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  #31  
Old December 5th 05, 04:35 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.saturn
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"Timothy J. Lee" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> Ron Herfurth > wrote:
> >I thought ION production was moving to the Cobalt plant in Lordstown

Ohio.
> >I'm not sure if the ION is already on the same frame as the Cobalt or if

the
> >ION will be redesigned to be on the Cobalt frame.

>
> Cobalt and Ion share the GM delta platform.
>
> >Of course one way to increase sales of Cobalts and IONs would be TO

PRODUCE
> >A WAGON VERSION !!!!!!!
> >HINT FREAKING HINT ! ! !

>
> HHR?
>
> >Maybe a cheaper (maybe slightly smaller) version of the Pontiac Vibe.
> >Something that's in the mid 30s in gas mileage rather than the mid 20s.

>
> Well, that would be the Vibe. The HHR doesn't get as good fuel economy.
>
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Timothy J. Lee
> Unsolicited bulk or commercial email is not welcome.
> No warranty of any kind is provided with this message.



IMHO the HHR is a stunningly nondescript, and at the same time ugly,
vehicle. At least the PT Cruiser looks interesting. The HHR looks like a
truck someone tried to beat (with an ugly stick) into a wagon.
Is the HHR also on the delta/Lordstown platform?
The thought of going from Plymouth to Chrysler to Saturn and then to Pontiac
isn't helping my schizophrenia but the Vibe fits my current wants and I just
can't imagine myself in a Toyota Matrix.
ron




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  #32  
Old December 6th 05, 03:19 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.saturn
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In article >,
"Ron Herfurth" > wrote:

> They're also starting to pile up in junk yards with the realization that
> they'll be there forever. Maybe 15 years ago Saturn thought someone would
> figure out a way to recycle them (maybe in to bumpers) but it didn't happen.


I've heard some junk heaps won't accept Saturns anymore, period. Hey,
'94 was the peak year on the S series - there's a zillion of them
basically about to hit the yards anyway.
  #33  
Old December 6th 05, 02:58 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.saturn
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I actually almost bought an HHR until the dealer tried screwing me on my
trade in a bit. I didn't think they were ugly, but kind of cool. They are
built (and basically are) share the Cobalt & Ion platforms. I ended up
buying a Vue and so far am very pleased with it. I did have a chuckle
though...GM must use the same interior electrical harnesses in the Vue, HHR,
Cobalt,etc as the center dash (radio, heat, etc) steering wheel, etc are
virtually identical in regard to layout with some cosmetic changes, so I
ended up getting some of the things I had wanted in the HHR, in the Vue.
Both 4 banger versions use the same 2.2L engine. When I test drove the HHR,
it drove very nicely and had better pick-up than the Vue, but I'm guessing
the HHR is a little lighter. The big thing I didn't like about the HHR was
it had extremely poor visibility out the rear view window. The back seat
head rests obscure the rear view very badly leaving a small square in the
center of the back window visible. The other thing was that the colors make
a huge difference. The way the front is rounded, the curves round the front
so much that certain darker colors make it lose all definition. The dark
silver (which we liked it the catalog) looked like a hearse. I'm actually
thankful that I had problems with the dealer as the '06 Vue kind of fell in
my lap. The manual tranny shifts very smooth, and I ended up going with the
black and the chrome package w/ chrome roof rails gives it some nice
definition. The only thing I don't like visually is that I wish the rims
available for the V6, were an option on the 4.

So far, a happy owner.
Scott

"Ron Herfurth" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Timothy J. Lee" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > Ron Herfurth > wrote:
> > >I thought ION production was moving to the Cobalt plant in Lordstown

> Ohio.
> > >I'm not sure if the ION is already on the same frame as the Cobalt or

if
> the
> > >ION will be redesigned to be on the Cobalt frame.

> >
> > Cobalt and Ion share the GM delta platform.
> >
> > >Of course one way to increase sales of Cobalts and IONs would be TO

> PRODUCE
> > >A WAGON VERSION !!!!!!!
> > >HINT FREAKING HINT ! ! !

> >
> > HHR?
> >
> > >Maybe a cheaper (maybe slightly smaller) version of the Pontiac Vibe.
> > >Something that's in the mid 30s in gas mileage rather than the mid 20s.

> >
> > Well, that would be the Vibe. The HHR doesn't get as good fuel economy.
> >
> > --
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Timothy J. Lee
> > Unsolicited bulk or commercial email is not welcome.
> > No warranty of any kind is provided with this message.

>
>
> IMHO the HHR is a stunningly nondescript, and at the same time ugly,
> vehicle. At least the PT Cruiser looks interesting. The HHR looks like a
> truck someone tried to beat (with an ugly stick) into a wagon.
> Is the HHR also on the delta/Lordstown platform?
> The thought of going from Plymouth to Chrysler to Saturn and then to

Pontiac
> isn't helping my schizophrenia but the Vibe fits my current wants and I

just
> can't imagine myself in a Toyota Matrix.
> ron
>
>
>
>



  #34  
Old December 6th 05, 10:31 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.saturn
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That we will....Oh, BTW...I work for GM at the Spring Hill Manufacturing
Center on the VUE line. So my information is basically 99% correct. I get
laid off in 2007 to convert the plant to steel panel and the ION line folks
get laid off next Christmas. Their portion of the plant will be stripped
out then. This was not a last minute thing. It has been in the works for
the past couple of years, as the decision was made then to drop polymer
panels from the GM lineup.


"Steve Barker LT" > wrote in message
...
> We'll see.
>
> --
> Steve Barker
>
>
>
> "Seamus's Stuff" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Steve Barker LT" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> Yeah, and i'm sure they'll start making the corvette out of steel also.
> >> Face it, the plastic panels is what saturn is. They're here to stay in
> >> at
> >> least some of the models.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Steve Barker
> >>

> >
> > Sorry Steve they are not....The ION will be phased out of plastic panels
> > in
> > Jan of 2007 and the VUE between April and September of 2007. This is
> > fact.
> > There are no other plants that build plastic panel cars/trucks (the
> > Corvette
> > is not plastic...it is a composite). Spring Hill will be converted from

a
> > polymer panel plant to a steel body plant in 2007. The plants that will
> > get
> > the next gen. ION and VUE will be steel body plants...no polymer...
> >
> >

>
>



  #35  
Old December 7th 05, 07:35 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.saturn
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Does that mean that the last year for the poly side Vue's will be the '08
model? Or will it be a seamless transfer? Just curious on how those things
work...I can't see them doing without the Vue for a year...I think that's
Saturn's most popular CURRENT line now based on how many I see at the
dealers compared with the Ion and Relay. I think I've seen 3 Relays on the
road, (and I think I'm being generous)....Anyway, what is going in the Ion
portion of the plant after it's ripped out? again, just curious. Sorry
your going to get laid off....I did my part to help and bought one...

Scott

"Seamus's Stuff" > wrote in message
...
> That we will....Oh, BTW...I work for GM at the Spring Hill Manufacturing
> Center on the VUE line. So my information is basically 99% correct. I

get
> laid off in 2007 to convert the plant to steel panel and the ION line

folks
> get laid off next Christmas. Their portion of the plant will be stripped
> out then. This was not a last minute thing. It has been in the works for
> the past couple of years, as the decision was made then to drop polymer
> panels from the GM lineup.
>
>
> "Steve Barker LT" > wrote in message
> ...
> > We'll see.
> >
> > --
> > Steve Barker
> >
> >
> >
> > "Seamus's Stuff" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > "Steve Barker LT" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > >> Yeah, and i'm sure they'll start making the corvette out of steel

also.
> > >> Face it, the plastic panels is what saturn is. They're here to stay

in
> > >> at
> > >> least some of the models.
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Steve Barker
> > >>
> > >
> > > Sorry Steve they are not....The ION will be phased out of plastic

panels
> > > in
> > > Jan of 2007 and the VUE between April and September of 2007. This is
> > > fact.
> > > There are no other plants that build plastic panel cars/trucks (the
> > > Corvette
> > > is not plastic...it is a composite). Spring Hill will be converted

from
> a
> > > polymer panel plant to a steel body plant in 2007. The plants that

will
> > > get
> > > the next gen. ION and VUE will be steel body plants...no polymer...
> > >
> > >

> >
> >

>
>



  #36  
Old December 8th 05, 12:17 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.saturn
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"IYM" > wrote in message
...
> Does that mean that the last year for the poly side Vue's will be the '08
> model? Or will it be a seamless transfer? Just curious on how those

things
> work...I can't see them doing without the Vue for a year...I think that's
> Saturn's most popular CURRENT line now based on how many I see at the
> dealers compared with the Ion and Relay. I think I've seen 3 Relays on

the
> road, (and I think I'm being generous)....Anyway, what is going in the Ion
> portion of the plant after it's ripped out? again, just curious. Sorry
> your going to get laid off....I did my part to help and bought one...
>
> Scott
>


The '07 will be the last of the polymer panels. As Spring Hill production
will stop around change over in 2007. I believe the transfer will be a
seamless one. As you are correct, the VUE is the best selling product
Saturn has currently and unless something else is selling well by then they
will need the VUE to continue somewhere (even being steel body built then).

The entire plant will be ripped out and a new manufacturing line put in.
With the ION side stopping before the VUE side, it will mean a shorter
layoff period for those of us on the VUE side. Since about half of the work
will be done before we shut down. All we know is that we are getting a new
product...but as with GM they don't say anything until the last minute. So
it will be a few more months until we find out what product we get.

Jim


  #37  
Old December 30th 05, 06:33 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.saturn
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In article >,
"Ron Herfurth" > wrote:

> IMHO the HHR is a stunningly nondescript, and at the same time ugly,
> vehicle. At least the PT Cruiser looks interesting. The HHR looks like a
> truck someone tried to beat (with an ugly stick) into a wagon.

I agree, plus it has defeciencies that prevent me from buying any
vehicle.

> Is the HHR also on the delta/Lordstown platform?
> The thought of going from Plymouth to Chrysler to Saturn and then to Pontiac
> isn't helping my schizophrenia but the Vibe fits my current wants and I just
> can't imagine myself in a Toyota Matrix.

The Matrix an excellent vehicle within it's capabilities.
I recommend getting the original, the Matrix. Toyota service people
understand it.
To GM service people it is an odd ball in their stable, as are those
Korean cars GM is importing.
  #38  
Old December 30th 05, 06:37 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.saturn
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In article >,
"Seamus's Stuff" > wrote:

> That we will....Oh, BTW...I work for GM at the Spring Hill Manufacturing
> Center on the VUE line. So my information is basically 99% correct. I get
> laid off in 2007 to convert the plant to steel panel and the ION line folks
> get laid off next Christmas. Their portion of the plant will be stripped
> out then. This was not a last minute thing. It has been in the works for
> the past couple of years, as the decision was made then to drop polymer
> panels from the GM lineup.


Too bad. The VUE was on my short list when I change my '95 car in the
next few years.
Those plastic body panels were the big plus for the VUE. In steel it
will be just another cross over vehicle.
 




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