65 beetle transaxle-transmission

I rebuilt a 65 many years ago-- beautiful car- but have always been
worried about the transmission.
I put a 1600cc into this thing-- reamed out the bell housing to make
it fit and made all the changes needed-- works fine for the most part-
but now bad about popping out of first. and-- it tends to want to
chatter when taking off in first gear or going in reverse if you don't
ease it out.. My question is -- what other transaxles can go in
there-- If I take it out I'd like to look into other possibilites--
or just rebuild this one..

Thanks--

up to 1968, but it usually has 4 bolt drums
Or purchase a remanned unit
Are you sure the clutch cable tubing has not broken away in the tunnel?
Or the mounts?

"Super65" > wrote in message
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>I rebuilt a 65 many years ago-- beautiful car- but have always been
> worried about the transmission.
> I put a 1600cc into this thing-- reamed out the bell housing to make
> it fit and made all the changes needed-- works fine for the most part-
> but now bad about popping out of first. and-- it tends to want to
> chatter when taking off in first gear or going in reverse if you don't
> ease it out.. My question is -- what other transaxles can go in
> there-- If I take it out I'd like to look into other possibilites--
> or just rebuild this one..
>
> Thanks--

On Sep 13, 8:17*pm, "dave AKA vwdoc1" >
wrote:
> up to 1968, but it usually has 4 bolt drums
> Or purchase a remanned unit
> Are you sure the clutch cable tubing has not broken away in the tunnel?
> Or the mounts?
>
> "Super65" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> >I rebuilt a 65 many years ago-- beautiful car- but have always been
> > worried about the transmission.
> > I put a 1600cc into this thing-- reamed out the bell housing to make
> > it fit and made all the changes needed-- works fine for the most part-
> > but *now bad about popping out of first. *and-- it tends to want to
> > chatter when taking off in first gear or going in reverse if you don't
> > ease it out.. * *My question is -- what other transaxles can go in
> > there-- If I take it out I'd like to look into other possibilites--
> > or just rebuild this one..
>
> > Thanks--

Mounts are new-- Tubing I'm sure is fine-- It work's fine most of the
time-- Popping out of first is definitely a sign something is wrong.
A normal easy start out of first gear or reverse is ok. If you tried
to take off with any aggressiveness the chatter happens. I don't
believe it's the pressure plate? Could be?
no problems in any other gears, and I can take off in 2nd without any
problems..
I forgot about the 4 bolts-- I've got custom wheels I dont' want to
change.

On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 03:17:10 +0200, dave AKA vwdoc1
> wrote:

> up to 1968, but it usually has 4 bolt drums

You can use later units than that, I bolted a -74 straight into my -56 T1,
requires a Early(Pre -67 if I'm not mistaken) T2 nose cone, or adapter
front mount, nothing to it..

J.


> Or purchase a remanned unit
> Are you sure the clutch cable tubing has not broken away in the tunnel?
> Or the mounts?
>
> "Super65" > wrote in message
> ...
>> I rebuilt a 65 many years ago-- beautiful car- but have always been
>> worried about the transmission.
>> I put a 1600cc into this thing-- reamed out the bell housing to make
>> it fit and made all the changes needed-- works fine for the most part-
>> but now bad about popping out of first. and-- it tends to want to
>> chatter when taking off in first gear or going in reverse if you don't
>> ease it out.. My question is -- what other transaxles can go in
>> there-- If I take it out I'd like to look into other possibilites--
>> or just rebuild this one..
>>
>> Thanks--
>
>



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On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 04:06:12 +0200, Super65 > wrote:

> On Sep 13, 8:17*pm, "dave AKA vwdoc1" >
> wrote:
>> up to 1968, but it usually has 4 bolt drums
>> Or purchase a remanned unit
>> Are you sure the clutch cable tubing has not broken away in the tunnel?
>> Or the mounts?
>>
>> "Super65" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>> >I rebuilt a 65 many years ago-- beautiful car- but have always been
>> > worried about the transmission.
>> > I put a 1600cc into this thing-- reamed out the bell housing to make
>> > it fit and made all the changes needed-- works fine for the most part-
>> > but *now bad about popping out of first. *and-- it tends to want to
>> > chatter when taking off in first gear or going in reverse if you don't
>> > ease it out.. * *My question is -- what other transaxles can go in
>> > there-- If I take it out I'd like to look into other possibilites--
>> > or just rebuild this one..
>>
>> > Thanks--
>
> Mounts are new-- Tubing I'm sure is fine-- It work's fine most of the
> time-- Popping out of first is definitely a sign something is wrong.
> A normal easy start out of first gear or reverse is ok. If you tried
> to take off with any aggressiveness the chatter happens. I don't
> believe it's the pressure plate? Could be?

Not enough slack in the bowden tube if you are lucky, more likely
missaligned pressure plate springs or oil on the disk.

J.


> no problems in any other gears, and I can take off in 2nd without any
> problems..
> I forgot about the 4 bolts-- I've got custom wheels I dont' want to
> change.



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"P.J.Berg" > wrote in message
news
> On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 03:17:10 +0200, dave AKA vwdoc1
> > wrote:
>
>> up to 1968, but it usually has 4 bolt drums
>
> You can use later units than that, I bolted a -74 straight into my -56 T1,
> requires a Early(Pre -67 if I'm not mistaken) T2 nose cone, or adapter
> front mount, nothing to it..
>
> J.

I thought that some of the later transmissions would not allow the swing
axle tubes to be attached? Like only 1 side cover instead of 2? Maybe that
was in 1975 and later. <:-)
And with the '72 and up you would need a different pressure plate, or take
the ring off, and a different release bearing.
And the '73 and up would need to have the nose cone exchanged like J said.

If you really want something then maybe stick in a Porsche 5 speed trans, or
one of the aftermarket VW 5 speed transmissions. lol

thanks

It sounds like the Bowden tube is out of whack.

dave AKA vwdoc1 wrote:
> "P.J.Berg" > wrote in message
> news >
>>On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 03:17:10 +0200, dave AKA vwdoc1
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>up to 1968, but it usually has 4 bolt drums
>>
>>You can use later units than that, I bolted a -74 straight into my -56 T1,
>>requires a Early(Pre -67 if I'm not mistaken) T2 nose cone, or adapter
>>front mount, nothing to it..
>>
>>J.
>
>
> I thought that some of the later transmissions would not allow the swing
> axle tubes to be attached? Like only 1 side cover instead of 2? Maybe that
> was in 1975 and later. <:-)
> And with the '72 and up you would need a different pressure plate, or take
> the ring off, and a different release bearing.
> And the '73 and up would need to have the nose cone exchanged like J said.
>
> If you really want something then maybe stick in a Porsche 5 speed trans, or
> one of the aftermarket VW 5 speed transmissions. lol
>
> thanks
>
>

A '67 box is SA and uses a 12V starter.
Same TO bearing as your '65 so clutch isn't affected.
And it has 5-bolt drums...

'68 same same, except for 4-bolt drums and slight axle difference.

Speedy Jim
http://www.nls.net/mp/volks/

> Mounts are new-- Tubing I'm sure is fine-- It work's fine most of the
> time-- Popping out of first is definitely a sign something is wrong.

It will pop out of first if it is shuddering violently, so it's not
necessarily a transaxle fault. But it will become a transaxle fault if
you continue to drive it with this happening.

> A normal easy start out of first gear or reverse is ok. If you tried
> to take off with any aggressiveness the chatter happens. I don't
> believe it's the pressure plate? Could be?

If you do not have enough 'sag' in the bowden tube this will happen.
You should check it, and if needed fix, by placing more washers
between the end of the bowden tube and the bracket on the transaxle.
Could also be an oil contaminated clutch. Does your ride leak oil from
the junction between the transaxle and the engine?

Chris