The Nation's Worst Drivers

My family has been here since before there were cars. (My
grandmother's first ride in an auto was in a Stutz Bearcat back when
the wagon road was paved with logs.) From what I hear, traffic was bad
back then because the roads were one lane wide, mostly unpaved mud or
dirt ruts, and used by wagons, carriages, horseback riders, hand
carts, and, in time, the first cars. Heaven forbid you should meet
someone on one of the twisting mountain roads as they were then.
Somebody had to backup quite a ways.

On Mon, 30 May 2005 12:23:49 -0400, "Michael Johnson, PE"
> wrote:

>ZombyWoof wrote:
>> On Sun, 29 May 2005 19:30:54 -0400, "Michael Johnson, PE"
>> > wrote something wonderfully witty:
>> <snip>
>>
>>>>I think that everybody pretty much thinks the drivers in their own
>>>>state are the worst. What this _really_ says is that U.S. drivers in
>>>>general are horrible.
>>>
>>>Exactly. I can count the number of people I know in Northern Virginia
>>>that was born and raised here on two hands. I bet 75% of us are
>>>transplants that brought the traffic mess with us. It's probably the
>>>same in many other areas.
>>>
>>
>> Well I am in the Hampton Roads area and with the extremely large
>> Military presence here that is definitely part of it. Still sucks.
>
>I find it ironic how people who moved here will complain about traffic
>as if it is not their fault. When I point out that traffic is bad
>because of people just like them they either can't see the point or do
>get it and stop complaining as much. It doesn't matter if you moved
>here yesterday or 20 years ago, you're still part of the reason traffic
>is horrible. It's amazing how many people think THEY have a right to
>move anywhere THEY please but once they're there they have the right to
>tell others to go elsewhere. Such is human nature, I guess.

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Then you have a right to complain.

Spike wrote:
> My family has been here since before there were cars. (My
> grandmother's first ride in an auto was in a Stutz Bearcat back when
> the wagon road was paved with logs.) From what I hear, traffic was bad
> back then because the roads were one lane wide, mostly unpaved mud or
> dirt ruts, and used by wagons, carriages, horseback riders, hand
> carts, and, in time, the first cars. Heaven forbid you should meet
> someone on one of the twisting mountain roads as they were then.
> Somebody had to backup quite a ways.
>
> On Mon, 30 May 2005 12:23:49 -0400, "Michael Johnson, PE"
> > wrote:
>
>
>>ZombyWoof wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 29 May 2005 19:30:54 -0400, "Michael Johnson, PE"
> wrote something wonderfully witty:
>>><snip>
>>>
>>>>>I think that everybody pretty much thinks the drivers in their own
>>>>>state are the worst. What this _really_ says is that U.S. drivers in
>>>>>general are horrible.
>>>>
>>>>Exactly. I can count the number of people I know in Northern Virginia
>>>>that was born and raised here on two hands. I bet 75% of us are
>>>>transplants that brought the traffic mess with us. It's probably the
>>>>same in many other areas.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Well I am in the Hampton Roads area and with the extremely large
>>>Military presence here that is definitely part of it. Still sucks.
>>
>>I find it ironic how people who moved here will complain about traffic
>>as if it is not their fault. When I point out that traffic is bad
>>because of people just like them they either can't see the point or do
>>get it and stop complaining as much. It doesn't matter if you moved
>>here yesterday or 20 years ago, you're still part of the reason traffic
>>is horrible. It's amazing how many people think THEY have a right to
>>move anywhere THEY please but once they're there they have the right to
>>tell others to go elsewhere. Such is human nature, I guess.
>
>
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I complain about it, but short of nuclear war bombing us back to the
stone age, you can't stop progress.... UNLESS there happens to be some
tiny little fish, or lizard, or bug, or bird, that someone thinks is
endangered....... then civilization comes to a complete stop.....

On Mon, 30 May 2005 17:57:03 -0400, "Michael Johnson, PE"
> wrote:

>Then you have a right to complain.
>
>Spike wrote:
>> My family has been here since before there were cars. (My
>> grandmother's first ride in an auto was in a Stutz Bearcat back when
>> the wagon road was paved with logs.) From what I hear, traffic was bad
>> back then because the roads were one lane wide, mostly unpaved mud or
>> dirt ruts, and used by wagons, carriages, horseback riders, hand
>> carts, and, in time, the first cars. Heaven forbid you should meet
>> someone on one of the twisting mountain roads as they were then.
>> Somebody had to backup quite a ways.
>>
>> On Mon, 30 May 2005 12:23:49 -0400, "Michael Johnson, PE"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>ZombyWoof wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 29 May 2005 19:30:54 -0400, "Michael Johnson, PE"
> wrote something wonderfully witty:
>>>><snip>
>>>>
>>>>>>I think that everybody pretty much thinks the drivers in their own
>>>>>>state are the worst. What this _really_ says is that U.S. drivers in
>>>>>>general are horrible.
>>>>>
>>>>>Exactly. I can count the number of people I know in Northern Virginia
>>>>>that was born and raised here on two hands. I bet 75% of us are
>>>>>transplants that brought the traffic mess with us. It's probably the
>>>>>same in many other areas.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Well I am in the Hampton Roads area and with the extremely large
>>>>Military presence here that is definitely part of it. Still sucks.
>>>
>>>I find it ironic how people who moved here will complain about traffic
>>>as if it is not their fault. When I point out that traffic is bad
>>>because of people just like them they either can't see the point or do
>>>get it and stop complaining as much. It doesn't matter if you moved
>>>here yesterday or 20 years ago, you're still part of the reason traffic
>>>is horrible. It's amazing how many people think THEY have a right to
>>>move anywhere THEY please but once they're there they have the right to
>>>tell others to go elsewhere. Such is human nature, I guess.
>>
>>
>> Hey! Spikey Likes IT!
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>> w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16

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