Is This The Magic Battery?

http://www.caradvice.com.au/89483/au...charge-record/

Maybe, if it doesn't cost a million dollars. These guys have run a
car for about 400 miles on a single battery charge at around 70 - 80
mph. That's awesome if true. It could be America's way out of buying
foreign oil, and greatly reducing ur operating costs.

My Subaru WRX gets 25 mpg on a typical long trip. A Chevy Volt goes
40 miles on a 10 KwH charge. Around here, 10 KwH costs 62 1/2 cents.
The WRX takes premium and costs about $4.72 to go 40 miles. Big
difference. Maybe we have cheap transportation again? CAFE
standards? Unncessary. And we have absolutely oceans of domestic
natural gas to build clean power generation for these cars.

Just hope its real.

On Oct 29, 6:59*am, Dave Head > wrote:
> http://www.caradvice.com.au/89483/au...cle-sets-600km...
>
> Maybe, if it doesn't cost a million dollars. *These guys have run a
> car for about 400 miles on a single battery charge at around 70 - 80
> mph. *That's awesome if true. *It could be America's way out of buying
> foreign oil, and greatly reducing ur operating costs.
>
> My Subaru WRX gets 25 mpg on a typical long trip. *A Chevy Volt goes
> 40 miles on a 10 KwH charge. *Around here, 10 KwH costs 62 1/2 cents.
> The WRX takes premium and costs about $4.72 to go 40 miles. *Big
> difference. *Maybe we have cheap transportation again? *CAFE
> standards? *Unncessary. *And we have absolutely oceans of domestic
> natural gas to build clean power generation for these cars.
>
> Just hope its real.

liPos are great- use them in my model airplane.
Very light, awesome capacity.

They have a huge downside though- physical trauma tends to make them,
well, explode.
So does overcharging.

They are also damaged if they are discharged beyond a certain point.


Dave

On Oct 29, 4:30*am, Dave__67 > wrote:
> On Oct 29, 6:59*am, Dave Head > wrote:
>
> >http://www.caradvice.com.au/89483/au...cle-sets-600km...
>
> > Maybe, if it doesn't cost a million dollars. *These guys have run a
> > car for about 400 miles on a single battery charge at around 70 - 80
> > mph. *That's awesome if true. *It could be America's way out of buying
> > foreign oil, and greatly reducing ur operating costs.
>
> > My Subaru WRX gets 25 mpg on a typical long trip. *A Chevy Volt goes
> > 40 miles on a 10 KwH charge. *Around here, 10 KwH costs 62 1/2 cents.
> > The WRX takes premium and costs about $4.72 to go 40 miles. *Big
> > difference. *Maybe we have cheap transportation again? *CAFE
> > standards? *Unncessary. *And we have absolutely oceans of domestic
> > natural gas to build clean power generation for these cars.
>
> > Just hope its real.
>
> liPos are great- use them in *my model airplane.
> Very light, awesome capacity.
>
> They have a huge downside though- physical trauma tends to make them,
> well, explode.
> So does overcharging.
>
> They are also damaged if they are discharged beyond a certain point.
>
> Dave

I haven't really dug into the electrics but I don't see them ever
replacing IC powered, augmenting, yes. I would love to have one but
it would have to be a 3rd vehicle and used just for local trips
(within around 40 miles). I live in a sparsely populated farming
rural area withing 4 miles of town but that town is less that 2,000
pop and thus shopping is limited. Nearest real shopping (and it is
not all that great) is a 60 mile round trip.

Electrics, even the current ones, should do fine in an urban setting
but the price is going to have to come down.

Harry K

On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 07:13:56 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
> wrote:

>On Oct 29, 4:30*am, Dave__67 > wrote:
>> On Oct 29, 6:59*am, Dave Head > wrote:
>>
>> >http://www.caradvice.com.au/89483/au...cle-sets-600km...
>>
>> > Maybe, if it doesn't cost a million dollars. *These guys have run a
>> > car for about 400 miles on a single battery charge at around 70 - 80
>> > mph. *That's awesome if true. *It could be America's way out of buying
>> > foreign oil, and greatly reducing ur operating costs.
>>
>> > My Subaru WRX gets 25 mpg on a typical long trip. *A Chevy Volt goes
>> > 40 miles on a 10 KwH charge. *Around here, 10 KwH costs 62 1/2 cents.
>> > The WRX takes premium and costs about $4.72 to go 40 miles. *Big
>> > difference. *Maybe we have cheap transportation again? *CAFE
>> > standards? *Unncessary. *And we have absolutely oceans of domestic
>> > natural gas to build clean power generation for these cars.
>>
>> > Just hope its real.
>>
>> liPos are great- use them in *my model airplane.
>> Very light, awesome capacity.
>>
>> They have a huge downside though- physical trauma tends to make them,
>> well, explode.
>> So does overcharging.
>>
>> They are also damaged if they are discharged beyond a certain point.
>>
>> Dave
>
>I haven't really dug into the electrics but I don't see them ever
>replacing IC powered, augmenting, yes. I would love to have one but
>it would have to be a 3rd vehicle and used just for local trips
>(within around 40 miles).

Howcum? Why would you not want to jump in it and drive it from, say,
New York to Las Vegas?

>I live in a sparsely populated farming
>rural area withing 4 miles of town but that town is less that 2,000
>pop and thus shopping is limited. Nearest real shopping (and it is
>not all that great) is a 60 mile round trip.

Well, they just drove this particular car 400 miles without refueling,
sooo... what's the problem?

>Electrics, even the current ones, should do fine in an urban setting
>but the price is going to have to come down.

Oh, yeah, the price has to come down... but the cost of fuel is a big
mitigating factor.

>
>Harry K

On 2010-10-29, Dave Head > wrote:

> Oh, yeah, the price has to come down... but the cost of fuel is a big
> mitigating factor.

The issue I find is that the cost of electricity vs. the cost of
gasoline equation is generally rigged by not considering the taxes on
the electricity but including them on gasoline. Then there is the
question of taxes for roads which one way or another will be charged
towards electrics.

On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 23:01:31 +0000 (UTC), Brent
> wrote:

>On 2010-10-29, Dave Head > wrote:
>
>> Oh, yeah, the price has to come down... but the cost of fuel is a big
>> mitigating factor.
>
>The issue I find is that the cost of electricity vs. the cost of
>gasoline equation is generally rigged by not considering the taxes on
>the electricity but including them on gasoline. Then there is the
>question of taxes for roads which one way or another will be charged
>towards electrics.

They're gonna have a hard time collecting road taxes from electrics,
aren't they?

Probably dump the road tax concept, just pay for it with general
taxes.

Dave Head > wrote in
news
> On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 07:13:56 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
> wrote:
>
>>On Oct 29, 4:30*am, Dave__67 > wrote:
>>> On Oct 29, 6:59*am, Dave Head > wrote:
>>>
>>> >http://www.caradvice.com.au/89483/au...icle-sets-600k
>>> >m...
>>>
>>> > Maybe, if it doesn't cost a million dollars. *These guys have run
>>> > a car for about 400 miles on a single battery charge at around 70
>>> > - 80 mph. *That's awesome if true. *It could be America's way out
>>> > of buying foreign oil, and greatly reducing ur operating costs.
>>>
>>> > My Subaru WRX gets 25 mpg on a typical long trip. *A Chevy Volt
>>> > goes 40 miles on a 10 KwH charge. *Around here, 10 KwH costs 62
>>> > 1/2 cents. The WRX takes premium and costs about $4.72 to go 40
>>> > miles. *Big difference. *Maybe we have cheap transportation again?
>>> > *CAFE standards? *Unncessary. *And we have absolutely oceans of
>>> > domestic natural gas to build clean power generation for these
>>> > cars.

better to use nuclear electric plants and save the hydrocarbons for
industrial feedstocks. nukes don't emit any pollution.
>>>
>>> > Just hope its real.
>>>
>>> liPos are great- use them in *my model airplane.
>>> Very light, awesome capacity.
>>>
>>> They have a huge downside though- physical trauma tends to make
>>> them, well, explode.
>>> So does overcharging.
>>>
>>> They are also damaged if they are discharged beyond a certain point.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>
>>I haven't really dug into the electrics but I don't see them ever
>>replacing IC powered, augmenting, yes. I would love to have one but
>>it would have to be a 3rd vehicle and used just for local trips
>>(within around 40 miles).
>
> Howcum? Why would you not want to jump in it and drive it from, say,
> New York to Las Vegas?

because you'd have to recharge it overnight after every 400 miles.(and more
likely less than 400 miles)
I can drive a LOT farther than 400 miles before needing several hours off.
Most people can only afford one car for all their driving,not one for short
trips and another for long distance.

>
>>I live in a sparsely populated farming
>>rural area withing 4 miles of town but that town is less that 2,000
>>pop and thus shopping is limited. Nearest real shopping (and it is
>>not all that great) is a 60 mile round trip.
>
> Well, they just drove this particular car 400 miles without refueling,
> sooo... what's the problem?

The car will not always get that same mileage from a single charge.
Particularly with passengers,or for not-flat terrain.
You also will not always be starting off with a full charge.
and if the battery does deplete,you're STUCK for several hours.

and you'll need a charging point at the other end of your journey.

>
>>Electrics, even the current ones, should do fine in an urban setting
>>but the price is going to have to come down.
>
> Oh, yeah, the price has to come down... but the cost of fuel is a big
> mitigating factor.

the price of gas is artificially high because of political reasons.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 18:45:14 -0500, Jim Yanik >
wrote:

>Dave Head > wrote in
>news >
>> On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 07:13:56 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
> wrote:
>>
>>>On Oct 29, 4:30*am, Dave__67 > wrote:
>>>> On Oct 29, 6:59*am, Dave Head > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >http://www.caradvice.com.au/89483/au...icle-sets-600k
>>>> >m...
>>>>
>>>> > Maybe, if it doesn't cost a million dollars. *These guys have run
>>>> > a car for about 400 miles on a single battery charge at around 70
>>>> > - 80 mph. *That's awesome if true. *It could be America's way out
>>>> > of buying foreign oil, and greatly reducing ur operating costs.
>>>>
>>>> > My Subaru WRX gets 25 mpg on a typical long trip. *A Chevy Volt
>>>> > goes 40 miles on a 10 KwH charge. *Around here, 10 KwH costs 62
>>>> > 1/2 cents. The WRX takes premium and costs about $4.72 to go 40
>>>> > miles. *Big difference. *Maybe we have cheap transportation again?
>>>> > *CAFE standards? *Unncessary. *And we have absolutely oceans of
>>>> > domestic natural gas to build clean power generation for these
>>>> > cars.
>
>better to use nuclear electric plants and save the hydrocarbons for
>industrial feedstocks. nukes don't emit any pollution.
>>>>
>>>> > Just hope its real.
>>>>
>>>> liPos are great- use them in *my model airplane.
>>>> Very light, awesome capacity.
>>>>
>>>> They have a huge downside though- physical trauma tends to make
>>>> them, well, explode.
>>>> So does overcharging.
>>>>
>>>> They are also damaged if they are discharged beyond a certain point.
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>
>>>I haven't really dug into the electrics but I don't see them ever
>>>replacing IC powered, augmenting, yes. I would love to have one but
>>>it would have to be a 3rd vehicle and used just for local trips
>>>(within around 40 miles).
>>
>> Howcum? Why would you not want to jump in it and drive it from, say,
>> New York to Las Vegas?
>
>because you'd have to recharge it overnight after every 400 miles.(and more
>likely less than 400 miles)

No, you don't. You pull into a fueling station and they remove your
discharged battery and install a fully charged battery. The car will
be made to allow this change to be performed rapidly.

>I can drive a LOT farther than 400 miles before needing several hours off.

Probably less than 2 minutes.

>Most people can only afford one car for all their driving,not one for short
>trips and another for long distance.

Right. That's why electrics have to be built to go far on a charge
and refuel quickly.
>
>>
>>>I live in a sparsely populated farming
>>>rural area withing 4 miles of town but that town is less that 2,000
>>>pop and thus shopping is limited. Nearest real shopping (and it is
>>>not all that great) is a 60 mile round trip.
>>
>> Well, they just drove this particular car 400 miles without refueling,
>> sooo... what's the problem?
>
>The car will not always get that same mileage from a single charge.
>Particularly with passengers,or for not-flat terrain.

They were doing 70 - 80 mph. That's a pretty big air drag, far
exceeding the effect of passenger mass on intermittant accleration
inefficiencies.

>You also will not always be starting off with a full charge.

Go as far as it will, change out the battery. On the road again in
about 3 minutes.

>and if the battery does deplete,you're STUCK for several hours.

No, you get to a fueling station and change the battery. The fueling
station recharges that battery offline, for hours but gives you a
battery that they charged last night.

>and you'll need a charging point at the other end of your journey.

Yep, just like a regular gas station. Shouldn't be a problem to build
'em pretty much everywhere.

>>>Electrics, even the current ones, should do fine in an urban setting
>>>but the price is going to have to come down.
>>
>> Oh, yeah, the price has to come down... but the cost of fuel is a big
>> mitigating factor.
>
>the price of gas is artificially high because of political reasons.

Nowhere close to what it is in Europe, tho.

On Oct 29, 2:49*pm, Dave Head > wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 07:13:56 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> >On Oct 29, 4:30 am, Dave__67 > wrote:
> >> On Oct 29, 6:59 am, Dave Head > wrote:
>
> >> >http://www.caradvice.com.au/89483/au...cle-sets-600km....
>
> >> > Maybe, if it doesn't cost a million dollars. These guys have run a
> >> > car for about 400 miles on a single battery charge at around 70 - 80
> >> > mph. That's awesome if true. It could be America's way out of buying
> >> > foreign oil, and greatly reducing ur operating costs.
>
> >> > My Subaru WRX gets 25 mpg on a typical long trip. A Chevy Volt goes
> >> > 40 miles on a 10 KwH charge. Around here, 10 KwH costs 62 1/2 cents.
> >> > The WRX takes premium and costs about $4.72 to go 40 miles. Big
> >> > difference. Maybe we have cheap transportation again? CAFE
> >> > standards? Unncessary. And we have absolutely oceans of domestic
> >> > natural gas to build clean power generation for these cars.
>
> >> > Just hope its real.
>
> >> liPos are great- use them in my model airplane.
> >> Very light, awesome capacity.
>
> >> They have a huge downside though- physical trauma tends to make them,
> >> well, explode.
> >> So does overcharging.
>
> >> They are also damaged if they are discharged beyond a certain point.
>
> >> Dave
>
> >I haven't really dug into the electrics but I don't see them ever
> >replacing IC powered, augmenting, yes. *I would love to have one but
> >it would have to be a 3rd vehicle and used just for local trips
> >(within around 40 miles).
>
> Howcum? *Why would you not want to jump in it and drive it from, say,
> New York to Las Vegas?

Right after you. You are aware we are discussing _electric_ cars?

>
> >I live in a sparsely populated farming
> >rural area withing 4 miles of town but that town is less that 2,000
> >pop and thus shopping is limited. *Nearest real shopping (and it is
> >not all that great) is a 60 mile round trip.
>
> Well, they just drove this particular car 400 miles without refueling,
> sooo... what's the problem?
>

"this car"? Care to give a cite. I am sure they did it but I'll bet
they did some things that aren't practical.

And people have driven IC cars to get extremely high mileage. Their
methods would not be allowed in normal traffic.

> >Electrics, even the current ones, should do fine in an urban setting
> >but the price is going to have to come down.
>
> Oh, yeah, the price has to come down... but the *cost of fuel is a big
> mitigating factor.
>

As is replacing a battery pack and you still wind up with limited
range.

Harry K

On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 21:25:44 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
> wrote:

>On Oct 29, 2:49*pm, Dave Head > wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 07:13:56 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > wrote:
>> >On Oct 29, 4:30 am, Dave__67 > wrote:
>> >> On Oct 29, 6:59 am, Dave Head > wrote:
>>
>> >> >http://www.caradvice.com.au/89483/au...cle-sets-600km...
>>
>> >> > Maybe, if it doesn't cost a million dollars. These guys have run a
>> >> > car for about 400 miles on a single battery charge at around 70 - 80
>> >> > mph. That's awesome if true. It could be America's way out of buying
>> >> > foreign oil, and greatly reducing ur operating costs.
>>
>> >> > My Subaru WRX gets 25 mpg on a typical long trip. A Chevy Volt goes
>> >> > 40 miles on a 10 KwH charge. Around here, 10 KwH costs 62 1/2 cents.
>> >> > The WRX takes premium and costs about $4.72 to go 40 miles. Big
>> >> > difference. Maybe we have cheap transportation again? CAFE
>> >> > standards? Unncessary. And we have absolutely oceans of domestic
>> >> > natural gas to build clean power generation for these cars.
>>
>> >> > Just hope its real.
>>
>> >> liPos are great- use them in my model airplane.
>> >> Very light, awesome capacity.
>>
>> >> They have a huge downside though- physical trauma tends to make them,
>> >> well, explode.
>> >> So does overcharging.
>>
>> >> They are also damaged if they are discharged beyond a certain point.
>>
>> >> Dave
>>
>> >I haven't really dug into the electrics but I don't see them ever
>> >replacing IC powered, augmenting, yes. *I would love to have one but
>> >it would have to be a 3rd vehicle and used just for local trips
>> >(within around 40 miles).
>>
>> Howcum? *Why would you not want to jump in it and drive it from, say,
>> New York to Las Vegas?
>
>Right after you. You are aware we are discussing _electric_ cars?

Yeah. You did read the original post of this thread, right?
>
>>
>> >I live in a sparsely populated farming
>> >rural area withing 4 miles of town but that town is less that 2,000
>> >pop and thus shopping is limited. *Nearest real shopping (and it is
>> >not all that great) is a 60 mile round trip.
>>
>> Well, they just drove this particular car 400 miles without refueling,
>> sooo... what's the problem?
>>
>
>"this car"? Care to give a cite. I am sure they did it but I'll bet
>they did some things that aren't practical.

Its in the original post of this thread.

>And people have driven IC cars to get extremely high mileage. Their
>methods would not be allowed in normal traffic.

No, they just chugged down the highway like any other car.

>> >Electrics, even the current ones, should do fine in an urban setting
>> >but the price is going to have to come down.
>>
>> Oh, yeah, the price has to come down... but the *cost of fuel is a big
>> mitigating factor.
>>
>
>As is replacing a battery pack and you still wind up with limited
>range.

So? You have limited range in a regular car too, until you fill the
gas tank again...

>
>Harry K