Is This The Magic Battery?

On 2010-10-30, Dave Head > wrote:

> No, you don't. You pull into a fueling station and they remove your
> discharged battery and install a fully charged battery. The car will
> be made to allow this change to be performed rapidly.

And get stuck with someone else's damaged, defective, or near end of
life expensive battery pack?

On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 00:57:51 +0000 (UTC), Brent
> wrote:

>On 2010-10-30, Dave Head > wrote:
>
>> No, you don't. You pull into a fueling station and they remove your
>> discharged battery and install a fully charged battery. The car will
>> be made to allow this change to be performed rapidly.
>
>And get stuck with someone else's damaged, defective, or near end of
>life expensive battery pack?

So what? You don't own it, you're renting it.

On Oct 29, 6:59*am, Dave Head > wrote:
> http://www.caradvice.com.au/89483/au...cle-sets-600km...
>
> Maybe, if it doesn't cost a million dollars. *These guys have run a
> car for about 400 miles on a single battery charge at around 70 - 80
> mph. *That's awesome if true. *It could be America's way out of buying
> foreign oil, and greatly reducing ur operating costs.
>
> My Subaru WRX gets 25 mpg on a typical long trip. *A Chevy Volt goes
> 40 miles on a 10 KwH charge. *Around here, 10 KwH costs 62 1/2 cents.
> The WRX takes premium and costs about $4.72 to go 40 miles. *Big
> difference. *Maybe we have cheap transportation again? *CAFE
> standards? *Unncessary. *And we have absolutely oceans of domestic
> natural gas to build clean power generation for these cars.
>
> Just hope its real.

I frequently write on this topic, so I'll just give you
all the short version. The IC engine will absolutely and
totally be replaced by the electric motor, and this
includes...yes...aviation. There are already proof of
concept batteries, not yet in production, that will go
10 times further than the ones shown in this original
post. They contain no metal and have a higher energy
density than petroleum. These new batteries are
nano engineered, and self-assemble at the atomic
level.

Furthermore, we will be totally out of coal, oil, and
natural gas in 30 years when the world population
exceeds 9 billion people. Most animals will be
extinct by that time. The glaciers will have already
melted, and the rivers which come from them will
stop running, leaving billions of environmental
refugees to wander the globe with weapons as
the carrying capacity of earth is collapsing down
to one billion people.

---
Mark

On 2010-10-30, Dave Head > wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 00:57:51 +0000 (UTC), Brent
> wrote:
>
>>On 2010-10-30, Dave Head > wrote:
>>
>>> No, you don't. You pull into a fueling station and they remove your
>>> discharged battery and install a fully charged battery. The car will
>>> be made to allow this change to be performed rapidly.
>>
>>And get stuck with someone else's damaged, defective, or near end of
>>life expensive battery pack?
>
> So what? You don't own it, you're renting it.

So what? being stranded on the side of the road? The defective
battery damaging your car? The owner of the battery blaming you and
charging you for the damage to it? There's a whole a lot of hassle
there.

Plus you did pay for the original when you purchased the car. I don't
know about you but to me handing over an expensive battery pack I paid
for after 40 miles of use and getting some crappy beat up unit in
exchange that I won't even be considered of the owner of sounds like a
really crappy deal.

On 2010-10-30, Mark > wrote:

> I frequently write on this topic, so I'll just give you
> all the short version. The IC engine will absolutely and
> totally be replaced by the electric motor, and this
> includes...yes...aviation. There are already proof of
> concept batteries, not yet in production, that will go
> 10 times further than the ones shown in this original
> post. They contain no metal and have a higher energy
> density than petroleum. These new batteries are
> nano engineered, and self-assemble at the atomic
> level.

I agree eventually electric will win out, but that will be due to
exploiting other natural energy sources (think things like dark
energy, nuclear fusion, etc and so on), not batteries.

> Furthermore, we will be totally out of coal, oil, and
> natural gas in 30 years when the world population
> exceeds 9 billion people. Most animals will be
> extinct by that time. The glaciers will have already
> melted, and the rivers which come from them will
> stop running, leaving billions of environmental
> refugees to wander the globe with weapons as
> the carrying capacity of earth is collapsing down
> to one billion people.

We are already well past the doomsday dates that were set in the early
70s. That should be proof enough for anyone not to listen to such
scaremongering nonsense.

In article >,
Dave Head > wrote:
>http://www.caradvice.com.au/89483/au...charge-record/
>
>Maybe, if it doesn't cost a million dollars. These guys have run a
>car for about 400 miles on a single battery charge at around 70 - 80
>mph. That's awesome if true. It could be America's way out of buying
>foreign oil, and greatly reducing ur operating costs.

LiPos are great, but the problem of catching fire when they are
punctured likely means that a lot more weight (for various safety
measures) will be required in a production car. Further, LiPos have a
fairly short lifetime and can't be safely charged quickly.

--
The problem with socialism is there's always
someone with less ability and more need.

On 10/29/2010 6:59 AM, Dave Head wrote:
> http://www.caradvice.com.au/89483/au...charge-record/
>
> Maybe, if it doesn't cost a million dollars. These guys have run a
> car for about 400 miles on a single battery charge at around 70 - 80
> mph. That's awesome if true. It could be America's way out of buying
> foreign oil, and greatly reducing ur operating costs.
>
> My Subaru WRX gets 25 mpg on a typical long trip. A Chevy Volt goes
> 40 miles on a 10 KwH charge. Around here, 10 KwH costs 62 1/2 cents.
> The WRX takes premium and costs about $4.72 to go 40 miles. Big
> difference. Maybe we have cheap transportation again? CAFE
> standards? Unncessary. And we have absolutely oceans of domestic
> natural gas to build clean power generation for these cars.
>
> Just hope its real.
I wouldn't want to be in an accident sitting on top of a huge lithium
ion battery/bomb.

On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 02:51:14 GMT,
(Matthew Russotto) wrote:

>In article >,
>Dave Head > wrote:
>>http://www.caradvice.com.au/89483/au...charge-record/
>>
>>Maybe, if it doesn't cost a million dollars. These guys have run a
>>car for about 400 miles on a single battery charge at around 70 - 80
>>mph. That's awesome if true. It could be America's way out of buying
>>foreign oil, and greatly reducing ur operating costs.
>
>LiPos are great, but the problem of catching fire when they are
>punctured likely means that a lot more weight (for various safety
>measures)

I dunno, gas tanks have a nasty habit of catching fire when punctured
too. What's the difference?

>will be required in a production car. Further, LiPos have a
>fairly short lifetime and can't be safely charged quickly.

Not necessary to charge quickly. Just make them easy to remove and
replace from the vehicle. Charge them off line as fast as is
possible, but switch them out at a service station in a minute or so
for quick "refueling."

The longevity will need to be improved, tho.

On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 01:34:06 +0000 (UTC), Brent
> wrote:

>On 2010-10-30, Dave Head > wrote:
>> On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 00:57:51 +0000 (UTC), Brent
> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2010-10-30, Dave Head > wrote:
>>>
>>>> No, you don't. You pull into a fueling station and they remove your
>>>> discharged battery and install a fully charged battery. The car will
>>>> be made to allow this change to be performed rapidly.
>>>
>>>And get stuck with someone else's damaged, defective, or near end of
>>>life expensive battery pack?
>>
>> So what? You don't own it, you're renting it.
>
>So what? being stranded on the side of the road?

Naw, as soon as it is installed and goes thru the self-test, it will
be shown to have high-resistance cells, and you demand another
battery.

>The defective
>battery damaging your car?

Nope. All known battery fault possibilities will be defended against
by the "engine computer."

>The owner of the battery blaming you and
>charging you for the damage to it?

Don't think so. The only thing the battery needs is a circuit
breaker. If the company doesn't put one in the battery to defend it,
its their fault.

>There's a whole a lot of hassle
>there.

Only if you want to try to dream it up.

>Plus you did pay for the original when you purchased the car.

No, you didn't. You buy the car, you rent the battery.

>I don't
>know about you but to me handing over an expensive battery pack I paid
>for after 40 miles of use and getting some crappy beat up unit in
>exchange that I won't even be considered of the owner of sounds like a
>really crappy deal.

Naw, that's the beauty of renting / exchanging batteries. You never
own one. It fits the paradigm of always buying stuff that
appreciates, renting stuff that depreciates. (except of course you
bought the car itself, which is also going to depreciate. If we were
smart, we'd all lease our cars...)

On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 23:00:15 -0400, Lil Abner > wrote:

>On 10/29/2010 6:59 AM, Dave Head wrote:
>> http://www.caradvice.com.au/89483/au...charge-record/
>>
>> Maybe, if it doesn't cost a million dollars. These guys have run a
>> car for about 400 miles on a single battery charge at around 70 - 80
>> mph. That's awesome if true. It could be America's way out of buying
>> foreign oil, and greatly reducing ur operating costs.
>>
>> My Subaru WRX gets 25 mpg on a typical long trip. A Chevy Volt goes
>> 40 miles on a 10 KwH charge. Around here, 10 KwH costs 62 1/2 cents.
>> The WRX takes premium and costs about $4.72 to go 40 miles. Big
>> difference. Maybe we have cheap transportation again? CAFE
>> standards? Unncessary. And we have absolutely oceans of domestic
>> natural gas to build clean power generation for these cars.
>>
>> Just hope its real.
>I wouldn't want to be in an accident sitting on top of a huge lithium
>ion battery/bomb.

I don't much care for the idea of being in an accident and sitting on
top of a huge gasoline tank bomb, either. But that's what's in my
car... probably your car too.