**Civic shakes and turns left** (over 120km/h or 75mph)

I've just went for my major tune-up (maintenance) changing spark plugs,
checking brakes and oil change. After getting back my car (Honda Civic
hatchback 98) I noticed that the car while driving over the speed of 120km/h
(or 75mph) I can feel the steering wheel shake and the car wanting to "turn"
to the left... I'm thinking it could be just a alignment and everything
should be fine?

Also I was told that my front disc was almost finished and my break pads as
well, anyone have any good ideas for me to save some cash? (Should I buy
used, should I wait a little before changing?)

Thanks for every response (I had great help for my "Check Engine" light in
the Honda newsgroups!)

Jason

On 10/15/04 7:33 AM, in article
, "Jason"
> wrote:

> I've just went for my major tune-up (maintenance) changing spark plugs,
> checking brakes and oil change. After getting back my car (Honda Civic
> hatchback 98) I noticed that the car while driving over the speed of 120km/h
> (or 75mph) I can feel the steering wheel shake and the car wanting to "turn"
> to the left... I'm thinking it could be just a alignment and everything
> should be fine?

Did it shake before the tuneup? Did they rotate the tires? If it just
started this shaking after the tuneup and the tires were not changed, the
shake could be a misfire in the engine - which would mean they somehow
botched the tuneup. How smoothly does it idle? How is the acceleration
compared to before the tuneup?

If they did rotate the tires, then the shake could be a tire out of balance,
a tire failing or some suspension part has been damaged.

Pulling to one side can be caused by a failing tire (which could also
explain the shake), alignment, failing or damaged suspension component, or a
sticking brake caliper. Take a close look at the front left tire for bulges
or any variation in its shape - it could be in the process of coming apart.
>
> Also I was told that my front disc was almost finished and my break pads as
> well, anyone have any good ideas for me to save some cash? (Should I buy
> used, should I wait a little before changing?)

This could also explain your pull to the left, if the left caliper is
sticking or the pad is completely gone. Do you hear a metallic scraping
noise when you apply the brakes? The longer you wait, the more it will
cost, as the pads grind up the rotor. Also would greatly reduce your
ability to stop the car once the pads are completely gone.

You do not want used brake parts, but you can save some money if you buy the
rotors from someplace other than the Honda dealer.

>
> Thanks for every response (I had great help for my "Check Engine" light in
> the Honda newsgroups!)
>
> Jason
>
>

My car never would shake at 75mph! They did rotate the tires... The idling
is good but I've just noticed that the engine vibrates a little more than it
used to before the tune up. The acceleration seems to be normal but it's
definetely something with the tires... or the brake pads.

I'll be doing an alignment tomorrow and if that doesn't fix the problem, I
would bet the suspension would be the problem?

I can't hear any scraping of the breaks but I do break often and I think I'm
one of those "break-aholics"!! haha! I hope it I can wait a little before
changing the breaks because I'm broke after these latest fixes I had to do!

Thank you!

Jason

"E. Meyer" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/15/04 7:33 AM, in article
> , "Jason"
> > wrote:
>
>> I've just went for my major tune-up (maintenance) changing spark plugs,
>> checking brakes and oil change. After getting back my car (Honda Civic
>> hatchback 98) I noticed that the car while driving over the speed of
>> 120km/h
>> (or 75mph) I can feel the steering wheel shake and the car wanting to
>> "turn"
>> to the left... I'm thinking it could be just a alignment and everything
>> should be fine?
>
> Did it shake before the tuneup? Did they rotate the tires? If it just
> started this shaking after the tuneup and the tires were not changed, the
> shake could be a misfire in the engine - which would mean they somehow
> botched the tuneup. How smoothly does it idle? How is the acceleration
> compared to before the tuneup?
>
> If they did rotate the tires, then the shake could be a tire out of
> balance,
> a tire failing or some suspension part has been damaged.
>
> Pulling to one side can be caused by a failing tire (which could also
> explain the shake), alignment, failing or damaged suspension component, or
> a
> sticking brake caliper. Take a close look at the front left tire for
> bulges
> or any variation in its shape - it could be in the process of coming
> apart.
>>
>> Also I was told that my front disc was almost finished and my break pads
>> as
>> well, anyone have any good ideas for me to save some cash? (Should I buy
>> used, should I wait a little before changing?)
>
> This could also explain your pull to the left, if the left caliper is
> sticking or the pad is completely gone. Do you hear a metallic scraping
> noise when you apply the brakes? The longer you wait, the more it will
> cost, as the pads grind up the rotor. Also would greatly reduce your
> ability to stop the car once the pads are completely gone.
>
> You do not want used brake parts, but you can save some money if you buy
> the
> rotors from someplace other than the Honda dealer.
>
>>
>> Thanks for every response (I had great help for my "Check Engine" light
>> in
>> the Honda newsgroups!)
>>
>> Jason
>>
>>
>

"Jason" > wrote in message
...
> My car never would shake at 75mph! They did rotate the tires... The idling
> is good but I've just noticed that the engine vibrates a little more than
it
> used to before the tune up. The acceleration seems to be normal but it's
> definetely something with the tires... or the brake pads.

Maybe they rotated the tires from side to side instead of just front to
back. I had my vehicle's tires rotated where this was done. And the
vibration was very noticeable. putting the tires back on the original side
of the car made everything alright again.

--
Brian

http://www.cakesbydarlene.ca

http://www.accesswave.ca/~orion

On the other hand, if you had a tire slightly out of balance (because of a
chuckhole...slamming on the brakes... etc) but it was on the rear, you might
not have noticed it. Now that it is on the front, however, it becomes
noticable. It would be a good idea to have the tires spinbalanced...
depending upon your source of tires, this may be a free service anyway.
Also, be sure that they do not overtorque the lugnuts.

--
KWW

"Brian Smith" > wrote in message
news:707cd.7620$_u6.5674@edtnps89...
>
> "Jason" > wrote in message
> ...
> > My car never would shake at 75mph! They did rotate the tires... The
idling
> > is good but I've just noticed that the engine vibrates a little more
than
> it
> > used to before the tune up. The acceleration seems to be normal but it's
> > definetely something with the tires... or the brake pads.
>
> Maybe they rotated the tires from side to side instead of just front to
> back. I had my vehicle's tires rotated where this was done. And the
> vibration was very noticeable. putting the tires back on the original side
> of the car made everything alright again.
>
> --
> Brian
>
> http://www.cakesbydarlene.ca
>
> http://www.accesswave.ca/~orion
>
>

If they rotated the tires and it did not pull to one side before that, it is
almost certainly a bad tire. Check the tire before you waste money on an
alignment.


On 10/15/04 10:02 PM, in article
, "Jason"
> wrote:

> My car never would shake at 75mph! They did rotate the tires... The idling
> is good but I've just noticed that the engine vibrates a little more than it
> used to before the tune up. The acceleration seems to be normal but it's
> definetely something with the tires... or the brake pads.
>
> I'll be doing an alignment tomorrow and if that doesn't fix the problem, I
> would bet the suspension would be the problem?
>
> I can't hear any scraping of the breaks but I do break often and I think I'm
> one of those "break-aholics"!! haha! I hope it I can wait a little before
> changing the breaks because I'm broke after these latest fixes I had to do!
>
> Thank you!
>
> Jason
>
> "E. Meyer" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 10/15/04 7:33 AM, in article
>> , "Jason"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I've just went for my major tune-up (maintenance) changing spark plugs,
>>> checking brakes and oil change. After getting back my car (Honda Civic
>>> hatchback 98) I noticed that the car while driving over the speed of
>>> 120km/h
>>> (or 75mph) I can feel the steering wheel shake and the car wanting to
>>> "turn"
>>> to the left... I'm thinking it could be just a alignment and everything
>>> should be fine?
>>
>> Did it shake before the tuneup? Did they rotate the tires? If it just
>> started this shaking after the tuneup and the tires were not changed, the
>> shake could be a misfire in the engine - which would mean they somehow
>> botched the tuneup. How smoothly does it idle? How is the acceleration
>> compared to before the tuneup?
>>
>> If they did rotate the tires, then the shake could be a tire out of
>> balance,
>> a tire failing or some suspension part has been damaged.
>>
>> Pulling to one side can be caused by a failing tire (which could also
>> explain the shake), alignment, failing or damaged suspension component, or
>> a
>> sticking brake caliper. Take a close look at the front left tire for
>> bulges
>> or any variation in its shape - it could be in the process of coming
>> apart.
>>>
>>> Also I was told that my front disc was almost finished and my break pads
>>> as
>>> well, anyone have any good ideas for me to save some cash? (Should I buy
>>> used, should I wait a little before changing?)
>>
>> This could also explain your pull to the left, if the left caliper is
>> sticking or the pad is completely gone. Do you hear a metallic scraping
>> noise when you apply the brakes? The longer you wait, the more it will
>> cost, as the pads grind up the rotor. Also would greatly reduce your
>> ability to stop the car once the pads are completely gone.
>>
>> You do not want used brake parts, but you can save some money if you buy
>> the
>> rotors from someplace other than the Honda dealer.
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for every response (I had great help for my "Check Engine" light
>>> in
>>> the Honda newsgroups!)
>>>
>>> Jason
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Not true....a misaligned car may not rear its ugly head until after the worn
down tire is moved to the opposite side.
For example, ,if you live in an are with crowned roads (for water drainage)
any alignment guy worth his salt will put in a little toe to compensate for
the naturan pull you would get while driving on said road. That tire will
wear slightly different on that side. Over time, as the alignment wears
away, the tire will wear more to compensate.

Swap the tires and you will have it pull.

Next topic...NEVER use used brake parts....you may save now, but will pay
later in an accident if they fail.


"E. Meyer" > wrote in message
...
> If they rotated the tires and it did not pull to one side before that, it
is
> almost certainly a bad tire. Check the tire before you waste money on an
> alignment.
>
>
> On 10/15/04 10:02 PM, in article
> , "Jason"
> > wrote:
>
> > My car never would shake at 75mph! They did rotate the tires... The
idling
> > is good but I've just noticed that the engine vibrates a little more
than it
> > used to before the tune up. The acceleration seems to be normal but it's
> > definetely something with the tires... or the brake pads.
> >
> > I'll be doing an alignment tomorrow and if that doesn't fix the problem,
I
> > would bet the suspension would be the problem?
> >
> > I can't hear any scraping of the breaks but I do break often and I think
I'm
> > one of those "break-aholics"!! haha! I hope it I can wait a little
before
> > changing the breaks because I'm broke after these latest fixes I had to
do!
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> > Jason
> >
> > "E. Meyer" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> On 10/15/04 7:33 AM, in article
> >> , "Jason"
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> I've just went for my major tune-up (maintenance) changing spark
plugs,
> >>> checking brakes and oil change. After getting back my car (Honda Civic
> >>> hatchback 98) I noticed that the car while driving over the speed of
> >>> 120km/h
> >>> (or 75mph) I can feel the steering wheel shake and the car wanting to
> >>> "turn"
> >>> to the left... I'm thinking it could be just a alignment and
everything
> >>> should be fine?
> >>
> >> Did it shake before the tuneup? Did they rotate the tires? If it just
> >> started this shaking after the tuneup and the tires were not changed,
the
> >> shake could be a misfire in the engine - which would mean they somehow
> >> botched the tuneup. How smoothly does it idle? How is the
acceleration
> >> compared to before the tuneup?
> >>
> >> If they did rotate the tires, then the shake could be a tire out of
> >> balance,
> >> a tire failing or some suspension part has been damaged.
> >>
> >> Pulling to one side can be caused by a failing tire (which could also
> >> explain the shake), alignment, failing or damaged suspension component,
or
> >> a
> >> sticking brake caliper. Take a close look at the front left tire for
> >> bulges
> >> or any variation in its shape - it could be in the process of coming
> >> apart.
> >>>
> >>> Also I was told that my front disc was almost finished and my break
pads
> >>> as
> >>> well, anyone have any good ideas for me to save some cash? (Should I
buy
> >>> used, should I wait a little before changing?)
> >>
> >> This could also explain your pull to the left, if the left caliper is
> >> sticking or the pad is completely gone. Do you hear a metallic
scraping
> >> noise when you apply the brakes? The longer you wait, the more it
will
> >> cost, as the pads grind up the rotor. Also would greatly reduce your
> >> ability to stop the car once the pads are completely gone.
> >>
> >> You do not want used brake parts, but you can save some money if you
buy
> >> the
> >> rotors from someplace other than the Honda dealer.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for every response (I had great help for my "Check Engine"
light
> >>> in
> >>> the Honda newsgroups!)
> >>>
> >>> Jason
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>

An alignment guy worth his salt is not going to put anything into the
alignment that's not supposed to be there, though I have run across a few
who try to adjust things to compensate for roads or bad tires or whatever.
It is always the wrong thing to do. Avoid these guy like the plague unless
you like buying tires faster than you can pay for them.

In this case, if I read the OP correctly, the car is suddenly pulling
sharply to the left and it has also simultaneously grown a shake at speed.
That argues for a tire in the process of tread separation. He may or may
not need an alignment, but I would be really surprised if it fixes this
problem. I still say check the tire first.


On 10/17/04 2:09 PM, in article
, "Eightupman"
> wrote:

> Not true....a misaligned car may not rear its ugly head until after the worn
> down tire is moved to the opposite side.
> For example, ,if you live in an are with crowned roads (for water drainage)
> any alignment guy worth his salt will put in a little toe to compensate for
> the naturan pull you would get while driving on said road. That tire will
> wear slightly different on that side. Over time, as the alignment wears
> away, the tire will wear more to compensate.
>
> Swap the tires and you will have it pull.
>
> Next topic...NEVER use used brake parts....you may save now, but will pay
> later in an accident if they fail.
>
>
> "E. Meyer" > wrote in message
> ...
>> If they rotated the tires and it did not pull to one side before that, it
> is
>> almost certainly a bad tire. Check the tire before you waste money on an
>> alignment.
>>
>>
>> On 10/15/04 10:02 PM, in article
>> , "Jason"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> My car never would shake at 75mph! They did rotate the tires... The
> idling
>>> is good but I've just noticed that the engine vibrates a little more
> than it
>>> used to before the tune up. The acceleration seems to be normal but it's
>>> definetely something with the tires... or the brake pads.
>>>
>>> I'll be doing an alignment tomorrow and if that doesn't fix the problem,
> I
>>> would bet the suspension would be the problem?
>>>
>>> I can't hear any scraping of the breaks but I do break often and I think
> I'm
>>> one of those "break-aholics"!! haha! I hope it I can wait a little
> before
>>> changing the breaks because I'm broke after these latest fixes I had to
> do!
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>> Jason
>>>
>>> "E. Meyer" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 10/15/04 7:33 AM, in article
>>>> , "Jason"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've just went for my major tune-up (maintenance) changing spark
> plugs,
>>>>> checking brakes and oil change. After getting back my car (Honda Civic
>>>>> hatchback 98) I noticed that the car while driving over the speed of
>>>>> 120km/h
>>>>> (or 75mph) I can feel the steering wheel shake and the car wanting to
>>>>> "turn"
>>>>> to the left... I'm thinking it could be just a alignment and
> everything
>>>>> should be fine?
>>>>
>>>> Did it shake before the tuneup? Did they rotate the tires? If it just
>>>> started this shaking after the tuneup and the tires were not changed,
> the
>>>> shake could be a misfire in the engine - which would mean they somehow
>>>> botched the tuneup. How smoothly does it idle? How is the
> acceleration
>>>> compared to before the tuneup?
>>>>
>>>> If they did rotate the tires, then the shake could be a tire out of
>>>> balance,
>>>> a tire failing or some suspension part has been damaged.
>>>>
>>>> Pulling to one side can be caused by a failing tire (which could also
>>>> explain the shake), alignment, failing or damaged suspension component,
> or
>>>> a
>>>> sticking brake caliper. Take a close look at the front left tire for
>>>> bulges
>>>> or any variation in its shape - it could be in the process of coming
>>>> apart.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also I was told that my front disc was almost finished and my break
> pads
>>>>> as
>>>>> well, anyone have any good ideas for me to save some cash? (Should I
> buy
>>>>> used, should I wait a little before changing?)
>>>>
>>>> This could also explain your pull to the left, if the left caliper is
>>>> sticking or the pad is completely gone. Do you hear a metallic
> scraping
>>>> noise when you apply the brakes? The longer you wait, the more it
> will
>>>> cost, as the pads grind up the rotor. Also would greatly reduce your
>>>> ability to stop the car once the pads are completely gone.
>>>>
>>>> You do not want used brake parts, but you can save some money if you
> buy
>>>> the
>>>> rotors from someplace other than the Honda dealer.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for every response (I had great help for my "Check Engine"
> light
>>>>> in
>>>>> the Honda newsgroups!)
>>>>>
>>>>> Jason
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Thanks for the replies... I went for an alignment and the car isn't shaking
anymore but tends to lean towards the left (a little) it isn't as noticeable
as before. The guy at the garage told me to tell him next week if this is
still the case and he'll switch the tires from front to back. As I'm going
to get also my brake disc and pads changed... Oh, I just remembered, maybe
I should have mentionned that I have Michelin Destiny tires. Anyway had any
problems with these type of tires?

Jason


"E. Meyer" > wrote in message
...
> An alignment guy worth his salt is not going to put anything into the
> alignment that's not supposed to be there, though I have run across a few
> who try to adjust things to compensate for roads or bad tires or whatever.
> It is always the wrong thing to do. Avoid these guy like the plague
> unless
> you like buying tires faster than you can pay for them.
>
> In this case, if I read the OP correctly, the car is suddenly pulling
> sharply to the left and it has also simultaneously grown a shake at speed.
> That argues for a tire in the process of tread separation. He may or may
> not need an alignment, but I would be really surprised if it fixes this
> problem. I still say check the tire first.
>
>
> On 10/17/04 2:09 PM, in article
> , "Eightupman"
> > wrote:
>
>> Not true....a misaligned car may not rear its ugly head until after the
>> worn
>> down tire is moved to the opposite side.
>> For example, ,if you live in an are with crowned roads (for water
>> drainage)
>> any alignment guy worth his salt will put in a little toe to compensate
>> for
>> the naturan pull you would get while driving on said road. That tire
>> will
>> wear slightly different on that side. Over time, as the alignment wears
>> away, the tire will wear more to compensate.
>>
>> Swap the tires and you will have it pull.
>>
>> Next topic...NEVER use used brake parts....you may save now, but will pay
>> later in an accident if they fail.
>>
>>
>> "E. Meyer" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> If they rotated the tires and it did not pull to one side before that,
>>> it
>> is
>>> almost certainly a bad tire. Check the tire before you waste money on
>>> an
>>> alignment.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/15/04 10:02 PM, in article
>>> , "Jason"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> My car never would shake at 75mph! They did rotate the tires... The
>> idling
>>>> is good but I've just noticed that the engine vibrates a little more
>> than it
>>>> used to before the tune up. The acceleration seems to be normal but
>>>> it's
>>>> definetely something with the tires... or the brake pads.
>>>>
>>>> I'll be doing an alignment tomorrow and if that doesn't fix the
>>>> problem,
>> I
>>>> would bet the suspension would be the problem?
>>>>
>>>> I can't hear any scraping of the breaks but I do break often and I
>>>> think
>> I'm
>>>> one of those "break-aholics"!! haha! I hope it I can wait a little
>> before
>>>> changing the breaks because I'm broke after these latest fixes I had to
>> do!
>>>>
>>>> Thank you!
>>>>
>>>> Jason
>>>>
>>>> "E. Meyer" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 10/15/04 7:33 AM, in article
>>>>> , "Jason"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've just went for my major tune-up (maintenance) changing spark
>> plugs,
>>>>>> checking brakes and oil change. After getting back my car (Honda
>>>>>> Civic
>>>>>> hatchback 98) I noticed that the car while driving over the speed of
>>>>>> 120km/h
>>>>>> (or 75mph) I can feel the steering wheel shake and the car wanting to
>>>>>> "turn"
>>>>>> to the left... I'm thinking it could be just a alignment and
>> everything
>>>>>> should be fine?
>>>>>
>>>>> Did it shake before the tuneup? Did they rotate the tires? If it
>>>>> just
>>>>> started this shaking after the tuneup and the tires were not changed,
>> the
>>>>> shake could be a misfire in the engine - which would mean they somehow
>>>>> botched the tuneup. How smoothly does it idle? How is the
>> acceleration
>>>>> compared to before the tuneup?
>>>>>
>>>>> If they did rotate the tires, then the shake could be a tire out of
>>>>> balance,
>>>>> a tire failing or some suspension part has been damaged.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pulling to one side can be caused by a failing tire (which could also
>>>>> explain the shake), alignment, failing or damaged suspension
>>>>> component,
>> or
>>>>> a
>>>>> sticking brake caliper. Take a close look at the front left tire for
>>>>> bulges
>>>>> or any variation in its shape - it could be in the process of coming
>>>>> apart.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also I was told that my front disc was almost finished and my break
>> pads
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> well, anyone have any good ideas for me to save some cash? (Should I
>> buy
>>>>>> used, should I wait a little before changing?)
>>>>>
>>>>> This could also explain your pull to the left, if the left caliper is
>>>>> sticking or the pad is completely gone. Do you hear a metallic
>> scraping
>>>>> noise when you apply the brakes? The longer you wait, the more it
>> will
>>>>> cost, as the pads grind up the rotor. Also would greatly reduce your
>>>>> ability to stop the car once the pads are completely gone.
>>>>>
>>>>> You do not want used brake parts, but you can save some money if you
>> buy
>>>>> the
>>>>> rotors from someplace other than the Honda dealer.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for every response (I had great help for my "Check Engine"
>> light
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the Honda newsgroups!)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

It should just be the alignment. Is the car lowered at all? If it is how so?
Go get the alignment checked, that should be your main problem.

"Jason" > wrote in message
...
> I've just went for my major tune-up (maintenance) changing spark plugs,
> checking brakes and oil change. After getting back my car (Honda Civic
> hatchback 98) I noticed that the car while driving over the speed of
120km/h
> (or 75mph) I can feel the steering wheel shake and the car wanting to
"turn"
> to the left... I'm thinking it could be just a alignment and everything
> should be fine?
>
> Also I was told that my front disc was almost finished and my break pads
as
> well, anyone have any good ideas for me to save some cash? (Should I buy
> used, should I wait a little before changing?)
>
> Thanks for every response (I had great help for my "Check Engine" light in
> the Honda newsgroups!)
>
> Jason
>
>