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Figuring Out How Much a Hybrid, Diesel, or Small Car Will Save Per Year



 
 
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Old October 19th 07, 03:00 PM posted to alt.autos.toyota.prius,alt.autos.toyota,alt.autos.honda,rec.autos.makers.honda,alt.energy.automobile
javawizard
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Default Figuring Out How Much a Hybrid, Diesel, or Small Car Will Save Per Year

There's a calculator at www.fast-math.org in which you can enter the
estimated mileage (or kilometerage) you drive per year, the mileage
your current car is getting, the mileage a proposed new car will get,
and it will show you how much money you can save. If you already have
a fuel-efficient car, you can have fun running as-ifs and after-the-
fact comparisons.
Take care,
- Jeff -

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Old October 19th 07, 03:48 PM posted to alt.autos.toyota.prius,alt.autos.toyota,alt.autos.honda,rec.autos.makers.honda,alt.energy.automobile
notaguru
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Default Figuring Out How Much a Hybrid, Diesel, or Small Car Will SavePer Year

My '04 Prius cost about $5,000 more than a comparable
non-hybrid, so I factored in the loss of income from
that money differential (we pay cash and keep cars until
they're not economical to fix). Also, there are
differences in maintenance. For example, my Prius may
never need a brake job...

And there's one more savings: time. In my driving
environment, I estimate that my HOV-lane access is worth
2.2 hours per month - and time is money. Those stickers
aren't available any longer, but mine are good till 2011
and I can guarantee that I'll keep this car at least
that long.

A great car!


javawizard wrote:
> There's a calculator at www.fast-math.org in which you can enter the
> estimated mileage (or kilometerage) you drive per year, the mileage
> your current car is getting, the mileage a proposed new car will get,
> and it will show you how much money you can save. If you already have
> a fuel-efficient car, you can have fun running as-ifs and after-the-
> fact comparisons.
> Take care,
> - Jeff -
>

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Old October 19th 07, 06:25 PM posted to alt.autos.toyota.prius,alt.autos.toyota,alt.autos.honda,rec.autos.makers.honda,alt.energy.automobile
EdV
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Default Figuring Out How Much a Hybrid, Diesel, or Small Car Will Save Per Year

On Oct 19, 10:48 am, notaguru > wrote:
> My '04 Prius cost about $5,000 more than a comparable
> non-hybrid, so I factored in the loss of income from
> that money differential (we pay cash and keep cars until
> they're not economical to fix). Also, there are
> differences in maintenance. For example, my Prius may
> never need a brake job...
>
> And there's one more savings: time. In my driving
> environment, I estimate that my HOV-lane access is worth
> 2.2 hours per month - and time is money. Those stickers
> aren't available any longer, but mine are good till 2011
> and I can guarantee that I'll keep this car at least
> that long.
>
> A great car!
>
> javawizard wrote:
> > There's a calculator atwww.fast-math.orgin which you can enter the
> > estimated mileage (or kilometerage) you drive per year, the mileage
> > your current car is getting, the mileage a proposed new car will get,
> > and it will show you how much money you can save. If you already have
> > a fuel-efficient car, you can have fun running as-ifs and after-the-
> > fact comparisons.
> > Take care,
> > - Jeff -


You cant put a price tag on saving the environment.

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Old October 19th 07, 07:41 PM posted to alt.autos.honda,rec.autos.makers.honda,alt.energy.automobile
Mike Hunter
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Default Figuring Out How Much a Hybrid, Diesel, or Small Car Will Save Per Year

I hope you figured out that 5k would have purchased ALL of the fuel one
would use in a Corolla for the first three of four years? Have you also
added into you calculations the $4,000 cost of replacing the batteries at
some point?

mike


"notaguru" > wrote in message
...
> My '04 Prius cost about $5,000 more than a comparable non-hybrid, so I
> factored in the loss of income from that money differential (we pay cash
> and keep cars until they're not economical to fix). Also, there are
> differences in maintenance. For example, my Prius may never need a brake
> job...
>
> And there's one more savings: time. In my driving environment, I estimate
> that my HOV-lane access is worth 2.2 hours per month - and time is money.
> Those stickers aren't available any longer, but mine are good till 2011
> and I can guarantee that I'll keep this car at least that long.
>
> A great car!
>
>
> javawizard wrote:
>> There's a calculator at www.fast-math.org in which you can enter the
>> estimated mileage (or kilometerage) you drive per year, the mileage
>> your current car is getting, the mileage a proposed new car will get,
>> and it will show you how much money you can save. If you already have
>> a fuel-efficient car, you can have fun running as-ifs and after-the-
>> fact comparisons.
>> Take care,
>> - Jeff -
>>



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Old October 19th 07, 07:48 PM posted to alt.autos.toyota.prius,alt.autos.honda,rec.autos.makers.honda,alt.energy.automobile
Mike Hunter
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Default Figuring Out How Much a Hybrid, Diesel, or Small Car Will Save Per Year

Thank goodness for all of you people that are willing to by hybrids. Not
only are you saving the world you are saving gasoline so there will be
enough gasoline for those can afford to own and drive the bigger safer RWD
V8 sporty and luxury cars we love LOL

mike

"EdV" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Oct 19, 10:48 am, notaguru > wrote:
>> My '04 Prius cost about $5,000 more than a comparable
>> non-hybrid, so I factored in the loss of income from
>> that money differential (we pay cash and keep cars until
>> they're not economical to fix). Also, there are
>> differences in maintenance. For example, my Prius may
>> never need a brake job...
>>
>> And there's one more savings: time. In my driving
>> environment, I estimate that my HOV-lane access is worth
>> 2.2 hours per month - and time is money. Those stickers
>> aren't available any longer, but mine are good till 2011
>> and I can guarantee that I'll keep this car at least
>> that long.
>>
>> A great car!
>>
>> javawizard wrote:
>> > There's a calculator atwww.fast-math.orgin which you can enter the
>> > estimated mileage (or kilometerage) you drive per year, the mileage
>> > your current car is getting, the mileage a proposed new car will get,
>> > and it will show you how much money you can save. If you already have
>> > a fuel-efficient car, you can have fun running as-ifs and after-the-
>> > fact comparisons.
>> > Take care,
>> > - Jeff -

>
> You cant put a price tag on saving the environment.
>



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Old October 20th 07, 12:08 AM posted to alt.autos.toyota.prius,alt.autos.honda,rec.autos.makers.honda,alt.energy.automobile
Gordon McGrew
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Default Figuring Out How Much a Hybrid, Diesel, or Small Car Will Save Per Year

On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:48:01 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
> wrote:

>Thank goodness for all of you people that are willing to by hybrids. Not
>only are you saving the world you are saving gasoline so there will be
>enough gasoline for those can afford to own and drive the bigger safer RWD
>V8 sporty and luxury cars we love LOL


Thank goodness Ford's SUV fetish is going to drive them out of
business.




>
>mike
>
>"EdV" > wrote in message
roups.com...
>> On Oct 19, 10:48 am, notaguru > wrote:
>>> My '04 Prius cost about $5,000 more than a comparable
>>> non-hybrid, so I factored in the loss of income from
>>> that money differential (we pay cash and keep cars until
>>> they're not economical to fix). Also, there are
>>> differences in maintenance. For example, my Prius may
>>> never need a brake job...
>>>
>>> And there's one more savings: time. In my driving
>>> environment, I estimate that my HOV-lane access is worth
>>> 2.2 hours per month - and time is money. Those stickers
>>> aren't available any longer, but mine are good till 2011
>>> and I can guarantee that I'll keep this car at least
>>> that long.
>>>
>>> A great car!
>>>
>>> javawizard wrote:
>>> > There's a calculator atwww.fast-math.orgin which you can enter the
>>> > estimated mileage (or kilometerage) you drive per year, the mileage
>>> > your current car is getting, the mileage a proposed new car will get,
>>> > and it will show you how much money you can save. If you already have
>>> > a fuel-efficient car, you can have fun running as-ifs and after-the-
>>> > fact comparisons.
>>> > Take care,
>>> > - Jeff -

>>
>> You cant put a price tag on saving the environment.
>>

>

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Old October 20th 07, 12:22 AM posted to alt.autos.toyota.prius,alt.autos.toyota,alt.autos.honda,rec.autos.makers.honda,alt.energy.automobile
EdV
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Default Figuring Out How Much a Hybrid, Diesel, or Small Car Will Save Per Year

On Oct 19, 3:27 pm, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" >
wrote:
> In article .com>,
>
> EdV > wrote:
> > You cant put a price tag on saving the environment.

>
> Yes, you can.
>
> Imagine that to preserve an appropriate and viable balance of people and
> food supply, that we have to eliminate the population of, say, Africa.
>
> We'd be saving the environment, right?


Well, not exactly what I had in mind, I was thinking more of hybrids
being able to reduce Carbon emissions and that you cant put a price on
that. That sort of stuff and no mass murder involved.

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Old October 20th 07, 12:35 AM posted to alt.autos.toyota.prius,alt.autos.toyota,alt.autos.honda,rec.autos.makers.honda,alt.energy.automobile
notaguru
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Default Figuring Out How Much a Hybrid, Diesel, or Small Car Will SavePer Year

Thinking further, the annual cost differential should
also include consideration of trade-in or sales value
when the time comes. I owned my early '04 for quite a
while before it depreciated even a dollar, and today,
after four years and a day, it can be sold for 80% of
what I paid for it in 10/03 (kbb.com).

In fact, since it has the desirable HOV stickers and is
in perfect condition, I might get more than that...
Astonishing!
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Old October 20th 07, 01:05 AM posted to alt.autos.toyota.prius,alt.autos.honda,rec.autos.makers.honda,alt.energy.automobile
Steven M. O'Neill
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Default Figuring Out How Much a Hybrid, Diesel, or Small Car Will Save Per Year

Mike Hunter > wrote:
>Thank goodness for all of you people that are willing to by hybrids. Not
>only are you saving the world you are saving gasoline so there will be
>enough gasoline for those can afford to own and drive the bigger safer RWD
>V8 sporty and luxury cars we love LOL


Not only that, but since automakers have to meet a "fleet
average" MPG, all buying a hybrid does is allow some other
person to buy a bigger monster truck and eat up the savings.

(Here's a memorable op-ed from last year on the topic:

David Leonhardt
Buy a Hybrid, and Save a Guzzler
Published: February 8, 2006
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/08/bu...leonhardt.html
registration may be required)

--
Steven O'Neill
Brooklyn, NY
http://www.panix.com/~steveo
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Old October 20th 07, 05:56 PM posted to alt.autos.toyota.prius,alt.autos.toyota,alt.autos.honda,rec.autos.makers.honda,alt.energy.automobile
EdV
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Default Figuring Out How Much a Hybrid, Diesel, or Small Car Will Save Per Year

On Oct 19, 7:55 pm, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" >
wrote:
> In article . com>,
>
> EdV > wrote:
> > > > You cant put a price tag on saving the environment.

>
> > > Yes, you can.

>
> > > Imagine that to preserve an appropriate and viable balance of people and
> > > food supply, that we have to eliminate the population of, say, Africa.

>
> > > We'd be saving the environment, right?

>
> > Well, not exactly what I had in mind, I was thinking more of hybrids
> > being able to reduce Carbon emissions and that you cant put a price on
> > that. That sort of stuff and no mass murder involved.

>
> Ah.
>
> Well, then, you CAN put a price tag on saving the environment, then.


You are right, there's a way to compute Carbon emission per kilometer
or something, Thanks for pointing that out. I'm not a hybrid owner. To
be honest I'm guilty too, do I want a keep my money and buy a less
expensive non hybrid car or do I my part to reduce carbon emission and
buy a hybrid. I kept my money.

 




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