71 Restomod?

I have a 1971 coupe with a 302 2bbl, C-4 tranny. Very clean car from
Arizona. I have a 351 cleveland I plan on rebuilding and getting a new C-4
for it, after that I need some ideas on a Restomod for it. Any ideas? What
to do to the body, paint, rims, and tires?

Thanks Dean.

Dean wrote:

> I have a 1971 coupe with a 302 2bbl, C-4 tranny. Very clean car from
> Arizona. I have a 351 cleveland I plan on rebuilding and getting a new C-4
> for it, after that I need some ideas on a Restomod for it. Any ideas? What
> to do to the body, paint, rims, and tires?
>
> Thanks Dean.

Unless you are really into Clevelands for the uniqueness or how pretty
they are all dressed up, you will get a lot more engine for your dollar
with a Windsor build-up.

Rob

I disagree, a Cleveland that he owns will give more bang for buck than
any Windsor could.

If it's a 4v, get the port plates from MPG Head Service
http://www.mpgheads.com/

If it's a 2v, get some Aussie 2v's, possibly from Power Heads
http://www.powerheads.com/351c.html Or if it's a 4v, go this route as
well.

If you want aftermarket aluminum heads, go with CHI 2v or "3v's"
http://www.chiheads.com/main.html

Or you can take your iron 4v or 2v heads and make them flow not far off
the cfm rates of most aftermarket Windsor heads, for the price of a
die grinder and some sandpaper rolls.

As far as the restomod stuff, lowering is the main thing. Get some
high rate (620 lb/in) coils and cut them if need be, get some high rate
rear leafs and if they need lowering you take a leaf off your OE
springs and bolt it on upside down on the new leafs.

Get some Bilstein shocks.

Tires, I'm not sure what size to get for a '71, but here's the place
to get the chart to tell you: http://www.dodgestang.com/mustang.htm

Rims, 17 or 18 inch. I like Raceline GT's, go with the polished ones
b/c I've already got the powdercoated ones and you don't want to be a
copycat. http://mustangracing.mrt-direct.com/...acelinebig.jpg

If you prefer 5-spokes get Boyd Smoothie 2's:
http://www.mustangdepot.com/OnLineCa...thie5LARGE.jpg

UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD YOU GET AMERICAN RACING TORQUE THRUST
II'S OR D'S. OR ANY OF THEIR CLONES. I will hunt you down and kill
you if you do.

If you've got major budget, get Team III AC III's with the half polish,
the spinners, and the lugnut covers
http://www.team3wheels.com/ac/images/17ACHP.jpg

With the big rims you've gotta have some big brakes. 13" Baer Claws or
Stainless Steel Brakes Force 10.

Follow my advice and you have just added $10,000 of stuff to a $5000
'71 Mustang. In other words, welcome to the club.

180 Out

On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 20:21:54 -0400, "Dean" >
wrote:

>I have a 1971 coupe with a 302 2bbl, C-4 tranny. Very clean car from
>Arizona. I have a 351 cleveland I plan on rebuilding and getting a new C-4
>for it, after that I need some ideas on a Restomod for it. Any ideas? What
>to do to the body, paint, rims, and tires?
>
> Thanks Dean.
>
How do you plan to use the car? That might make some differences in
the direction you go. For example, if you're hitting the highways and
byways, you might want to think AOD instead of the C4. Fuel prices
being what they are, you might also consider EFI for the open road.
My old 72 was white with blue hood panels and red pinstripes. I'd say
scan some pictures for color schemes and compare. If you are
considering show, now that Restomod shows are popping up, you might
check out what each category restriction is and see how far you want
to take it.
Spike
1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior; Vintage 40
16" rims w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A gForce Radial
225/50ZR16 KDWS skins; surround sound audio-video.
Feb 2004 - http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/003_May_21_3004.jpg
Feb 2004 - http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/005_May_21_2004.jpg
Jul 2005 - http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/d..._11_05_002.jpg
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wrote:

> I disagree, a Cleveland that he owns will give more bang for buck than
> any Windsor could.
>

I missed the part about his already having the engine... but he already
has the Windsor, too, already in the car, and he will spend a lot less
on a 331/347 stroker than working entirely through a Cleveland hop-up.

Rob

trainfan1 wrote:
> wrote:
>
>> I disagree, a Cleveland that he owns will give more bang for buck than
>> any Windsor could.
>>
>
> I missed the part about his already having the engine... but he already
> has the Windsor, too, already in the car, and he will spend a lot less
> on a 331/347 stroker than working entirely through a Cleveland hop-up.
>
> Rob


It's usually a bit more cost effective working on a windsor because the
parts for the cleveland engines are more expensive.

> trainfan1 wrote:
>> wrote:

>>> I disagree, a Cleveland that he owns will give more bang for buck than
>>> any Windsor could.

>> I missed the part about his already having the engine... but he already
>> has the Windsor, too, already in the car, and he will spend a lot less
>> on a 331/347 stroker than working entirely through a Cleveland hop-up.

>> Rob

> It's usually a bit more cost effective working on a windsor because the
> parts for the cleveland engines are more expensive.

I agree in general. But a 331 or 347 stroker Challenger engine does
not have the potential of a 351 Cleveland, much less a 393 stroker
Cleveland. The Cleveland's larger valves and the unshrouding they
enjoy with the splayed layout are advantages a Challenger lacks. In
more familiar terms it's like comparing a 385 series 429 to an FE 428
or a 454 Chevy to a 455 Pontiac or Buick. All else being equal, the
advantage goes to the splayed valve heads, every time.

As far as cost, Coast High Performance offers a 393 kit for the Cleve
with steel crank, forged pistons and forged rods for $1600, and a 347
kit for the Challenger with similar components for $900. So you save
$700. But consider this, that even at a mild 1 hp/ci, that extra $700
invested in the 393 Cleveland is giving you 46 more hp than the 347
Challenger, and more torque everywhere. So the fair comparison is,
what would it take to get that additional 46 hp and that additional
torque everywhere, out of the 347? 1.13 hp/ci out of a Challenger will
definitely require a $1200 set of aftermarket heads, and evening out
the torque difference will probably require a supercharger. Yet the
Cleveland can easily make the 393 hp with the factory heads, 2v or 4v.

And if we skip the stroker kit for the Cleve, it's now $900 ahead of
the stock iron-headed 347 Challenger. Sinking that $900 into some of
those Power Head CNC ported Aussie 2v heads will definitely put the
Cleveland out front of the stock iron-headed 437 ($1075 complete
http://www.powerheads.com/351c.html ).

Oh, and by the way, I checked out the '71-'73 wheel and tire chart
that I linked to in my earlier post, and I gotta say it does not have a
lot of examples. So if you're checking that chart, check the '69-'70's
too. Anything that will fit in a '70 will definitely fit in a '71.

180 Out

WTF is a 'challenger' engine? Afraid to mention they (the majority
anyways) were cast in Windsor, Ontario, CANADA?

wrote:

>>trainfan1 wrote:
>>
wrote:
>
>
>>>>I disagree, a Cleveland that he owns will give more bang for buck than
>>>>any Windsor could.
>
>
>>>I missed the part about his already having the engine... but he already
>>>has the Windsor, too, already in the car, and he will spend a lot less
>>>on a 331/347 stroker than working entirely through a Cleveland hop-up.
>
>
>>>Rob
>
>
>>It's usually a bit more cost effective working on a windsor because the
>>parts for the cleveland engines are more expensive.
>
>
> I agree in general. But a 331 or 347 stroker Challenger engine does
> not have the potential of a 351 Cleveland, much less a 393 stroker
> Cleveland. The Cleveland's larger valves and the unshrouding they
> enjoy with the splayed layout are advantages a Challenger lacks. In
> more familiar terms it's like comparing a 385 series 429 to an FE 428
> or a 454 Chevy to a 455 Pontiac or Buick. All else being equal, the
> advantage goes to the splayed valve heads, every time.
>
> As far as cost, Coast High Performance offers a 393 kit for the Cleve
> with steel crank, forged pistons and forged rods for $1600, and a 347
> kit for the Challenger with similar components for $900. So you save
> $700. But consider this, that even at a mild 1 hp/ci, that extra $700
> invested in the 393 Cleveland is giving you 46 more hp than the 347
> Challenger, and more torque everywhere. So the fair comparison is,
> what would it take to get that additional 46 hp and that additional
> torque everywhere, out of the 347? 1.13 hp/ci out of a Challenger will
> definitely require a $1200 set of aftermarket heads, and evening out
> the torque difference will probably require a supercharger. Yet the
> Cleveland can easily make the 393 hp with the factory heads, 2v or 4v.
>
> And if we skip the stroker kit for the Cleve, it's now $900 ahead of
> the stock iron-headed 347 Challenger. Sinking that $900 into some of
> those Power Head CNC ported Aussie 2v heads will definitely put the
> Cleveland out front of the stock iron-headed 437 ($1075 complete
> http://www.powerheads.com/351c.html ).
>
> Oh, and by the way, I checked out the '71-'73 wheel and tire chart
> that I linked to in my earlier post, and I gotta say it does not have a
> lot of examples. So if you're checking that chart, check the '69-'70's
> too. Anything that will fit in a '70 will definitely fit in a '71.
>
> 180 Out
>

> wrote in message ...
>
> WTF is a 'challenger' engine? Afraid to mention they (the majority
> anyways) were cast in Windsor, Ontario, CANADA?

Exactly. Other than a possible name brand, the only other names I've heard
similar to that were the Commando and Super Commando 383's from MoPar.
--
Scott W.
'66 HCS Mustang 289
'68 Ranchero 500 302
'69 Mustang Sportsroof 351W
ThunderSnake #57
http://home.comcast.net/~vanguard92/

On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 02:37:37 GMT, " >
wrote:

>
> WTF is a 'challenger' engine? Afraid to mention they (the majority
>anyways) were cast in Windsor, Ontario, CANADA?

Hmmmmmm Perhaps Mexican competition to Canada's Windsors? : 0 )
Or perhaps one of the many building/rebuilding companies like
Evergreen which supplied Kragen and some others....
>
wrote:
>
>>>trainfan1 wrote:
>>>
wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>I disagree, a Cleveland that he owns will give more bang for buck than
>>>>>any Windsor could.
>>
>>
>>>>I missed the part about his already having the engine... but he already
>>>>has the Windsor, too, already in the car, and he will spend a lot less
>>>>on a 331/347 stroker than working entirely through a Cleveland hop-up.
>>
>>
>>>>Rob
>>
>>
>>>It's usually a bit more cost effective working on a windsor because the
>>>parts for the cleveland engines are more expensive.
>>
>>
>> I agree in general. But a 331 or 347 stroker Challenger engine does
>> not have the potential of a 351 Cleveland, much less a 393 stroker
>> Cleveland. The Cleveland's larger valves and the unshrouding they
>> enjoy with the splayed layout are advantages a Challenger lacks. In
>> more familiar terms it's like comparing a 385 series 429 to an FE 428
>> or a 454 Chevy to a 455 Pontiac or Buick. All else being equal, the
>> advantage goes to the splayed valve heads, every time.
>>
>> As far as cost, Coast High Performance offers a 393 kit for the Cleve
>> with steel crank, forged pistons and forged rods for $1600, and a 347
>> kit for the Challenger with similar components for $900. So you save
>> $700. But consider this, that even at a mild 1 hp/ci, that extra $700
>> invested in the 393 Cleveland is giving you 46 more hp than the 347
>> Challenger, and more torque everywhere. So the fair comparison is,
>> what would it take to get that additional 46 hp and that additional
>> torque everywhere, out of the 347? 1.13 hp/ci out of a Challenger will
>> definitely require a $1200 set of aftermarket heads, and evening out
>> the torque difference will probably require a supercharger. Yet the
>> Cleveland can easily make the 393 hp with the factory heads, 2v or 4v.
>>
>> And if we skip the stroker kit for the Cleve, it's now $900 ahead of
>> the stock iron-headed 347 Challenger. Sinking that $900 into some of
>> those Power Head CNC ported Aussie 2v heads will definitely put the
>> Cleveland out front of the stock iron-headed 437 ($1075 complete
>> http://www.powerheads.com/351c.html ).
>>
>> Oh, and by the way, I checked out the '71-'73 wheel and tire chart
>> that I linked to in my earlier post, and I gotta say it does not have a
>> lot of examples. So if you're checking that chart, check the '69-'70's
>> too. Anything that will fit in a '70 will definitely fit in a '71.
>>
>> 180 Out
>>
Spike
1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy
w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok;
Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich
gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound
audio-video...
See my ride at....
Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/003_May_21_3004.jpg
Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/005_May_21_2004.jpg
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