Bang for the Buck?

Fastest lap times for cars tested by Top Gear:

http://www.topgear.com/content/tgonb...times/thestig/
Price MPG
================================================== ================
1 Koenigsegg CCX (with TG spoiler) 1.17.6 $722,534 + 8/11
2 Pagani Zonda F 1.18.4 $741,000 NA
3 Maserati MC12 1.18.9 $425,000 NA
4 Ferrari Enzo 1.19.0 $1,000,000 8/12
5 Ariel Atom 1.19.5 $45,000 ? NA
6 Porsche Carrera GT 1.19.8 $484,000 9/15
7 Koenigsegg CCX 1.20.4 $722,534 8/11
8 Ascari KZ1 1.20.7 $400,000 NA
9 Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren 1.20.9 $450,000 13/18
10 Ford GT 1.21.9 $150,000 12/19
11 Porsche GT3 RS 1.22.3 $176,690 NA
12 Ferrari 360 CS 1.22.3 $266,000 10/16
13 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 1.22.4 $77,000 16/26
14 Lamborghini Murcielago 1.23.7 $288,000 9/13
15 Pagani Zonda 1.23.8 $350,000 NA
16 Noble M15 1.23.9 $150,000 NA
17 Koenigsegg 1.23.9 $650,000 8/11
18 Prodrive P2 1.24.3 Concept NA
19 TVR Sagaris 1.24.6 $118,000 NA
20 TVR Tuscan 1.24.8 $92,000 NA
21 Mitsubishi Evo FQ 400 1.24.8 $94,000 NA
22 Noble 1.25.0 ??
23 Lotus Exige S 1.25.1 $115,000 23/39
24 Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder 1.25.7 $175,000 11/17
25 Lamborghini Gallardo 1.25.8 $195,000 11/17

The data speaks for itself. Of course, you have to toss out the
Ariel. It's hardly street legal.

If you don't trust a stupid TV show, the top lap times at Nürburgring
tell pretty much the same story.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordsch...test_lap_times

On Jul 23, 9:50 pm, McHoogilan > wrote:
> Fastest lap times for cars tested by Top Gear:
>
> http://www.topgear.com/content/tgonb...times/thestig/
> Price MPG
> ================================================== ================
> 1 Koenigsegg CCX (with TG spoiler) 1.17.6 $722,534 + 8/11
> 2 Pagani Zonda F 1.18.4 $741,000 NA
> 3 Maserati MC12 1.18.9 $425,000 NA
> 4 Ferrari Enzo 1.19.0 $1,000,000 8/12
> 5 Ariel Atom 1.19.5 $45,000 ? NA
> 6 Porsche Carrera GT 1.19.8 $484,000 9/15
> 7 Koenigsegg CCX 1.20.4 $722,534 8/11
> 8 Ascari KZ1 1.20.7 $400,000 NA
> 9 Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren 1.20.9 $450,000 13/18
> 10 Ford GT 1.21.9 $150,000 12/19
> 11 Porsche GT3 RS 1.22.3 $176,690 NA
> 12 Ferrari 360 CS 1.22.3 $266,000 10/16
> 13 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 1.22.4 $77,000 16/26
> 14 Lamborghini Murcielago 1.23.7 $288,000 9/13
> 15 Pagani Zonda 1.23.8 $350,000 NA
> 16 Noble M15 1.23.9 $150,000 NA
> 17 Koenigsegg 1.23.9 $650,000 8/11
> 18 Prodrive P2 1.24.3 Concept NA
> 19 TVR Sagaris 1.24.6 $118,000 NA
> 20 TVR Tuscan 1.24.8 $92,000 NA
> 21 Mitsubishi Evo FQ 400 1.24.8 $94,000 NA
> 22 Noble 1.25.0 ??
> 23 Lotus Exige S 1.25.1 $115,000 23/39
> 24 Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder 1.25.7 $175,000 11/17
> 25 Lamborghini Gallardo 1.25.8 $195,000 11/17
>
> The data speaks for itself. Of course, you have to toss out the
> Ariel. It's hardly street legal.
>
> If you don't trust a stupid TV show, the top lap times at Nürburgring
> tell pretty much the same story.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordsch...test_lap_times

On Jul 23, 9:50 pm, McHoogilan > wrote:
> Fastest lap times for cars tested by Top Gear:
>
> http://www.topgear.com/content/tgonb...times/thestig/
> Price MPG
> ================================================== ================
> 1 Koenigsegg CCX (with TG spoiler) 1.17.6 $722,534 + 8/11
> 2 Pagani Zonda F 1.18.4 $741,000 NA
> 3 Maserati MC12 1.18.9 $425,000 NA
> 4 Ferrari Enzo 1.19.0 $1,000,000 8/12
> 5 Ariel Atom 1.19.5 $45,000 ? NA
> 6 Porsche Carrera GT 1.19.8 $484,000 9/15
> 7 Koenigsegg CCX 1.20.4 $722,534 8/11
> 8 Ascari KZ1 1.20.7 $400,000 NA
> 9 Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren 1.20.9 $450,000 13/18
> 10 Ford GT 1.21.9 $150,000 12/19
> 11 Porsche GT3 RS 1.22.3 $176,690 NA
> 12 Ferrari 360 CS 1.22.3 $266,000 10/16
> 13 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 1.22.4 $77,000 16/26
> 14 Lamborghini Murcielago 1.23.7 $288,000 9/13
> 15 Pagani Zonda 1.23.8 $350,000 NA
> 16 Noble M15 1.23.9 $150,000 NA
> 17 Koenigsegg 1.23.9 $650,000 8/11
> 18 Prodrive P2 1.24.3 Concept NA
> 19 TVR Sagaris 1.24.6 $118,000 NA
> 20 TVR Tuscan 1.24.8 $92,000 NA
> 21 Mitsubishi Evo FQ 400 1.24.8 $94,000 NA
> 22 Noble 1.25.0 ??
> 23 Lotus Exige S 1.25.1 $115,000 23/39
> 24 Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder 1.25.7 $175,000 11/17
> 25 Lamborghini Gallardo 1.25.8 $195,000 11/17
>
> The data speaks for itself. Of course, you have to toss out the
> Ariel. It's hardly street legal.
>
> If you don't trust a stupid TV show, the top lap times at Nürburgring
> tell pretty much the same story.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordsch...test_lap_times

That's because they've never tested cars like the HPA GOLF R32 which
could get a time of around 1:18 flat for $54,000, the EIP Stage 4 Golf
R32 which would do it in about 1:16 and change for $?
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/c...54009823d1.htm
and the Nissan GTR which would get a time of about 1:10 flat for
$70,000.
That also seems like a VERY OLD list as the Evo 9 FQ400 DESTORYED both
the C6 Corvette ZO6.
They only have stats for the EVO8 FQ400, on there not the EVO 9.

Jeremy Clarkson actually drove the Evo 9 FQ400 against a professional
racer driving a Lamborghini Murcielago
and Jeremy won.

The Nissan GTR is WITHOUT EQUAL in the bang for the buck category, it
has 2 million dollar car performance on the track for 70k.

On Jul 23, 9:50 pm, McHoogilan > wrote:
> Fastest lap times for cars tested by Top Gear:
>
> http://www.topgear.com/content/tgonb...times/thestig/
> Price MPG
> ================================================== ================
> 1 Koenigsegg CCX (with TG spoiler) 1.17.6 $722,534 + 8/11
> 2 Pagani Zonda F 1.18.4 $741,000 NA
> 3 Maserati MC12 1.18.9 $425,000 NA
> 4 Ferrari Enzo 1.19.0 $1,000,000 8/12
> 5 Ariel Atom 1.19.5 $45,000 ? NA
> 6 Porsche Carrera GT 1.19.8 $484,000 9/15
> 7 Koenigsegg CCX 1.20.4 $722,534 8/11
> 8 Ascari KZ1 1.20.7 $400,000 NA
> 9 Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren 1.20.9 $450,000 13/18
> 10 Ford GT 1.21.9 $150,000 12/19
> 11 Porsche GT3 RS 1.22.3 $176,690 NA
> 12 Ferrari 360 CS 1.22.3 $266,000 10/16
> 13 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 1.22.4 $77,000 16/26
> 14 Lamborghini Murcielago 1.23.7 $288,000 9/13
> 15 Pagani Zonda 1.23.8 $350,000 NA
> 16 Noble M15 1.23.9 $150,000 NA
> 17 Koenigsegg 1.23.9 $650,000 8/11
> 18 Prodrive P2 1.24.3 Concept NA
> 19 TVR Sagaris 1.24.6 $118,000 NA
> 20 TVR Tuscan 1.24.8 $92,000 NA
> 21 Mitsubishi Evo FQ 400 1.24.8 $94,000 NA
> 22 Noble 1.25.0 ??
> 23 Lotus Exige S 1.25.1 $115,000 23/39
> 24 Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder 1.25.7 $175,000 11/17
> 25 Lamborghini Gallardo 1.25.8 $195,000 11/17
>
> The data speaks for itself. Of course, you have to toss out the
> Ariel. It's hardly street legal.
>
> If you don't trust a stupid TV show, the top lap times at Nürburgring
> tell pretty much the same story.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordsch...test_lap_times

Also, on a big OVAL track, a standing mile or a run in Bonniville, the
Bugatti Veyron, Mclaren F1, and Koenigsegg CCX, would DESTROY the
other cars by a VERY LARGE margin.

I did see the Pa****t

--
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(¯`'..(<>..<>)..'´¯)

"McHoogilan" > wrote in message
...
> Fastest lap times for cars tested by Top Gear:
>
> http://www.topgear.com/content/tgonb...times/thestig/
> Price MPG
> ================================================== ================
> 1 Koenigsegg CCX (with TG spoiler) 1.17.6 $722,534 + 8/11
> 2 Pagani Zonda F 1.18.4 $741,000 NA
> 3 Maserati MC12 1.18.9 $425,000 NA
> 4 Ferrari Enzo 1.19.0 $1,000,000 8/12
> 5 Ariel Atom 1.19.5 $45,000 ? NA
> 6 Porsche Carrera GT 1.19.8 $484,000 9/15
> 7 Koenigsegg CCX 1.20.4 $722,534 8/11
> 8 Ascari KZ1 1.20.7 $400,000 NA
> 9 Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren 1.20.9 $450,000 13/18
> 10 Ford GT 1.21.9 $150,000 12/19
> 11 Porsche GT3 RS 1.22.3 $176,690 NA
> 12 Ferrari 360 CS 1.22.3 $266,000 10/16
> 13 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 1.22.4 $77,000 16/26
> 14 Lamborghini Murcielago 1.23.7 $288,000 9/13
> 15 Pagani Zonda 1.23.8 $350,000 NA
> 16 Noble M15 1.23.9 $150,000 NA
> 17 Koenigsegg 1.23.9 $650,000 8/11
> 18 Prodrive P2 1.24.3 Concept NA
> 19 TVR Sagaris 1.24.6 $118,000 NA
> 20 TVR Tuscan 1.24.8 $92,000 NA
> 21 Mitsubishi Evo FQ 400 1.24.8 $94,000 NA
> 22 Noble 1.25.0 ??
> 23 Lotus Exige S 1.25.1 $115,000 23/39
> 24 Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder 1.25.7 $175,000 11/17
> 25 Lamborghini Gallardo 1.25.8 $195,000 11/17
>
> The data speaks for itself. Of course, you have to toss out the
> Ariel. It's hardly street legal.
>
> If you don't trust a stupid TV show, the top lap times at Nürburgring
> tell pretty much the same story.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordsch...test_lap_times
>

Ofcourse not, Passats are meant to be driven fast on Highways, not the
track.
Passats have among the best horsepower to weight ratio of any midsize
cars in existence.

A 4000lbs 270bhp Passat W8 can do 174 MPH, but even a 2700lbs 270bhp
First Generation Acura NSX can only do 168 MPH.


It's the 0.27 drag coefficient and perfect 6th gear ratio and final
drive ratio that the Passat has, it actually makes a bigger difference
than the 1300lbs weight difference. Besides to drive really fast, a
car should be heavy like the Bugatti Veyron or else it could become
airborne from a gust of wind.

A 411 bhp Passat W8 with supercharger can do 200mph. That is among the
best horsepower to top speed ratios out there. It's not just the W8
though, ALL Passats have great horsepower to top speed ratios.
The 150bhp 1998 Passat B5 1.8T has a top speed of 143 MPH, and the
2002 170bhp Passat 1.8T has a top speed of 155.3MPH which is better
than a WRX STI with 300bhp.

Corvettes on the other hand are some of the most inefficient cars at
converting horsepower into top speed.
Even with 405 bhp a C5 Z06 can only manage 172 MPH drag limited.
Corvettes can't even break 200 MPH with 505 BHP, while a Passat can do
it with just 411 bhp.









On Jul 23, 11:15 pm, ZÿRiX > wrote:
> I did see the Pa****t
>
> --
> ZÿRiX
> (¯`'..(<>..<>)..'´¯)
>
> "McHoogilan" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > Fastest lap times for cars tested by Top Gear:
>
> >http://www.topgear.com/content/tgonb...times/thestig/
> > Price MPG
> > ================================================== ================
> > 1 Koenigsegg CCX (with TG spoiler) 1.17.6 $722,534 + 8/11
> > 2 Pagani Zonda F 1.18.4 $741,000 NA
> > 3 Maserati MC12 1.18.9 $425,000 NA
> > 4 Ferrari Enzo 1.19.0 $1,000,000 8/12
> > 5 Ariel Atom 1.19.5 $45,000 ? NA
> > 6 Porsche Carrera GT 1.19.8 $484,000 9/15
> > 7 Koenigsegg CCX 1.20.4 $722,534 8/11
> > 8 Ascari KZ1 1.20.7 $400,000 NA
> > 9 Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren 1.20.9 $450,000 13/18
> > 10 Ford GT 1.21.9 $150,000 12/19
> > 11 Porsche GT3 RS 1.22.3 $176,690 NA
> > 12 Ferrari 360 CS 1.22.3 $266,000 10/16
> > 13 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 1.22.4 $77,000 16/26
> > 14 Lamborghini Murcielago 1.23.7 $288,000 9/13
> > 15 Pagani Zonda 1.23.8 $350,000 NA
> > 16 Noble M15 1.23.9 $150,000 NA
> > 17 Koenigsegg 1.23.9 $650,000 8/11
> > 18 Prodrive P2 1.24.3 Concept NA
> > 19 TVR Sagaris 1.24.6 $118,000 NA
> > 20 TVR Tuscan 1.24.8 $92,000 NA
> > 21 Mitsubishi Evo FQ 400 1.24.8 $94,000 NA
> > 22 Noble 1.25.0 ??
> > 23 Lotus Exige S 1.25.1 $115,000 23/39
> > 24 Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder 1.25.7 $175,000 11/17
> > 25 Lamborghini Gallardo 1.25.8 $195,000 11/17
>
> > The data speaks for itself. Of course, you have to toss out the
> > Ariel. It's hardly street legal.
>
> > If you don't trust a stupid TV show, the top lap times at Nürburgring
> > tell pretty much the same story.
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordsch...est_lap_times- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Or should I say I did not see the Pashatt...
>
> --
> ZÿRiX
> (¯`'..(<>..<>)..'´¯)
>
> "McHoogilan" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Fastest lap times for cars tested by Top Gear:
>>
>> http://www.topgear.com/content/tgonb...times/thestig/
>> Price MPG
>> ================================================== ================
>> 1 Koenigsegg CCX (with TG spoiler) 1.17.6 $722,534 + 8/11
>> 2 Pagani Zonda F 1.18.4 $741,000 NA
>> 3 Maserati MC12 1.18.9 $425,000 NA
>> 4 Ferrari Enzo 1.19.0 $1,000,000 8/12
>> 5 Ariel Atom 1.19.5 $45,000 ? NA
>> 6 Porsche Carrera GT 1.19.8 $484,000 9/15
>> 7 Koenigsegg CCX 1.20.4 $722,534 8/11
>> 8 Ascari KZ1 1.20.7 $400,000 NA
>> 9 Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren 1.20.9 $450,000 13/18
>> 10 Ford GT 1.21.9 $150,000 12/19
>> 11 Porsche GT3 RS 1.22.3 $176,690 NA
>> 12 Ferrari 360 CS 1.22.3 $266,000 10/16
>> 13 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 1.22.4 $77,000 16/26
>> 14 Lamborghini Murcielago 1.23.7 $288,000 9/13
>> 15 Pagani Zonda 1.23.8 $350,000 NA
>> 16 Noble M15 1.23.9 $150,000 NA
>> 17 Koenigsegg 1.23.9 $650,000 8/11
>> 18 Prodrive P2 1.24.3 Concept NA
>> 19 TVR Sagaris 1.24.6 $118,000 NA
>> 20 TVR Tuscan 1.24.8 $92,000 NA
>> 21 Mitsubishi Evo FQ 400 1.24.8 $94,000 NA
>> 22 Noble 1.25.0 ??
>> 23 Lotus Exige S 1.25.1 $115,000 23/39
>> 24 Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder 1.25.7 $175,000 11/17
>> 25 Lamborghini Gallardo 1.25.8 $195,000 11/17
>>
>> The data speaks for itself. Of course, you have to toss out the
>> Ariel. It's hardly street legal.
>>
>> If you don't trust a stupid TV show, the top lap times at Nürburgring
>> tell pretty much the same story.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordsch...test_lap_times
>>
>

>
> Or should I say I did not see the Pashatt...
>>


Me thinks it's a BUG.

Now Sal, go to bed. You stay up too late getting stoned and looking at
UTube and wanking to VDub web sites. You'll miss the bus to school in the
morning dreaming of owning a new red Z06.

http://www.motortrend.com/features/c...z06/index.html

Why would anyone buy a $70,000 car that can't even do 200MPH when even
4 year old $54,000 cars like the HPA Golf R32 have been doing WELL
over 200MPH easily?

On Jul 24, 7:22 pm, "Spud" > wrote:
> > Or should I say I did not see the Pashatt...
>
> Me thinks it's a BUG.
>
> Now Sal, go to bed. You stay up too late getting stoned and looking at
> UTube and wanking to VDub web sites. You'll miss the bus to school in the
> morning dreaming of owning a new red Z06.
>
> http://www.motortrend.com/features/c...06_corvette_z0...

> Why would anyone buy a $70,000 car that can't even do 200MPH when even
> 4 year old $54,000 cars like the HPA Golf R32 have been doing WELL
> over 200MPH easily?
>
Go to bed son. You'll be flipping burgers at Micky Dees the rest of your
life.