Damn, I won't be buying GTR afterall

On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 06:36:24 GMT, Todd Walker >
wrote:

>So what should the developers do?

Whatever they do, at least don't use something which will sabotage
other present programs, like Nero. I also remember I tried to update
my legal copy of Operation Flashpoint, which didn't work. The reason
was that the update installer found a CD writer on my PC, and just
stopped updating OF without any message....

Cheers!


Remco

I didn't say that you were. The quote "The hackers and pirates end up
laughing while the average Joe ends up not being able to even make a
backup copy." was attributed to 'B Wegner'. Perhaps you overlooked
that?

Bruce Kennewell wrote:
> I'm not using the "'backup copy' excuse".
> All I'm saying is that, if the legitimate purchase of GTR includes
Starforce
> copyright protection then I won't be making a legitimate purchase.
> And if I haven't got a legitimate copy, how can I make a backup?
> ......
>
> Now, where wuz that warez URL...........
>
> Cheers!
> Bruce
>
> "Darus" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> .
> .... but I have never bought the "backup copy" excuse.

On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:57:49 +1100, Bruce Kennewell wrote:
> Todd, piracy had stuff-all to do with the demise of the Amiga.
>
> Bruce.
>

I had hoped somebody besides me would point that out. Thanks Bruce ;-)

"They should cane the little brown fscker" is a famous quote by who,
uttered when and where? ;-)

Cheers,

uwe


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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:32:56 GMT, wrote:
> It stopped Word Perfect from continuing to support the amiga and
>

and me ;-) wordperfect was a shabby dos program back then, wasn't it?
Look where it got them ;-)

Cheers, uwe

"Todd Walker" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> ail says...
> > On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:22:48 -0500, JTS > wrote:
> >
> >
> > >It's no big deal.
> >
> > It is to me. I'm sick of these copy protection schemes screwing with
> > people's computers. Starforce is a hidden driver that can be found by
> > looking in device manager and showing hidden devices. It has been
> > reported to screw with Nero cdrom burning software, which I use. To
> > put it bluntly - I'm just sick of these ****tards and their copy
> > protection schemes and they can go **** themselves.
>
> Those "****tards" are only trying to protect their investment and make a
> few bucks for their hard work. If it weren't for people stealing
> software, it wouldn't be necessary. THEY are the real ****tards (I like
> that word.)

Yes, but they DO NOT STOP the theives. Software pirates get around
the protection schemes. They only make life hard for paying customers.

> The crackers are getting more and more clever so the developers have to
> try to keep pace. Do you really think they like having to spend
> development time working on copy protection schemes when they could be
> putting those hours to work on the actual game?
>
> What is it about what they are doing that makes you so angry? Please be
> specific.

See above. They punish the honest users in their utterly futile attempts
to stop piracy.
WS

> _________________________
> Todd Walker
> _________________________

Well after an install msmsgr quit workin,cant update or
reinstall,bootstrap setup error,msiexec.exe errors,so I doubt I'll be
buying it either lol

bernard spilman wrote:
> "Todd Walker" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>In article >,
says...
>>
>>>On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:22:48 -0500, JTS > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>It's no big deal.
>>>
>>>It is to me. I'm sick of these copy protection schemes screwing with
>>>people's computers. Starforce is a hidden driver that can be found by
>>>looking in device manager and showing hidden devices. It has been
>>>reported to screw with Nero cdrom burning software, which I use. To
>>>put it bluntly - I'm just sick of these ****tards and their copy
>>>protection schemes and they can go **** themselves.
>>
>>Those "****tards" are only trying to protect their investment and make a
>>few bucks for their hard work. If it weren't for people stealing
>>software, it wouldn't be necessary. THEY are the real ****tards (I like
>>that word.)
>
>
> Yes, but they DO NOT STOP the theives. Software pirates get around
> the protection schemes. They only make life hard for paying customers.
>
>
>>The crackers are getting more and more clever so the developers have to
>>try to keep pace. Do you really think they like having to spend
>>development time working on copy protection schemes when they could be
>>putting those hours to work on the actual game?
>>
>>What is it about what they are doing that makes you so angry? Please be
>>specific.
>
>
> See above. They punish the honest users in their utterly futile attempts
> to stop piracy.
> WS
>
>
>>_________________________
>>Todd Walker
>>_________________________
>
>
>

"Bruce Kennewell" > wrote in message
...
> The wonderful thing about freedom of choice is just that; the freedom to
> choose.
> Like you, I abhor insidious programs which, whilst protecting copyright,
> "invade" my computer in order to do so.
> So I won't be buying GTR either....not that such a move will bring the
> developer crashing to its knees in a flurry of stock exchange selling
> transactions, but I will be disappointed, as I was looking forward to this
> sim as a possible "replacement" for GPL.
>
> However, what this just might do is to have me looking elsewhere other
> than
> the local retailer for a copy; now how ironic would *that* be?!!
>

From my experience this is just like all the paranoia surrounding FILSCA
ie it's a load of crap - fear of the unknown. I've had GTR for over a month.
Had a few teething probs geting the game to install but this was due to not
having the lastest starforce drivers. No problems since. I'm betting some
goose has stuffed up their system somehow, can't work out how, and has used
starforce as a scapegoat!

"Remco Moedt" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 06:36:24 GMT, Todd Walker >
> wrote:
>
>>So what should the developers do?
>
> Whatever they do, at least don't use something which will sabotage
> other present programs, like Nero. I also remember I tried to update
> my legal copy of Operation Flashpoint, which didn't work. The reason
> was that the update installer found a CD writer on my PC, and just
> stopped updating OF without any message....
>

So what are you saying Remco, that this starforce stuff can interfere
with CD/DVD drives and their software?

"Byron Forbes" wrote:

> From my experience this is just like all the paranoia surrounding FILSCA
> ie it's a load of crap - fear of the unknown. I've had GTR for over a
> month. Had a few teething probs geting the game to install but this was
> due to not having the lastest starforce drivers. No problems since.

The innocent victim though is the non technical or new to PC user who
wouldn't have a clue about downloading drivers. Not everyone will get past
the teething troubles. If it doesn't install out of the box it doesn't work.
The techies and the pirates won't find it a problem. PC compatibility issues
are great enough without adding to them. A danger is a segment of the market
will be driven to the simple to use consoles and that is where the major
development will go.

So you are saying that if GTR (which is hailed by many as the ULTIMATE
SIM TO DATE) doesn't install out of the box, then then the poor noobie
will go to consoles? Good.

Why would such a person even BUY a true sim like GTR, it isn't NFS
(i.e. an arcade racer) where you load the game, set the controls and
then off to the races. If they can't comprehend how to dload patches
and keep their rig up to date, then how is this poor soul going to
handle complex setups for GTR and be able to use MOTEC?