Rotating tires -- Procomp directional treads

Hey guys,

Love my new 31" Procomp XT's...lookin meaner than those sissy stock tires

Anyhow, I'm coming up to a mileage point where I should rotate tires.
I'd like to bring in my spare too....but seeing as the front left tire would
go to the right rear, how can you do this if you can't flip the tire around
(to keep the IN-side of the rim towards the jeep)??

Rims are American racing 797's.

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Steve wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
> Love my new 31" Procomp XT's...lookin meaner than those sissy stock tires
>
> Anyhow, I'm coming up to a mileage point where I should rotate tires.
> I'd like to bring in my spare too....but seeing as the front left tire would
> go to the right rear, how can you do this if you can't flip the tire around
> (to keep the IN-side of the rim towards the jeep)??
>
> Rims are American racing 797's.

You follow the book rotation for the CJ7 or for bias ply tires and keep
them on one side.

The spare goes to the right rear, which is the main wear or drive tire,
the RR goes to the RF and the RF goes to the spare. The left side tires
just swap back and front.

This will make for even wear over the life ot the tires.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Steve wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
> Love my new 31" Procomp XT's...lookin meaner than those sissy stock tires
>
> Anyhow, I'm coming up to a mileage point where I should rotate tires.
> I'd like to bring in my spare too....but seeing as the front left tire would
> go to the right rear, how can you do this if you can't flip the tire around
> (to keep the IN-side of the rim towards the jeep)??
>
> Rims are American racing 797's.

this also applies to radials
as that is how the shop just rotated my timberline m/t's each side stays on
their side just like mike said.



"Mike Romain" > wrote in message
...
> You follow the book rotation for the CJ7 or for bias ply tires and keep
> them on one side.
>
> The spare goes to the right rear, which is the main wear or drive tire,
> the RR goes to the RF and the RF goes to the spare. The left side tires
> just swap back and front.
>
> This will make for even wear over the life ot the tires.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Steve wrote:
>>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> Love my new 31" Procomp XT's...lookin meaner than those sissy stock tires
>>
>>
>> Anyhow, I'm coming up to a mileage point where I should rotate tires.
>> I'd like to bring in my spare too....but seeing as the front left tire
>> would
>> go to the right rear, how can you do this if you can't flip the tire
>> around
>> (to keep the IN-side of the rim towards the jeep)??
>>
>> Rims are American racing 797's.

Well, 'you' know this, 'I' know this, my Jeeps owners manuals knows
this, but there are a 'whole' pile of people here that think defective
tires are 'normal' and cross rotate anyway like the tire makers
recommend and get quite upset about hearing different.

It is safer to say to 'follow the CJ7 'book' pattern for radials' or any
book pattern for bias ply... They don't own a CJ7 so don't get quite as
offended. LOL!

Mike

wraithyjeep wrote:
>
> this also applies to radials
> as that is how the shop just rotated my timberline m/t's each side stays on
> their side just like mike said.
>
> "Mike Romain" > wrote in message
> ...
> > You follow the book rotation for the CJ7 or for bias ply tires and keep
> > them on one side.
> >
> > The spare goes to the right rear, which is the main wear or drive tire,
> > the RR goes to the RF and the RF goes to the spare. The left side tires
> > just swap back and front.
> >
> > This will make for even wear over the life ot the tires.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Steve wrote:
> >>
> >> Hey guys,
> >>
> >> Love my new 31" Procomp XT's...lookin meaner than those sissy stock tires
> >>
> >>
> >> Anyhow, I'm coming up to a mileage point where I should rotate tires.
> >> I'd like to bring in my spare too....but seeing as the front left tire
> >> would
> >> go to the right rear, how can you do this if you can't flip the tire
> >> around
> >> (to keep the IN-side of the rim towards the jeep)??
> >>
> >> Rims are American racing 797's.

That doesn't apply to standard radials, and hasn't in many years, only
unidirectional radials like the ProComp XTerrain being asked about.

Jerry

wraithyjeep wrote:
> this also applies to radials
> as that is how the shop just rotated my timberline m/t's each side stays on
> their side just like mike said.
>
>
>
> "Mike Romain" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>You follow the book rotation for the CJ7 or for bias ply tires and keep
>>them on one side.
>>
>>The spare goes to the right rear, which is the main wear or drive tire,
>>the RR goes to the RF and the RF goes to the spare. The left side tires
>>just swap back and front.
>>
>>This will make for even wear over the life ot the tires.
>>
>>Mike
>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>
>>Steve wrote:
>>
>>>Hey guys,
>>>
>>>Love my new 31" Procomp XT's...lookin meaner than those sissy stock tires
>>>
>>>
>>>Anyhow, I'm coming up to a mileage point where I should rotate tires.
>>>I'd like to bring in my spare too....but seeing as the front left tire
>>>would
>>>go to the right rear, how can you do this if you can't flip the tire
>>>around
>>>(to keep the IN-side of the rim towards the jeep)??
>>>
>>>Rims are American racing 797's.
>
>
>

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/

http://townpeddler.com/rotation.html

"Mike Romain" > wrote in message
...
> Well, 'you' know this, 'I' know this, my Jeeps owners manuals knows
> this, but there are a 'whole' pile of people here that think defective
> tires are 'normal' and cross rotate anyway like the tire makers
> recommend and get quite upset about hearing different.
>
> It is safer to say to 'follow the CJ7 'book' pattern for radials' or any
> book pattern for bias ply... They don't own a CJ7 so don't get quite as
> offended. LOL!
>
> Mike
>
> wraithyjeep wrote:
>>
>> this also applies to radials
>> as that is how the shop just rotated my timberline m/t's each side stays
>> on
>> their side just like mike said.
>>
>> "Mike Romain" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > You follow the book rotation for the CJ7 or for bias ply tires and keep
>> > them on one side.
>> >
>> > The spare goes to the right rear, which is the main wear or drive tire,
>> > the RR goes to the RF and the RF goes to the spare. The left side
>> > tires
>> > just swap back and front.
>> >
>> > This will make for even wear over the life ot the tires.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >
>> > Steve wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hey guys,
>> >>
>> >> Love my new 31" Procomp XT's...lookin meaner than those sissy stock
>> >> tires
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Anyhow, I'm coming up to a mileage point where I should rotate tires.
>> >> I'd like to bring in my spare too....but seeing as the front left tire
>> >> would
>> >> go to the right rear, how can you do this if you can't flip the tire
>> >> around
>> >> (to keep the IN-side of the rim towards the jeep)??
>> >>
>> >> Rims are American racing 797's.

Well if you only have standard tires:
http://www.billhughes.com/temp/rotation.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O


Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> http://townpeddler.com/rotation.html

Matt, one of the major tire manufacturers... it had to have been BFG,
Goodyear, or similar actually answered that question years ago. They
explained that the first radial tires were manufacturerd on the same
equipment used to make bias-belted tires which causes problems. What
problems, I don't know.... other than you couldn't cross-rotate them.
Then they came out with different manufacturing equipment that was
specifically designed for radial tires that solved the issues with the
first generation tires. I read it with my own two eyes, it wasn't my
friend's cousin's brother-in-law that related that to me.

Jerry

Matt Osborn wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:18:09 -0700, Jerry Bransford >
> wrote:
>
>
>>That doesn't apply to standard radials, and hasn't in many years, only
>>unidirectional radials like the ProComp XTerrain being asked about.
>
>
> I know that auto and tire manufactures all agree that cross rotation
> of radial tires (except uni-directional tires) is the desired rotation
> method.
>
> What I'd like to know is why radial tires, when they were first made
> popular, were restricted to same side rotation. I mean physically,
> what was it that forced this deviation from the standard?
>
> Second, what have they done to the design of radial tires that now
> allows cross rotation?
>
> Third, have these changes only made cross rotation possible, but not
> necessarily good for the tires? That is, aside from uneven wear,
> which is rotation method is actually better for the tire?
>
> I'm pulling these numbers out of thin air, but they illustrate my
> question.
>
> Original radial tires:
>
> Cross rotation has 10 failures in 1,000,000 miles
> Same side has 5 failures in 1,000,000 miles
>
> Newer radial tires:
>
> Cross rotation has 5 failures in 1,000,000 miles
> Same side has 2 failures in 1,000,000 miles
>
> Does anybody know the actual failure rate?
>
>
> -- msosborn at msosborn dot com

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/

It is my understanding the differences from the first gen radials was in
their construction and how the radial belts were made into the tire
compaired to todays construction new gen radials. I think it all had to do
with the belts and which direction they were wound but do not quite me I am
going from memory.



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"Jerry Bransford" > wrote in message
news:SUMVe.14599$ct5.3822@fed1read04...
> Matt, one of the major tire manufacturers... it had to have been BFG,
> Goodyear, or similar actually answered that question years ago. They
> explained that the first radial tires were manufacturerd on the same
> equipment used to make bias-belted tires which causes problems. What
> problems, I don't know.... other than you couldn't cross-rotate them. Then
> they came out with different manufacturing equipment that was specifically
> designed for radial tires that solved the issues with the first generation
> tires. I read it with my own two eyes, it wasn't my friend's cousin's
> brother-in-law that related that to me.
>
> Jerry
>
> Matt Osborn wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:18:09 -0700, Jerry Bransford >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>That doesn't apply to standard radials, and hasn't in many years, only
>>>unidirectional radials like the ProComp XTerrain being asked about.
>>
>>
>> I know that auto and tire manufactures all agree that cross rotation
>> of radial tires (except uni-directional tires) is the desired rotation
>> method.
>>
>> What I'd like to know is why radial tires, when they were first made
>> popular, were restricted to same side rotation. I mean physically,
>> what was it that forced this deviation from the standard?
>>
>> Second, what have they done to the design of radial tires that now
>> allows cross rotation?
>>
>> Third, have these changes only made cross rotation possible, but not
>> necessarily good for the tires? That is, aside from uneven wear,
>> which is rotation method is actually better for the tire?
>>
>> I'm pulling these numbers out of thin air, but they illustrate my
>> question.
>>
>> Original radial tires:
>>
>> Cross rotation has 10 failures in 1,000,000 miles
>> Same side has 5 failures in 1,000,000 miles
>>
>> Newer radial tires:
>>
>> Cross rotation has 5 failures in 1,000,000 miles
>> Same side has 2 failures in 1,000,000 miles
>>
>> Does anybody know the actual failure rate?
>>
>>
>> -- msosborn at msosborn dot com
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/