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> wrote in message ... > Not so. It was a Japanese company working in concert with Volvo, > Toyo Togyo, and Toyota. Ford gained full access when they bought > Volvo. Each company licensed each others patents to avoid the > need for cross licensing. The system in the Escape and the > Prius, while based on the same technology, are difference in > application. Search "Automotive News" for the particulars > > > mike hunt > Some background... Toyo Kogyo (not Togyo) was the predecessor to what is known today as Mazda. I do not know about the particulars of Ford access to hybrid technology, but it looks like Ford's interest in Volvo and Mazda would get the the access. Nissan's access to hybrid technology will come from Toyota. -- Ray O correct the return address punctuation to reply > > > SoCalMike wrote: >> >> wrote: >> > GM also has a large piece of Suzuki but they build the cars in >> > the former Daewoo plants in Korea. Ford has a large piece of >> > Mazda but they can not own the company. Ford also had a big piece >> > of the Japanese electrical company that developed the hybrid >> > system for the Escape and the Prius but could not buy the company >> > even though would like to. Toyota bought the company. >> >> i was under the impression toyota designed the system wholly on their >> own, and licensed the technology to ford. |
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Ray O wrote:
> > wrote in message ... > >>Not so. It was a Japanese company working in concert with Volvo, >>Toyo Togyo, and Toyota. Ford gained full access when they bought >>Volvo. Each company licensed each others patents to avoid the >>need for cross licensing. The system in the Escape and the >>Prius, while based on the same technology, are difference in >>application. Search "Automotive News" for the particulars >> >> >>mike hunt >> > > > Some background... Toyo Kogyo (not Togyo) was the predecessor to what is > known today as Mazda. I do not know about the particulars of Ford access to > hybrid technology, but it looks like Ford's interest in Volvo and Mazda > would get the the access. Nissan's access to hybrid technology will come > from Toyota. FWIW, without toyota having the cojones to get out there, USE the system in the prius GenI and report back so it can be improved on, NO ONE would be using it. and as a side note, i remember being behind an escape hybrid on the 5 freeway back from san diego a couple years ago. wouldnt have thunk anything of it, except the blue michigan "manufacturer" plates made it stand out to me. |
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Ford had an Escape hybrid ready for market in April of 2002 but
when they bought Volvo they held it up until the could use the more efficient system they use now. The system used in the current Prius is not the same as used in the previous Prius. Nissan is going to built a 2006 hybrid Altama, in Tennessee, that is more closely related to the Escape than the Prius. Initially Ford dealers where getting over MSRP for the hybrid Escape, like the Prius. Now one can buy a hybrid Escape for under MSRP. I guess Ford buyers where smart enough to know they could buy the more powerful V6 Escape for a lot less than the hybrid and use the savings to buy ALL of their fuel for four years and need not worry about buying a battery pack for $4,000 or so at come point later. mike hunt SoCalMike wrote: > > Ray O wrote: > > > wrote in message ... > > > >>Not so. It was a Japanese company working in concert with Volvo, > >>Toyo Togyo, and Toyota. Ford gained full access when they bought > >>Volvo. Each company licensed each others patents to avoid the > >>need for cross licensing. The system in the Escape and the > >>Prius, while based on the same technology, are difference in > >>application. Search "Automotive News" for the particulars > >> > >> > >>mike hunt > >> > > > > i remember being behind an escape hybrid on the 5 > freeway back from san diego a couple years ago. wouldnt have thunk > anything of it, except the blue michigan "manufacturer" plates made it > stand out to me. |
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