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"jim beam" > wrote in message ...
> Pszemol wrote:
>> "jim beam" > wrote in message
>> t...
>>>> I was never comparing her 93 to todays 2008 models but I was
>>>> comparing her
>>>> 93 now with 185k miles to *the same car* when young, with 10k miles
>>>> in 1993.
>>>> Do you really think her 93 with 185k burns less fuel than when it had
>>>> 10k miles
>>>> on the odometer? I certainly doubt it.
>>>
>>> yes i do - at 10k, the motor is still tight and thus wastes more
>>> energy on friction.
>>
>> Can you point me to some source information on this subject?
>
> absolutely. http://www.google.com

trying very hard to be funny?
Show me a document proving what you said about the car engine
@ 10k being tight and wasting more energy on frictionthan @ 50k.

"AZ Nomad" > wrote in message ...
> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 05:48:14 -0700, jim beam > wrote:
>>Pszemol wrote:
>>> "jim beam" > wrote in message
>>> t...
>>>>> I was never comparing her 93 to todays 2008 models but I was
>>>>> comparing her
>>>>> 93 now with 185k miles to *the same car* when young, with 10k miles
>>>>> in 1993.
>>>>> Do you really think her 93 with 185k burns less fuel than when it had
>>>>> 10k miles
>>>>> on the odometer? I certainly doubt it.
>>>>
>>>> yes i do - at 10k, the motor is still tight and thus wastes more
>>>> energy on friction.
>>>
>>> Can you point me to some source information on this subject?
>
>>absolutely. http://www.google.com
>
> You expect somebody who was incapable of operating a web browser and visiting
> google in the first place to be able to use it now?
> You need to give him a search string. Obviously, he can't do it by himself.

I can see you have joined the elite club...

> Pez: try "engine break-in fuel economy"

Break-in?? You must be kidding me...
We were talking about 10k and 50k comparison, not the first thousand miles break-in.
Sorry, but I was still unable to find a document comparing mpg of 10k and 50k cars.
Can you be so kind (and wise) and give me the link you've refered to?
I am not as good with google as you, and I was only able to find this page:
http://autorepair.about.com/cs/gener...a022501a_2.htm
To quote:
"New Engines:
New vehicles have not yet had an opportunity for the engine to break in
(rings to seat, etc.). A typical engine will take three to five thousand
miles to break in, and during this time period a gradual increase in fuel
economy can be expected." I cannot see there anything about 50k miles car
being better on mileage than a 10k car...
Same he
http://www.autotrader.com/research/a...rdpage=ARTPOS1
"Engine Break-in
New vehicles will not obtain their optimal fuel economy until the engine has broken in. This may take 3-5 thousand miles."

Nothing anywhere about the effects of engine break-in
after the first 10k miles and between 10k-50k period.

Show me how you, my Master, use the google, please!

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:29:35 -0500, Pszemol > wrote:
>"AZ Nomad" > wrote in message ...
>> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 01:21:03 -0500, Pszemol > wrote:
>>>"Grumpy AuContraire" > wrote in message
...
>>>> You really don't know much do you?
>>
>>>Another with childish coments?
>>
>>>> A car with 10K on it will almost always be less fuel efficient than one with 50K or more...
>>
>>>Really? So the best days for a car start when the warranty ends :-))
>>
>> Only if you drive a yugo. Most cars come a warranty that is a bit
>> longer than 10K miles.

>I am not sure if you noticed 50k there...
>Usual warranty period is 36, sometimes 40 - very rarelly any longer.

Yeah right. Pretty rare. The following makers all have basic
warranties greater than 40K miles:
Acura 4/50,000
Audi 4/50,000
BMW 4/50,000
Buick 4/50,000
Cadillac 4/50,000
HUMMER 4/50,000
Hyundai 5/60,000
Infiniti 4/60,000
Isuzu 3/50,000
Jaguar 4/50,000
Kia 5/60,000
Land Rover 4/50,000
Lexus 4/50,000
Lincoln 4/50,000
Mercedes-Benz 4/50,000
MINI 4/50,000
Mitsubishi 5/60,000
Porsche 4/50,000
Saab 4/50,000
Volkswagen 4/50,000
Volvo 4/50,000

"AZ Nomad" > wrote in message ...
>>> Only if you drive a yugo. Most cars come a warranty that is a bit
>>> longer than 10K miles.
>
>>I am not sure if you noticed 50k there...
>>Usual warranty period is 36, sometimes 40 - very rarelly any longer.
>
> Yeah right. Pretty rare. The following makers all have basic
> warranties greater than 40K miles:
> Acura 4/50,000
> Audi 4/50,000
> BMW 4/50,000
> Buick 4/50,000
> Cadillac 4/50,000
> HUMMER 4/50,000
> Hyundai 5/60,000
> Infiniti 4/60,000
> Isuzu 3/50,000
> Jaguar 4/50,000
> Kia 5/60,000
> Land Rover 4/50,000
> Lexus 4/50,000
> Lincoln 4/50,000
> Mercedes-Benz 4/50,000
> MINI 4/50,000
> Mitsubishi 5/60,000
> Porsche 4/50,000
> Saab 4/50,000
> Volkswagen 4/50,000
> Volvo 4/50,000

I can see you have a lot of time on your hand, please
add to the list the BIGGEST car manufacturers like toyota,
gm, ford honda and not only with their luxury items.

What is the warranty on honda, discussed here?

"jim beam" > wrote in message t...
> obviously. but all i'll help him with is kicking the chair out of the
> way after he's put the noose around his own idiot neck.

I can see now more clearly what sort of people you are.

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:32:01 -0500, Pszemol > wrote:
>"AZ Nomad" > wrote in message ...
>>>> Only if you drive a yugo. Most cars come a warranty that is a bit
>>>> longer than 10K miles.
>>
>>>I am not sure if you noticed 50k there...
>>>Usual warranty period is 36, sometimes 40 - very rarelly any longer.
>>
>> Yeah right. Pretty rare. The following makers all have basic
>> warranties greater than 40K miles:
>> Acura 4/50,000
>> Audi 4/50,000
>> BMW 4/50,000
>> Buick 4/50,000
>> Cadillac 4/50,000
>> HUMMER 4/50,000
>> Hyundai 5/60,000
>> Infiniti 4/60,000
>> Isuzu 3/50,000
>> Jaguar 4/50,000
>> Kia 5/60,000
>> Land Rover 4/50,000
>> Lexus 4/50,000
>> Lincoln 4/50,000
>> Mercedes-Benz 4/50,000
>> MINI 4/50,000
>> Mitsubishi 5/60,000
>> Porsche 4/50,000
>> Saab 4/50,000
>> Volkswagen 4/50,000
>> Volvo 4/50,000

>I can see you have a lot of time on your hand, please
>add to the list the BIGGEST car manufacturers like toyota,
>gm, ford honda and not only with their luxury items.

>What is the warranty on honda, discussed here?

Look up the word rare. You obviously have no ****ing clue of the
word's meaning.

On 2008-07-17, AZ Nomad > wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:32:01 -0500, Pszemol > wrote:
>>"AZ Nomad" > wrote in message ...
>>>>> Only if you drive a yugo. Most cars come a warranty that is a bit
>>>>> longer than 10K miles.
>>>
>>>>I am not sure if you noticed 50k there...
>>>>Usual warranty period is 36, sometimes 40 - very rarelly any longer.
>>>
>>> Yeah right. Pretty rare. The following makers all have basic
>>> warranties greater than 40K miles:
>>> Acura 4/50,000
>>> Audi 4/50,000
>>> BMW 4/50,000
>>> Buick 4/50,000
>>> Cadillac 4/50,000
>>> HUMMER 4/50,000
>>> Hyundai 5/60,000
>>> Infiniti 4/60,000
>>> Isuzu 3/50,000
>>> Jaguar 4/50,000
>>> Kia 5/60,000
>>> Land Rover 4/50,000
>>> Lexus 4/50,000
>>> Lincoln 4/50,000
>>> Mercedes-Benz 4/50,000
>>> MINI 4/50,000
>>> Mitsubishi 5/60,000
>>> Porsche 4/50,000
>>> Saab 4/50,000
>>> Volkswagen 4/50,000
>>> Volvo 4/50,000
>
>>I can see you have a lot of time on your hand, please
>>add to the list the BIGGEST car manufacturers like toyota,
>>gm, ford honda and not only with their luxury items.
>
>>What is the warranty on honda, discussed here?
>
> Look up the word rare. You obviously have no ****ing clue of the
> word's meaning.

Not to mention that this only counts the basic warranty... The
powertrain warranty is more for all of them, including GM's 5 year
100K, and Chrysler's Lifetime (for the original owner). Honda and
Toyota ar 5/60...


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"Joe" > wrote
> Not to mention that this only counts the basic warranty...
> The
> powertrain warranty is more for all of them, including
> GM's 5 year
> 100K, and Chrysler's Lifetime (for the original owner).
> Honda and
> Toyota ar 5/60...

Hyundai at 10 years/100k miles on the powertrain. The first
"long warranty" company.

I was wondering where Hyundai was until you went to the
heart of the matter.

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:48:57 -0500, Joe > wrote:
>On 2008-07-17, AZ Nomad > wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:32:01 -0500, Pszemol > wrote:
>>>"AZ Nomad" > wrote in message ...
>>>>>> Only if you drive a yugo. Most cars come a warranty that is a bit
>>>>>> longer than 10K miles.
>>>>
>>>>>I am not sure if you noticed 50k there...
>>>>>Usual warranty period is 36, sometimes 40 - very rarelly any longer.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah right. Pretty rare. The following makers all have basic
>>>> warranties greater than 40K miles:
>>>> Acura 4/50,000
>>>> Audi 4/50,000
>>>> BMW 4/50,000
>>>> Buick 4/50,000
>>>> Cadillac 4/50,000
>>>> HUMMER 4/50,000
>>>> Hyundai 5/60,000
>>>> Infiniti 4/60,000
>>>> Isuzu 3/50,000
>>>> Jaguar 4/50,000
>>>> Kia 5/60,000
>>>> Land Rover 4/50,000
>>>> Lexus 4/50,000
>>>> Lincoln 4/50,000
>>>> Mercedes-Benz 4/50,000
>>>> MINI 4/50,000
>>>> Mitsubishi 5/60,000
>>>> Porsche 4/50,000
>>>> Saab 4/50,000
>>>> Volkswagen 4/50,000
>>>> Volvo 4/50,000
>>
>>>I can see you have a lot of time on your hand, please
>>>add to the list the BIGGEST car manufacturers like toyota,
>>>gm, ford honda and not only with their luxury items.
>>
>>>What is the warranty on honda, discussed here?
>>
>> Look up the word rare. You obviously have no ****ing clue of the
>> word's meaning.

>Not to mention that this only counts the basic warranty... The
>powertrain warranty is more for all of them, including GM's 5 year
>100K, and Chrysler's Lifetime (for the original owner). Honda and
>Toyota ar 5/60...

Not only that, but if honda and toyota only offered a 200 mile warranty,
it still wouldn't have a bearing on the fact that their cars routinely
run flawlessly for 130,000 miles and their engines make often make it
to 300,000 miles with only scheduled maintenance. The #1 factor that
prevents the average lifespan from being 200,000 miles are car crashes
and owner neglect -- the owner failing to provide the recomended maintenance.

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:04:42 -0700, Elle > wrote:
>"Joe" > wrote
>> Not to mention that this only counts the basic warranty...
>> The
>> powertrain warranty is more for all of them, including
>> GM's 5 year
>> 100K, and Chrysler's Lifetime (for the original owner).
>> Honda and
>> Toyota ar 5/60...

>Hyundai at 10 years/100k miles on the powertrain. The first
>"long warranty" company.

>I was wondering where Hyundai was until you went to the
>heart of the matter.

And of course, nobody has ever seen a hyundai as having a warranty
over 40,000 miles is so amazingly rare.

I looked drove around for a bit and it was a whole 2 ****ing minutes
till I was one of those rare wonders. I bet nobody else has ever
seen so many of them!

Anybody ever seen a mercedes? Those are rare.
Anybody ever seen a volvo? There also rare. I bet there aren't 40
of them in the U.S.

I once saw a SAAB. I didn't know what an incredible feat that was.
Should I have called channel 4 news to call in the news reporters for
this rare observance?