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Ford gets a clue
I have been blasting Ford for abandoning their long time model names
like the Cougar, Thunderbird and, most of all, the Taurus. Now it appears that Alan Mulally (Ford's new CEO) is wondering the same thing I have been. This guy might be showing some promise. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070206/...urus_revived_5 |
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On Feb 6, 3:45 pm, Michael Johnson > wrote:
> I have been blasting Ford for abandoning their long time model names > like the Cougar, Thunderbird and, most of all, the Taurus. Great. I can't wait to buy a new Pinto. Actually, I've been blasting Ford for moving a lot of their assembly lines and factories to different countries. Is it because domestic labor is too high? Tell that to the foreign manufactures who now have factories in the states. |
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In article . com>, Kruse wrote:
> Actually, I've been blasting Ford for moving a lot of their assembly > lines and factories to different countries. Is it because domestic > labor is too high? Tell that to the foreign manufactures who now have > factories in the states. 1) Everybody else in the US is doing it. 2) UAW contracts with all sorts of nonsense that cost Ford a lot of money don't apply to the foreign competition. |
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On Feb 6, 7:41 pm, (Brent P) wrote:
> In article . com>, Kruse wrote: > 1) Everybody else in the US is doing it. > 2) UAW contracts with all sorts of nonsense that cost Ford a lot of money > don't apply to the foreign competition. Yea, I know. What started all this is when the government allowed foreign manufactures to build in the US. While the domestics had to pay for health care for aging workers, the foreign makers hired young employees that cost them virtually nothing give them insurance. And while the foreign makers can take a foreign-built part and simply paint it or put a sticker on it and call it domestically made, that isn't right either. It also isn't right that Ford can built a transmission/engine/whatever halfway around the world and make it cheaper than they can domestically. I will never buy a new Fusion or Focus. I can also say that while I have purchased new Fords in the past, I probably never will in the future. Maybe Ford should just have their cars built domestically by a foreign maker and just put their name on it............. |
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Ford gets a clue
Kruse wrote:
> On Feb 6, 3:45 pm, Michael Johnson > wrote: >> I have been blasting Ford for abandoning their long time model names >> like the Cougar, Thunderbird and, most of all, the Taurus. > > Great. I can't wait to buy a new Pinto. I doubt you will ever get the chance. The Taurus, OTOH, has great, positive name recognition with millions upon millions of past customers. It's good to see that someone in Ford realizes this and is doing something to correct the error of their ways. > Actually, I've been blasting Ford for moving a lot of their assembly > lines and factories to different countries. Is it because domestic > labor is too high? Tell that to the foreign manufactures who now have > factories in the states. The UAW is killing the domestic automakers as much as a poor marketing and products. What is the big difference between the foreign automakers and the domestic who have assembly plants in the USA? It is the unions that control the Big Three's work force. Protectionist policies won't solve any problems, keep jobs here or be good for the consumer. If you want everyone to be on a level playing field then eliminate the UAW. |
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"Kruse" > wrote in message
ups.com... > > Great. I can't wait to buy a new Pinto. You're looking back at a cheap little car built in the early 70's, when all cheap little cars were CRAP. The Chevy Vega and the Gremlin were the Pinto's main competition. Actually, a 2008 Pinto, built with all of the technological advances of the past 30+ years, might not be a bad little machine... Hatchback would be nice. dwight |
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Kruse wrote:
> On Feb 6, 7:41 pm, (Brent P) wrote: >> In article . com>, Kruse wrote: > >> 1) Everybody else in the US is doing it. >> 2) UAW contracts with all sorts of nonsense that cost Ford a lot of money >> don't apply to the foreign competition. > > Yea, I know. > What started all this is when the government allowed foreign > manufactures to build in the US. While the domestics had to pay for > health care for aging workers, the foreign makers hired young > employees that cost them virtually nothing give them insurance. And > while the foreign makers can take a foreign-built part and simply > paint it or put a sticker on it and call it domestically made, that > isn't right either. > It also isn't right that Ford can built a transmission/engine/whatever > halfway around the world and make it cheaper than they can > domestically. > I will never buy a new Fusion or Focus. I can also say that while I > have purchased new Fords in the past, I probably never will in the > future. > Maybe Ford should just have their cars built domestically by a foreign > maker and just put their name on it............. As Brent stated, Ford isn't close to the first manufacturer to see the writing on the wall. Look at where most of the day to day stuff we use is manufactured. It isn't here. Our standard of living is the result of utilizing cheap third world labor to manufacture goods for our own consumption. Automobiles are no different than sneakers, underwear, or TVs. Know why Toyota makes cars and trucks here? Because it is cheaper than making them in Japan. If the Big Three effectively use Third world labor to sell car The fact is we don't have the workforce to manufacture all crap we consume. We also don't have a workforce that is willing to do all the tedious, boring and low paying jobs to product all that crap at affordable prices. This is why there is such a demand for illegal immigrant labor. Automobile manufacturing is going to leave this country as it will leave Japan too. It has happened with many other industries, like cloths manufacturing for instance, and it will happen with many more over time. It is inevitable and evolutionary. |
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"dwight" > wrote in
: > You're looking back at a cheap little car built in the early 70's, > when all cheap little cars were CRAP. I'm going to tell my '75 Bobcat with 650,000 miles on it what you said. -- A: Because it disturbs the logical flow of the message. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? |
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In article >, Michael Johnson wrote:
> As Brent stated, Ford isn't close to the first manufacturer to see the > writing on the wall. Look at where most of the day to day stuff we use > is manufactured. It isn't here. Our standard of living is the result > of utilizing cheap third world labor to manufacture goods for our own > consumption. The problem is, that isn't sustainable. It's great for short term profits but eventually you eat your own doing it. The same is true with what the UAW did. It was great for them short term to bend the big 3 over when they could, but it wasn't sustainable long term. > The fact is we don't have the workforce to manufacture all crap we > consume. Actually we could manufacture most of it here, that is if we wanted to put our minds to the task. Automation allows one worker in the US to do what many do in China. > We also don't have a workforce that is willing to do all the > tedious, boring and low paying jobs to product all that crap at > affordable prices. False. We don't have a workforce willing to do it at the wage of someone in China. People in the US are there to do all sorts of crappy jobs. It's not like working in the walmart, target, or home depot putting the crap from china on the shelves is a less boring, tedious, and low paying job than making the crap would be. > This is why there is such a demand for illegal immigrant labor. There is no demand for illegal immigrant labor. Illegal immigrants come in and undercut the going wage. If there was a demand for more labor, wages would be going up faster than the illegals could get here to fill to the jobs. Instead the supply of labor is increasing greater than the demand and wages are going down. > Automobile manufacturing is going to leave this > country as it will leave Japan too. It has happened with many other > industries, like cloths manufacturing for instance, and it will happen > with many more over time. It is inevitable and evolutionary. I won't drive some car made in china. Too much experience with the way things are done over their to trust my life to something made there. |
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In article >, Michael Johnson wrote:
> that control the Big Three's work force. Protectionist policies won't > solve any problems, keep jobs here or be good for the consumer. If you > want everyone to be on a level playing field then eliminate the UAW. As I understand it, the foreign makers factories in the USA have rather good compensation and benefits packages. Of course there isn't any 'job bank' crap, or anything like that, but as jobs go, I haven't heard anything bad about it. I could be wrong though. And that's what has really rendered the UAW obsolete. At least the perception that the job market is much different than in the old days. People aren't being treated badly in the non-union factories. Plus, those manufacturers don't have that old mentality of the UAW where if you start screwing in taillights at age 18, you retire doing that at 65. |
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