wrote in igy.net...
>
>
>
> > That makes sense. Too bad though, every joeblow and his cousin is making
> > a mod and no one else has ever been "The Pits"
>
> > Mitch
>
> > "Scott B. Husted" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> Being a dormant member of the Pits Crew, I won't - can't - speak for Jan
> >> or anyone else there.. but The Pits is really an rFactor modding group
> >> now, which is why you won't find anything about GTR2 or any SimBin
> >> product there.
>
> >> Scott
>
> >> Mitch_A wrote:
> >>> Ive been going to the Pits for around a decade and over the past years
> >>> Ive noticed the forum traffic there is gradually fading away. A few
> >>> rFactor posts but nothing on GTR2 or any Simbin products. Why nothing
> >>> on the best current Sim (GTR2?) Has activism gone astray at The Pits
> >>> and pulled the user base away with it or are they just focusing on
> >>> becoming the next Simbin/Corecodec/etc/etc?
>
> >>> RSC while a great source of info is about as painful of a browse as can
> >>> be had on the net due to it's wild swings in perf.
>
> >>> Simracing is technically better than it's ever been yet interest seems
> >>> to be dropping instead of growing. Go figure...
>
> >>> Happy Thanksgivings folks.
>
> >>> Mitch
>
> >> --
> >> Scott B. Husted®
> >>http://www.Husted.cc
> >> ICQ# - 4395450 | AIM - Hylander12871 | Yahoo - sbhusted
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Item B is exactly what has turned me off of rFactor. I barely have time to
race, much less spend 80% of the time I do have keeping up with Mods and
tracks.

-Larry

"Byron Forbes" > wrote in message
...
> A few theories -
>
> a) A lot of people were stung by Simbin with GTR and GTR2 still has a lot
> of shortcomings - hows the online - how many online per server?
>
> b) whether you're a rookie or not, you take a look at rFactor and see a
> huge mess - too much frigging around to get to the point of sitting at the
> wheel/pedal set and actually getting to the simming experience. rFactor
> could be brilliant if they would pay the authors of tracks and mods a
> token fee, sanction their work after their in house quality testing and
> then hosting the stuff they give the thumbs up too. I'll be ****ed if I'm
> going to spend hours per week or even per day hunting down tracks and mods
> and then hunting down the eternal tweaks to those tracks/mods - way too
> much frigging about.
>
> c) Sim racing is a huge mess - it needs a world championship for starters.
> Which will probably require some sort of "official" organisation.
>
>
> Will iRacing be the answer to all the above?
>
>
>
> "Mitch_A" > wrote in message
> . com...
>> Ive been going to the Pits for around a decade and over the past years
>> Ive noticed the forum traffic there is gradually fading away. A few
>> rFactor posts but nothing on GTR2 or any Simbin products. Why nothing on
>> the best current Sim (GTR2?) Has activism gone astray at The Pits and
>> pulled the user base away with it or are they just focusing on becoming
>> the next Simbin/Corecodec/etc/etc?
>>
>> RSC while a great source of info is about as painful of a browse as can
>> be had on the net due to it's wild swings in perf.
>>
>> Simracing is technically better than it's ever been yet interest seems to
>> be dropping instead of growing. Go figure...
>>
>> Happy Thanksgivings folks.
>>
>> Mitch
>>
>
>

Larry wrote:
> Item B is exactly what has turned me off of rFactor. I barely have time to
> race, much less spend 80% of the time I do have keeping up with Mods and
> tracks.

Yea, most of the time I'd be happy just to jump into an online race
using OW Challenge and one of the stock tracks. You almost never find
races like that. So you do end up constantly downloading the latest
mod or track.

So is that really bad? I'm not so sure as long as you have broadband.
Just by installing the Megane or the ETCC mod you can almost always
find good racing. It's just the idea that people keep switching from
mod to mod, and you have to follow suit just to find races.

What would be nice is some sort of internal system in rFactor for
keeping up with mods and tracks. Seems like a lot of work went into
Racecast but it's almost worthless.

I have a friend who used to race sims a lot, but hasn't in years. He
used to run full length GP's in concert with the real F1 season. That
was all he did with race sims. This was pre-online racing. A while
back he came over and tried rFactor, and was impressed and interested
in buying it. After looking into it he decided not to bother because
of the effort required to collect all the various pieces to put
together a full F1 season. That kind of illustrates the problem for
rFactor.

Pat Dotson

Larry wrote:

> Item B is exactly what has turned me off of rFactor. I barely have time to
> race, much less spend 80% of the time I do have keeping up with Mods and
> tracks.
>
> -Larry

>>b) whether you're a rookie or not, you take a look at rFactor and see a
>>huge mess - too much frigging around to get to the point of sitting at the
>>wheel/pedal set and actually getting to the simming experience.

IMO, it's not that bad.
No one says you need to have all the latest, greatest mods/tracks
installed. There is plenty of stable material to choose from.

Hit up rfactorcentral.com
Pick a mod or two that look interesting. DL and install.
Find a league running the car(s) and install only the tracks needed.
Have fun!

RFC is a good source for reasonably stable track releases. This
(hopefully) avoids wading through zillions of pages of RSC forum
announcements.

What would make this entire problem go away is a button on the online screen
that says:

"Download and install track" or "Download and install Mod".

It downloads it from a central repository and installs it, then allows you
to race.

If they do that, then I'll re-visit rFactor.

-Larry

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> Larry wrote:
>> Item B is exactly what has turned me off of rFactor. I barely have time
>> to
>> race, much less spend 80% of the time I do have keeping up with Mods and
>> tracks.
>
> Yea, most of the time I'd be happy just to jump into an online race
> using OW Challenge and one of the stock tracks. You almost never find
> races like that. So you do end up constantly downloading the latest
> mod or track.
>
> So is that really bad? I'm not so sure as long as you have broadband.
> Just by installing the Megane or the ETCC mod you can almost always
> find good racing. It's just the idea that people keep switching from
> mod to mod, and you have to follow suit just to find races.
>
> What would be nice is some sort of internal system in rFactor for
> keeping up with mods and tracks. Seems like a lot of work went into
> Racecast but it's almost worthless.
>
> I have a friend who used to race sims a lot, but hasn't in years. He
> used to run full length GP's in concert with the real F1 season. That
> was all he did with race sims. This was pre-online racing. A while
> back he came over and tried rFactor, and was impressed and interested
> in buying it. After looking into it he decided not to bother because
> of the effort required to collect all the various pieces to put
> together a full F1 season. That kind of illustrates the problem for
> rFactor.
>
> Pat Dotson
>

I've tried this. A couple of times. The odds of you having the right
track, version or mod is getting lower and lower as time goes on.

Like I said in my other post, if they would centralize the download in the
online screen, then I'm all in.

-Larry

"Greg Campbell" > wrote in message
...
> Larry wrote:
> IMO, it's not that bad.
> No one says you need to have all the latest, greatest mods/tracks
> installed. There is plenty of stable material to choose from.
>
> Hit up rfactorcentral.com
> Pick a mod or two that look interesting. DL and install.
> Find a league running the car(s) and install only the tracks needed.
> Have fun!
>
> RFC is a good source for reasonably stable track releases. This
> (hopefully) avoids wading through zillions of pages of RSC forum
> announcements.